Georgia

[Guest]

bullshit.
wars are made so pawns like you and me have a reason to enpower and enrich kings, bishops and queens.
worrying and trying to understand the reasons we are told will lead us to nowhere, except paranoid behaviour.
we worry about georgia because we are seeing it: a display of power and arsenal. what about other wars that no-one sees ? that the media doesn't cover ?
what about sudan ? ethiopia ?
we are made to belive we should worry. fear them.

 

[restin]

Oh no, Sir, we HAVE to worry. Because these wars influence us. If the NATO tries to get us into a new cold war or even into an atom war, we should be more than worried. Yes, we are made believe something that is not true, that's why we have to look for an see the patterns.

On the other hand you are right: media is hyping conflicts for President Candidature (US!!), drawing attention away from real problems. But that's exactly the reason why we should worry. We needn't worry why Russia "invaded" Georgia, no, we have to look where and why the conflict started.

Anti- Russia, Anti- China propaganda ARE something to be worried of. I don't know where you live, but we as Europeans have to set priorities. Either we support ol' settin' sun US in its desparate try to survive, hold ourselves out or support the East. Why?

In ol' Soviet Union, with the Iron Curtain, we weren't influenced by russian Market. Now we are. America can't give us anything but dept while our whole energy comes from Russia and a lot comes from China.

wars are made so pawns like you and me have a reason to enpower and enrich kings, bishops and queens.

Of course. But the times changed. We were uneducated pawns with scythe and torch. Now we are educated pawns with guns and knowledge and we have the chance to change things (not that the world would be better but it would be more fun).

 

[magickmumu]

Russia sends navel forces to caribbean, for a military excercises

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/ ... 4585.shtml

 

[restin]

I like Chavez He's funny.

Well, nothing surprising after anti-"terrorist" missiles in Poland etc.

 

[Guest]

so, what's your opinion.
i am worried. i get my guns and i hide on my basement.

i live in europe. do you think our prime ministers are better than russian and US ? they don't give a fuck about you or me. they are just waiting for something to come up and then they can give an answer to one side or the other. do you think they will think twice about sending you into a war ?
so worry all you can. organize demonstrations. you can even start a revolution. make yourself a suicide bomber.
denying the fact that the world is as it is it is the main fact that it is as it is. it is the human nature. why doesn't a lemon tree grow oranges ? because it was not supposed to. we are not unnatural. we are born from nature, this is the way we are.
sure, we have critical reason. we even have science and arts, thinkers and builders, and more and more stuff that can give me a very nice hard-on.
but hey, we've had them for the past 2600 years, if not more. what have we accomplished ? better yet: what will change so much that, magically, as you went for a shit this morning, all the world made sense, and you were hugged in the street by nice asian girls who blowed you, you didn't had to work because there was no one to rob you, and you didn't had to be affraid ?
so, worry all you can. go ahead and think that in europe you are protected, if it makes you sleep better at night. the only thing you have here is the distance from deep problems. from people that really suffer. you can write, connect, meet and create ideas. no one, ever, was able to kill or inprision an idea. but, then, what comes after ?

 

[restin]

Oh dear, I am not different from the politicians and the politicians are not different from you. The Romans were right. We all want bread and circuses. The difference is what we play. I only want some fun in my life. Do you think I can change the world? Well, basically we say, Robespierre did. Somehow yes somehow no. He changed the system of noblety and wanted democracy. What came out was terror and then pseudo-democracy. Although I believe that we are free-er. I mean, I can choose if I want to get psychologist, peasant or doctor. But I still can't change the world to any better, because where do I know from that I am better?

So yes, you are right, what I can do is worry. But I have fun watching and playing, just like the protagonist in "the Beach". But what I want is other seeing these patterns and discussing them.

do you think our prime ministers are better than russian and US ?

I didn't say that. I said that they have to choose the role they are playing in the game and now they really have to choose.

but hey, we've had them for the past 2600 years, if not more.

That's SO not true. Individualism was born 200-300 years ago. Earlier on we were all socialists. Like now in the East.

so, worry all you can. go ahead and think that in europe you are protected, if it makes you sleep better at night. the only thing you have here is the distance from deep problems. from people that really suffer. you can write, connect, meet and create ideas. no one, ever, was able to kill or inprision an idea. but, then, what comes after ?

I don't think I am protected...I don't think that those problems are deeper, they are just more open. They are exactly as brachial and brutal but our problems are hiding.

"What comes after?". What do you expect? In a world with 6 billion people? Boy, the times of the Genious are over, there are only masses now. And the mass is strong.

