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... I was looking for info about dosage for ibogaine.... especially rootbark...
and I'm extremely surprised nobody has explained so far the differences....
someone says 14 grams had no vision effect on him, someone else a smaller dosage would be dangerous...
when you give a dosage, you have to tell what kind of iboga you're dealing with :
- Tabernanthe Iboga rootbark : purity of total alcaloids not stable, but somewhere between 2% and 6% usually (used by Bwiti tradition, sold by smartshops in Netherland)
- (Indra) Iboga extract : purity between 15 and 20% (usually from Denmark) : contains all the alcaloids from the plant rootbark.
- Ibogaine hydrochlorid (HCl) : 90 to 98% : pure ibogaine alcaloid (but not the other alcaloids)
edit : those 3 varieties can look almost the same : powder generally.
when you read 20 or 30 mg/kg body weight : it refers to Ibogaine HCl
so to get 20mg/kg, a man weighing 70kg should take :
- 1400mg=1.4g Ibogaine HCl (the 'pure' powder)
or :
- 1400 X 100/15 = 9333mg= 9.3 g Indra extract
or:
- 1400 X 100/3 = 46666 = 46,6g rootbark
but this is for a rootbark of 3% purity! And you're not sure about it!
if purity is 5 % : you should take : 1400 X 100/5= 28g
if purity is 2% : 1400 X 100/2= 70g
That's why I was looking for info on dosage for the rootbark : there is an important difference if you don't know the purity ;
If you want to detox from opates : you need 20 to 30 mg/kg usually (more for methadone than for heroin/morphin)
40 mg/kg was tested on rats and was safe ; 100 mg/kg left brain cells damages!
from my reading : there were random casualties : but from high dosages (overdoses when opiates used together with iboga, heart attacks,...) AND sadly from low doses too (even 1.6mg/kg was enough in a case!). Of course this is a minority. Without full scale scientific study, we don't know exactly, this could be a minority of 1% : still a lot of people...
another case : a man treated by addict self help group in Holland :
the guy is known to suffer from hyper-tension ; but he was already treated once (28mg/kg) without problem in the past ; he takes first a small test-dose : problems with his tension occur BUT later, with the full therapeutical dosis, there was no more problem! go figure...
Has anyone experience with rootbark sold from *******.nl?
thanks
EDIT:
-Bwiti healers have a potion (unknown ingredients) if an 'initiation' turns bad ;
ATROPINE (1 to 2mg/kg, max 4 mg/kg) however cures all bad symptoms from an ibogaine intoxication. The best way is to inject it through the vein, so you need someone able to do it.
-don't plan to use ibogaine if you have heart or liver problems
-of course, a clinic is safer
and I'm extremely surprised nobody has explained so far the differences....
someone says 14 grams had no vision effect on him, someone else a smaller dosage would be dangerous...
when you give a dosage, you have to tell what kind of iboga you're dealing with :
- Tabernanthe Iboga rootbark : purity of total alcaloids not stable, but somewhere between 2% and 6% usually (used by Bwiti tradition, sold by smartshops in Netherland)
- (Indra) Iboga extract : purity between 15 and 20% (usually from Denmark) : contains all the alcaloids from the plant rootbark.
- Ibogaine hydrochlorid (HCl) : 90 to 98% : pure ibogaine alcaloid (but not the other alcaloids)
edit : those 3 varieties can look almost the same : powder generally.
when you read 20 or 30 mg/kg body weight : it refers to Ibogaine HCl
so to get 20mg/kg, a man weighing 70kg should take :
- 1400mg=1.4g Ibogaine HCl (the 'pure' powder)
or :
- 1400 X 100/15 = 9333mg= 9.3 g Indra extract
or:
- 1400 X 100/3 = 46666 = 46,6g rootbark
but this is for a rootbark of 3% purity! And you're not sure about it!
if purity is 5 % : you should take : 1400 X 100/5= 28g
if purity is 2% : 1400 X 100/2= 70g
That's why I was looking for info on dosage for the rootbark : there is an important difference if you don't know the purity ;
If you want to detox from opates : you need 20 to 30 mg/kg usually (more for methadone than for heroin/morphin)
40 mg/kg was tested on rats and was safe ; 100 mg/kg left brain cells damages!
from my reading : there were random casualties : but from high dosages (overdoses when opiates used together with iboga, heart attacks,...) AND sadly from low doses too (even 1.6mg/kg was enough in a case!). Of course this is a minority. Without full scale scientific study, we don't know exactly, this could be a minority of 1% : still a lot of people...
another case : a man treated by addict self help group in Holland :
the guy is known to suffer from hyper-tension ; but he was already treated once (28mg/kg) without problem in the past ; he takes first a small test-dose : problems with his tension occur BUT later, with the full therapeutical dosis, there was no more problem! go figure...
Has anyone experience with rootbark sold from *******.nl?
thanks
EDIT:
-Bwiti healers have a potion (unknown ingredients) if an 'initiation' turns bad ;
ATROPINE (1 to 2mg/kg, max 4 mg/kg) however cures all bad symptoms from an ibogaine intoxication. The best way is to inject it through the vein, so you need someone able to do it.
-don't plan to use ibogaine if you have heart or liver problems
-of course, a clinic is safer
