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[IJesusChrist]

I just don't see how a man or woman who has been relatively sober their entire life can help with a person of schizophrenia. That's like having a guide for mt.everest who has never left his house.

So the job of psychiatrist should be given to schizos and suiciders? Fine. A doc that makes a heart OP doesn't need having had one as well, a judge that judges a murderer doesn't need to commit a crime. Do you think noone was helped with a psychiatrist? WRONG. If a person dies on the bed of a surgeon, shall we eliminate medicine?

Your comparing the mind to the heart?
The mind can make 1x10^(million) connections... Each one is a memory, or a feeling, or a bit of information or more.
You cannot compare psycho-psychiatry with heart surgery, those guys have it easy, they know how the heart works.

A neurologist comes in with medicine, and the psychologist comes in with books.
The medicine sometimes works, and the books sometimes work, until you get to schizophrenia, in which case they tranqualize you, and give up essentially.

Sure there are a few people out there that do help - rarely. But still, do you believe the ones that actually do help have never been there?

A sober psychologist will NOT help with schizophrenia.

 

[Vlad]

not those of the 'doctors'. Before you recommend them, show me that psychiatrists 'cure' these 'diseases'.

They do not cure. That's not their job. Their job is to help you to cure by yourself or in the worst case, to accept a certain level of disease helped by neuroleptics (when they help). And yes, drugs are dangerous and have side effects. But feeling very bad also :?

Maybe you know of the chakras.
I have had many if not most of my problems with something like energy vortexes I could feel at the heart, throat, and forehead, locations associated with the chakras. I'm not saying my problem is chakra related, but it could be. In hindsight I find it strange. I did think of it before but never really deeply. I'm still not convinced or rather can think of experiences I had that can convince me it's connected but bizarrely the locations of the problems match the chakra locations.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Vlad, if you want to believe in these things, they will forever be with you most likely.

If you don't want to see them, theres a way.

You choose, both of them are as real as anything else.

 

[restin]

oh c'mon, stop spreading propaganda.

 

[IJesusChrist]

oh c'mon, stop spreading propaganda.

Thanks for the useful posts in here.

 

[Vlad]

Vlad, if you want to believe in these things, they will forever be with you most likely.

If you don't want to see them, theres a way.

You choose, both of them are as real as anything else.

If I believe, they go away. They want me to believe. They made fun of it in fact.
If you believe, they seem to go away.

If you DON'T believe but sceptically want to observe and know the truth, they don't leave. You have to lock them out, hide yourself, in mind, it seems.

 

[maxfreakout]

So the job of psychiatrist should be given to schizos and suiciders?

yes, but RECOVERED schizos and suicide-attempters (especially recovered schizos)

they are in a perfect position to be psychiatrists. Shamans have been commonly characterised as 'recovered schizophrenics', the person who has been to the dark side of mental disintegration and lived to tell the tale, is the archetypal shaman/mind-doctor

Fine. A doc that makes a heart OP doesn't need having had one as well, a judge that judges a murderer doesn't need to commit a crime.

mental illness is a VERY different kind of thing from physical illness, the way to understand how the mind works and how to fix it, is to see firsthand how it all fits together, and this is exactly what mental disintegration/psychosis/schizophrenia does, it shows how the mind fits together (well the other way round, it shows how the mind falls apart)

Do you think noone was helped with a psychiatrist? WRONG.

that is very debatable, it hinges on what you mean by the word 'helped'. Psychiatrists fuck up way more people than they 'help'

and an important point is, that it isnt really the psychiatrist who actually does anything to 'help' (or not help, as the case may be) rather it is the poisonous drugs they prescribe that do all the 'helping'

a psychiatrist doesnt look inside the brain like a heart surgeon looks inside the heart, all they do is deal drugs that are manufactured by massive pharmaceutical companies

 

[phatass]

if you think "electronic jews" :shock: :shock: :shock: are controling your mind i'd say you were anti-semitic for a start... delusional, and maybe schizophrenic, and no schizophrenia is not a made up disease... and most psychiatrists are faaaaaaar more intelligent than you are.... so get off your high horse, and accept you have a serious problem, which you're trying to blame on others, "it's the fault of the risperidone", thats a typical sign of male depression for starters... you should have a good look at yourself and seek some sort of help... if you believe psychiatrists are just drug pushers, go and see a psychologist instead... (this goes for a lot of people who winge about psychiatrists being drug pushers, the drugs are only a tiny portion of the mental "healing" process, its all about the therapy, and thats what will help you come to terms with the way you are)

 

[Vlad]

"it's the fault of the risperidone"

I didn't have most problems before they injected me with that.
I rather help myself than be 'helped' by others. I got myself out of the mess I got in so far. I didn't want help, I was forced 'help' that made it worse. Preach somewhere else.

