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Tabernanthe Iboga

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wow, this sounds awesome! thank you soleil!
i don't know, though, i've got a problem with those group therapy things. this is like what the teachers did back in school, teaching us how to use formulas without the actual background, the context. all the knowledge in the world means shit without context. but from what you told it doesn't sound all that bad, i think i'd really like to do that too one day. but till then i just stick to read more books and try more hallucinogens all by myself.
 
Well, most of us hadn't taken any hallucinogen... The thing is that when you take plants like Iboga or Ayahuasca, the music and the ceremony lead and control your trip, and is part of the "healing" process.
You also can fly to Gabon and make a ceremony there (but : you have to speak french ; you have to have a lot of money and have a visa, which is quite difficult).

These people know these substances since thousand of years... so I think you learn more with them (but they don't try to convince you of anything or make you believe in anything ; you're still free).
 
Perhaps you can put a experience report in the community here , would be cool !
 
I took 2,5 grams of iboga at 5.15 am yesterday morning because I read something about 20 to 30 hours of tripping. So I wanted to make sure that I will be back again for monday working in my halftimejob. I took the iboga with 3 teespoons of honey because this shit smelled really really ugly! One hour after that I had some strange feelings around my body... felt very light and I had also some problems with standing and moving around. That's why I layed down in bed and waited for something to happen... but nothing I just falled asleep again. Two hours later I ate another 2,5 grams and it took me a lot of self-discipline not to throw up. But everything I got from this was a big headake that lasts for the whole day and another strange bodyfeeling ( not really positiv). that was my whole iboga experience, fuck!
now I'm looking for this ibogain capsules they use in therapy. Does anybody knows where I can buy them? I'm going to start another test around iboga after christmas. Hope there will be more to report that time. Sorry!
 
I never took Iboga, but I think the problem with ingestion is that its not that much active if the uptake is through the stomac, like with Salvia I believe it the uptake was through saliva ? But correct me if I am wrong.

Perpaps making an extract of it will help ?
 
i think 2.5g is not enough to induce any hallucinations. most sources call for 10g but everything seems suspicious to me, i found sources that call for WAY more, some point out that too much could be deadly, so i really dont know. i bought the rootbark powder, it's 10g and im gonna do it some day.
 
Hi every1,
A couple of months ago I tried Iboga powder purchased from Azarius.
First, I took 6g steeped in hot (yet not boiling) water, drinking the water and eating all the the residue afterwards.
I had experienced no psychedelic effects whatsoever.
A few weeks later I took the remaining 14g of powder in the same manner as before.
No visual or other psychedelic effects similar to shrooms, LSD, MJ, etc.
I did feel some strange mood change though. In a way it reminded me the effects of a low dose of Syrian Rue. I felt noticable calmness of thinking process, a kind of grim concentration on inner analysis, etc which is rather difficult to explain in written.
The powder was not tasty but I could give you a hundred and one different substances that taste a LOT worse. All in all, I would say the taste is rather dull-neutral, the only inconvenience is that when hydrated it becomes just a bit difficult to gobble, due to its peculiar "roughness" on the throat I guess. Washing it down with cold water solved the problem completely.
I will definitely try it again in a year or so when in special setting.
The overall impression is of a sleeping mammoth - HIGHLY SPIRITUAL, definitely wise and extremely ancient, neither good nor evil, absolutely different from anything else I've ever tried, bearing some distant kinness to harmala in a way I just cannot explain but the feeling is definitely there.
Maybe, you could get a better idea if you listen to Zaurian Meditations by Karl Sanders - it's the Iboga in music if you get what I mean.
Regarding the dosage I would suggest that you treat it with an utmost respect, even though I had absolutely no visual or mind-bending effects I got a clear pronounced and non-discussible feeling of a tremendously powerful entheogene. It was just deep in sleep but I would think 20 times before I decide to wake it up.
Also, when speaking of the doses pay attention to difference between Iboga root bark powder, powfered root and extracted ibogaine before starting shouting at people and calling them names.
Since you read these lines, 16g do not necessarily kill a man if they are natural substance.
16g of pure extracted ibogaine that is used quite often in psychotherapeutic sessions is obviously a different story.
Anyway, even if it is plain root powder and not pure ibogaine, I would STRONGLY suggest careful building-up of the dose. If you do not plan to literally "break open" your head, that is.
Peace all.
 