 

[Guest]

i was not speaking about individualism. i was talking about politicians, artists, thinkers, etc, etc. they are as old as we are. this same old story has been around for more than 2600 years. individualism is the product of the french revolution, as it is all the artistic movements that proceeded it. are we free-er ?
tell me, what's the best way to apply censorship ? is it to burn all the books in a big, cozy fire, or is it to surround yourself with all the books that there is, so you get completely lost and give up with information overdose ?
contrary to what we are made to think, knowledge is not everywhere. you can reach that knowledge with more easy-ness, but the proportion of interested people remains the same. in the early days, you joined your local healer and learned from it, then you joined a monastery, and then you went to college and had a big private library. now, it is easier to reach a book, or a movie, or something else. but the censorship methods are much more improved. you don't belive everything you read, because you are made to belive that you should question everything. like the best way in a war is to make the enemy kill one another, if you move the censorship into the head of the one who reads, it simplifies things, doesn't it ?
i don't watch the news. i disbelive of everything that is shown on the news channel, because i know who controls it. but that doesn't make everything a lie. the lie is in my head. should i belive georgia is under attack ? i don't know. does it matter ? i think so, there are innocents getting killed. but they are getting killed everywhere. perhaps even now in my neighbourhood. so, if i cared more about my neighbourhood, things would be safer. if everyone swept their door, the world would be a cleaner place. that's my point.
and the politicians are as good as maggots. never once was a idea put into the machine that had the people in mind.

 

[restin]

I say that we are free-er because if we weren't you couldn't send me this post. You couldn't even think what you do because you wouldn't be educated.

And now we of course can get to a deep philosophical topic. Is censorship bad? What value does truth have? Is it the ultimate goal? Really? Honestly, I am not sure. When I think about all this stuff, it rather makes me depressive than happy, it is easier and happier to take a spliff, a beer, sit in front of the TV and have a nice time. On the other hand, Descartes said that he erased the lies of his life and found and kept truth. Did the knowledge that truth exists make him happier? I don't know. What I know is that most people don't want to know the truth.

But I am not answering your post.

i was not speaking about individualism. i was talking about politicians, artists, thinkers, etc, etc. they are as old as we are. this same old story has been around for more than 2600 years.

Why do you make so large differences between you and the others? Aren't you a thinker? I think you are. Polititians are not that different as we are, they studied just like we did (or went to school) and only separated with ~20 years (you can argue if there is a politician gene if you like ).

tell me, what's the best way to apply censorship ? is it to burn all the books in a big, cozy fire, or is it to surround yourself with all the books that there is, so you get completely lost and give up with information overdose ?

Maybe you are too paranoid, I don't know. :? I always get in doubt when we talk about global censorship/master plans etc. (although I mentioned them in my previous posts). But what I know is that I can get a lot of information about psychology, medicine, more than anywhere in the past.

But where I totally agree with you is in historical documents. It is very obvious that they are not true and facts (or, as I should now say pseudo-facts) e.g. about WWII are already changed after 70 years. But if there is a masterplan I don't know, I think rather about self interest. When Caesar lied in the Bellum Gallicum it wasn't censorship to deceive us but pure self- interest, to look great.

like the best way in a war is to make the enemy kill one another, if you move the censorship into the head of the one who reads, it simplifies things, doesn't it ?

hmm, not believing everything is just sane specticism, isn't it?

i don't watch the news. i disbelive of everything that is shown on the news channel, because i know who controls it.

Neither do I. But still we both know what the Georgia conflict is. It is hard to stay out of the news.

if everyone swept their door, the world would be a cleaner place. that's my point.

Interesting point of view and sometimes I share it (when I am not in a hyper-megalomaniac state of mind ). Some kind of Biedermeier philosophy.

never once was a idea put into the machine that had the people in mind.

Wasn't the original communistic Idea that the people were in the center? That the commonwealth works for the people? (my memory is quite vague now)

But what is true is that basically every system puts the people in center. The theory is often perfect. The problem is the human...human make errors...

 

[magickmumu]

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LA374842.htm

Russian museum displays Georgian war trophies

 

[restin]

It is sad...such actions don't increase insight and trust but spread the same old propaganda :? Such things just don't belong to what you should do.

Tbilisi has said it had to attack to prevent South Ossetian shells from destroying Georgian villages, while Moscow has said it acted to stop Georgia from killing innocent civilians.

Every week a new reason, I guess I will make a calerndar out of it We can argue about a lot of stuff but that's bull-shit.

 

[restin]

Enjoy

 

[GOD]

Sounds interesting . Will watch and comment .

 

[GOD]

Please dont waste my time with crap like that again . Nothing more and nothing less .

The first video said that 2 people were in a cafe as georgian bombs fell .

In the second video gorbachov when asked about the russian ocupation of georgia didnt deny it like you do .

 

[restin]

What I wanted to say with that vid is how the media surpresses first hand info they don't like with interrupting.

 

[GOD]

Yes . True . But then they let them say what they wanted to say .

 

[magickmumu]

http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/news/russia ... 78548.html

 

[Brugmansia]

 

[restin]

In a game of Chess with the Mass of the population to use them as batteries to produce suits we are trying to reproduce ourselves. Did i solve the puzzle?

 

[Brugmansia]

There's only a small tube to put our genes through, with limited sources available to set up an environment for our own chain. So the amount of claimers needs to be reduced. Whether we know it or not, our existance is running on it. There's no way out.

The only thing which we have might over is measuring and dividing our environment. Go figure.

 

[restin]

Sorry, I don't understand the part with the claimers explain.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bdffd9a6-7b71 ... ck_check=1

Another homepage ready to be teared up by GODs rhetorical speeches.