 

[Maru]

I could feel at the heart, throat, and forehead, locations associated with the chakras

Everybody can. So am I. But there are no chakras... unless I decide to believe about chakras. Why should I start believing about chakras ? Because theses are parts of pleasant mythologies that make the life easier... until you see that theses are mythologies. Then you'll have to go deeper in/about yourself. That's really not confortable and it may takes a while. But you'll see what IjesusChrist says, that you choose to believe about all that. Ask the good questions to yourself.

 

[Vlad]

its all about the therapy,

HAHAHA

Have you ever been to their 'therapy'? What a crock of shit. What a joke. Do a bit of drawing there. A bit of painting. A bit of talking (psychology). A bit of sports. THAT'S IT. And they lock you up for weeks on end for that 'therapy'. You barely see the doctor too. 10 minutes a week tops. Bullshit. Don't go on defending psychiatry. It's a pseudoscience. Therapy is such a load of shit and so are their medicines and I can talk about it because I had REAL PROBLEMS and NOTHING AND NONE was there to help and I was locked up for nearly a year for that stupid 'therapy' and the 'meds'. The ONLY thing the doctor could do was 'prescribe meds'. I got myself out by doing what 'felt right' and hey you know what? They call that being schizophrenic, wanting to do what 'feels right'. BUT IT HELPED AND WORKED. So much for advice from psychiatrists.

 

[Maru]

maxfreakout,

Psychiatrists fuck up way more people than they 'help'

Not my personal experience. But maybe french psys are better

You barely see the doctor too. 10 minutes a week tops. Bullshit.

Indeed. 2 hours/week is a minimum for serious problem.

 

[Vlad]

I could feel at the heart, throat, and forehead, locations associated with the chakras

Everybody can. So am I. But there are no chakras... unless I decide to believe about chakras. Why should I start believing about chakras ? Because theses are parts of pleasant mythologies that make the life easier... until you see that theses are mythologies. Then you'll have to go deeper in/about yourself. That's really not confortable and it may takes a while. But you'll see what IjesusChrist says, that you choose to believe about all that. Ask the good questions to yourself.

No I don't believe in the chakras. I'm just saying I felt energy, many times, at places associatede with the locations of the chakras. Coincidental maybe.

 

[GOD]

Well said Maru . These people are just people with serious menatal problems and are in denyal . They would rather doubt and belittle doctors and sciemntists than be honest with themselves .

 

[phatass]

i've been seeing a psychologist and an addiction specialist for 2 years every week 1 hour each, for free... and its helped me with my depression/insomnia hugely... i also take meds, but what has helped the most is the therapy... but seriously dude, you're a douche

 

[spice]

Here's the thing, Vlad; I think you are projecting. Why would super-intelligent aliens refer to themselves as electronic jews? This seems to have a somewhat derogatory stereotypical implication that only a certain type of non-alien would be able to clearly percieve.....it clearly bears the stamp of a human mind, to me, at least.

What I said earlier about being honest with yourself was in reference to that.....
do you have any of these types of prejudices? I don't care personally, but I think you owe it to yourself to tell the truth, after all, it's your understanding that you're after here.

Everybody has a multifaceted psyche, we are all composites of many different impulses, mosiacs of multiple influences gained through the process of life, and our evolution as an organism. I think you have just lost your gyroscope, as pertains to 'which voices' you listen to.

There is no 'proof' in these areas, only inferences. When you are talking about things that cannot be measured with scientific instruments it is useless to dwell on the lack of proof.

Again, I think these are paranoid projections, caused by a weakened ego, and powerful psychedelic experiences.

In 'The Center of the Cyclone', John Lilly talks about these types of episodes, and even briefly talks about his own experience.

I wouldn't go near any psychedelics until this is resolved, one way or another, but I do tend to subscribe to the school of thought that these entities derive their power through the intensity of your 'belief' in them as external forces.

 

[user_1919]

" I don't mean to scare anyone off, but these are bizarre dimensions of extraordinary power and beauty. People should be very careful"--Terence Mckenna

peace & love

 

[Vlad]

When I got released from the ward I took mushrooms.
I had a breath problem, like I described, like my breath regularly fails and gasps.
When I was on the mushrooms, my breath felt normal.
Then I heard a phrase from Lily Allen's song "The Fear" (she says: I'm packing plastic, and that's what makes my life so fucking fantastic)
While I heard these electric beings say "so fucking fantastic" in my mind, like taken from the song but in their voice (they have a specific voice), I saw them in my mind inject an energy needle into my brain, and with it, immediatelly I felt during the trip my breath constrict and like gasp for air, just like I had when off the mushrooms, and from that point onward, I had it during a trip too.

Weird if you ask me. (Not 'so fucking fantastic', these things have a sense of humour)

 

[maxfreakout]

they are "somewhat cruel and boisterous" - Terence Mckenna

 

[spice]

It's just externalized projections of the secret self, guys.

That doesn't detract from the mysteriousness, in my opinion it adds to it.


Terence also said that ufo's are the externalization of the soul, if you're trotting out Terence quotes.....


The real question becomes what it has always been; what are the true dimensions of the self? How deep do you have to go to get to it all?

No one knows.