I 'broke open my head' 4 times with pure (98%) ibogaine hydrocloride in the purpose of heroin withdrawal ...
I don't feel very inspired today, next time I'll tell you more about it (if you like), I was on very high dosage, one time it was almost too high - it took me a week to recover ...
It's an unearthly drug, the worlds you see with it are unique and typical for ibogaine - for me every time was completely different, but some things are always the same, one could define it as a typical realm of iboga plant teacher ...
The shit is, I repeat - it takes you a long time to recover - as Shulgin says (have you read Pihkal or Tihkal? he also tried ibogaine but not in the trance inducing dose - just a little - but he stil says - like for none of the very many triptamines he tried - 'I don't know if the experience is worth a heavy attack on your central nervous system! NO SLEEP. NO SLEEP AT ALL'
Insomnia is a huge problem after the initiation with ibogaine - one feels very tired, and there's, as Shulgin says 'no sleep AT ALL' for several days - one feels just as if his/her center for sleep has been distorted, one is afraid he's never going to sleep again!!!
But till it lasts, it's unreal - it comes in waves of electricity plus warmth - you feel number and MORE AWARE each time - like you're coming home - and then at some point, when you close your eyes, the visions start to come and go, like on a parade - you can even control them - until you fall into trance ... But many things you do remember after it ...
The next day the 'electricity' is still not gone - you're half awake - in some weird state - and you still get pictures - but it feeld unreal, different - feels real but it's not real, and vice versa ... it's very difficult to decribe it ... One example - the 2nd time I took it, I got voices from some radio station somewhere in America, where people were calling the studio and talking (it was a kind of a late night show) about Salvia Divnorum ... Each piece of my pillow was a different voice ... I heard them in my head!
The 3rd time I took it I was sure I spent some time in my friend's home, and it was strange because I was sure she lives elsewhere ... later on it turned out it was only a vision, I was never at her place, she doesn't even live there where I 'put her' ...
The 4rth time I dragged the spaceship from Kubrick's Odyssey 2001 all around the bed, it was somehow in my head ...
The 1st time I had visions of my junkie friend and his gray face and his wounds rotting and falling apart ...
THESE VISIONS I MENTIONED CAME ONLY AFTER THE TRANCE
Later on I realized that in the after-trance state you come under the influence of the things you did or did think about BEFORE the initiation.
But during the trance I saw the most marvellous things I think I'll ever see in my life ... Maybe with ayahuasca ... I don't know, I still have/want to try it ...
For example, the vision of the magic forest on my second ibogaine session was the most wonderful vision, combined with most ecstatic and paradise-like feeling I have ever experienced! It was an autumn forest of gigantic trees with mild unearthly light raying through the branches. I was there with the man I love (I don't know who that might be) and my two children. As we moved through the forest, every breath and every leaf of grass or branch I touched, was filling me with ecstasy. I was breathing in and out and almost cumming ... Not 'almost', every breath in and out was a psychic and bodily orgasm, I never felt anything similar - I was in heaven! I gave my children some fruit I picked from a tree, and as they sucked on the juicy fruit, I felt ecstasy with their each movement - like the fruit, and the leaves, and everything about this forest was HEALING, the healing powewr of nature!!! And it brought me to ecstasy, it made me feel like no ecstasy pill could ever make me ...
Wow!
I'm still looking for this forest, only when I find it I'll be satisfied ... that will mean I have found paradise, somewhere on Earth maybe ...???
 
hey ramona can you tell me please where I can buy this pure ibogaine stuff?
I still want to have this experience.
 
Thanxx Shneck :oops: !
Nomi - I wouldn't recommend taking pure ibogaine on your own - maybe you too can make a nice trip to Slovenia - as I did the first two times (the other two M. sent me ibogaine in a letter) .... may be you take it as a spiritual holiday ...
Ibogaine is very very expensive - depending on your body weight, the initiation can cost you from 500 to a 1000 euro - but in Slovenia, at the source I was (this guy is the biggest distributor for whole Europe - of pure ibogaine HCl - in Denmark they have the Indra extract - which is the rootbark extract - not the pure rootbark and not the pure ibogaine) they have the real stuff - beware of the cheaters - there are very many!!!
If you want, send me a pm, I can connect you to M in Slovenia. But, I repeat - unless you're a heroin addict, or have psychic problems based on repressed feelings (where ibogaine can help you get them out and analyze them on a silver platter), I wouldn't recommend it!
You have to know what you're dealing with - if you can't cope with insomnia and the state of utter weakness afterwards, I wouldn't recommend it, no - better try ayahuasca or peyote ...
XXs, merry Xmas and a happy New 2006. to all you psychonauts ...
May you soar on your vivid dreams in pure ecstasy of love !!!
x
x
Ramona
 
Im very interested of trying it, byt some questions I have..

Is it true that the plant is already very rare, becauise of many people taking it from it's natural habitat and nobody cultivating it?
Is it posible to grow it from seed in a greenhouse?
Is somebody truing to save this unique plant from extintion??
 
This is my first post on this forum. I started to read this forum about a week ago when I received my 20g of Iboga root bark from Azarius and wanted to find some experiences and guides on dosage.

First thing that comes into my mind from this topic is that you shouldn't be so hostile when correcting people and when checking something from internet you should find multiple sources. Let's make this a smart community, right?

systemdoll what did you mean by IMAO? Perhaps MAO-I? which I think iboga/ibogaine is not.

patilan420 I think it is not impossible to grow Iboga in greenhouse but I think it's not going to be too easy. I suppose it has to be quite big to have big enough roots to make the growing worthwhile. You get the idea what Tabernanthe iboga is like from Wikipedia
I think Voacanga africana would be better for home grower since you can eat the seeds. Though it won't help Iboga from extinction.

About the dosage. I have read that the root bark of Tabernanthe iboga contains 5% of Ibogaine. Only evidence I could find in english. So 5g of Iboga root bark would mean 250mg of Ibogaine and 20g of Iboga root bark would mean 1000mg of Ibogaine. Now this doesn't sound so deadly after reading TIHKAL
Of course you should always be careful and start with low doses since every individual reacts differently to every chemical.
I think it's possible that natives take these huge doses but I think they do it during several days of seremony. I think it's also smart to take your iboga little by little, not 20g in one gulp. "it has to be said that there is simply a flat risk that you will die if you take a significant dose of ibogaine (15mg/kilo or above), possibly of the order of a one in a hundred chance."
You can download a bunch of psycedelic documentary from here. One of them is a episode of BBC TV Series "Tribe" where explorer Bruce Parry spend a month living amongst the Babongo and got initiated.

Anyways I hope this was informative. I'm taking my first 5g tomorrow with African Rooibos tee and a sitter to see me through it.
 
Just a minor remark: Ibogaine IS an MAOI (Gershon and Lang (1962).
So, diet might need to be given some thought.

Good luck, Ahab, and have a smooth travel!
 
Shneck a dit:
Just a minor remark: Ibogaine IS an MAOI (Gershon and Lang (1962).

Thanks. Got any link for that? 5g didn't do me much. Not even that stimulant effects. I had a light died and hadn't eaten for six hours when I took iboga. Had some probles getting sleep. So it's 10g next time.
 
nomi1000 a dit:
I took 2,5 grams of iboga at 5.15 am yesterday morning because I read something about 20 to 30 hours of tripping. So I wanted to make sure that I will be back again for monday working in my halftimejob. I took the iboga with 3 teespoons of honey because this shit smelled really really ugly! One hour after that I had some strange feelings around my body... felt very light and I had also some problems with standing and moving around. That's why I layed down in bed and waited for something to happen... but nothing I just falled asleep again. Two hours later I ate another 2,5 grams and it took me a lot of self-discipline not to throw up. But everything I got from this was a big headake that lasts for the whole day and another strange bodyfeeling ( not really positiv). that was my whole iboga experience, fuck!
now I'm looking for this ibogain capsules they use in therapy. Does anybody knows where I can buy them? I'm going to start another test around iboga after christmas. Hope there will be more to report that time. Sorry!


I bought Iboga capsules at iboga.nl
I just started, this is my 4th day.
So far no remarks....
Cathie.
 
first, hello to everyone :)

I have just registered on the forum...
 
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