A stupid one, but still wanna know your opinion
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Justin , all the diferent drug plant and DMT extractions are basicaly the same , they are either water extractions ending with a drinkable liquid or a dried / greasy extract , alcohol or benzine extractions ending in tinctures , tars and oils , or they are an acid / base or base / acid extraction ending in bases or salts .
If you want to know anything specific about extractions or drugs ask and i might be able to give you web adresses where you can download teks .
Asking Phalaris and /or Spice is a very good way to get very good , understandable information about extractions and chemistry .
If you want to know anything specific about extractions or drugs ask and i might be able to give you web adresses where you can download teks .
Asking Phalaris and /or Spice is a very good way to get very good , understandable information about extractions and chemistry .
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I now feel a fool. I open each thread in a different tab and meant that reply to, an extraction that user_1919 posted although now I can't find it! I can't wait till my balls drop far enough to try some DMT.
Anyways, good luck and let us know how it works out, I would suggest the extraction because if nothing else, what is cooler than 'making' the item that is about to give you an experience of a life time? Just MHO.
Anyways, good luck and let us know how it works out, I would suggest the extraction because if nothing else, what is cooler than 'making' the item that is about to give you an experience of a life time? Just MHO.
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"but I have a very hard time obtaining NaOH"
Its sold as drain cleaner at your local building market . Try looking at "drain ex" here :-
http://www.mellerud.de/index.php4?selec ... ANGUAGE=EN
Its sold as drain cleaner at your local building market . Try looking at "drain ex" here :-
http://www.mellerud.de/index.php4?selec ... ANGUAGE=EN
I live in Canada, and the only product I found to contain NaOH was lye, and I went to the hardware store and they said lye was banned and they now use a different cleaner...that does not contain NaOH
But I will look for that "drain-ex" next time I'm at a hardware store. Thanks GOD.
But I will look for that "drain-ex" next time I'm at a hardware store. Thanks GOD.
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In big building markets you can have a good look around without having to ask questions , Drain cleaners are often either strong acids = liquid or Alkaline crystals . You will have to read the packaging to see what it is . If it contains a strong chemical it should have an explicit warning on it . Litmus paper will indicate if its acid or alkaline .
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Gramine is also called donaxine: ( 3-dimethylaminomethylindole ) It is a vasorelaxing indole alkaloid acting on 5-HT(2A) receptor . I have read about it in several articles about DMT extracts from Phalaris grass where it was said to be very toxic . I think that one place was in "The entheogen revue" . Christian Rätsch also says that in his book "The encyclopedea of psychoactive drugs" on page 433 . A.Shulgin says in Tihkal on page 418 that the humanpharmacology is unknown . In other places in the internet it is said to be palatable . In other places it says that it is contained in grasses and is concidered to make it unpalatable .
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Ok lets reiterate what the topic was about:
Making a smokable DMT extract by drying the juice of phalaris (aquatica etc) grass. The juice is obtained by making use of a wheat grass juicer.
This was referred to in a small comment at the bottom of
this page. That comment was referring to The Entheogen Review by DeKorne.
Google finds some interesting discussions on other forums about the same topic, for example here.
Supposedly the whole point of using a wheat juicer on the fresh grass is that it already yields a concentrated solution of DMT while it contains much less fatty cruds like chlorophile and phospholipids. (normally the lipids are released into solution by cooking the grass, braking up the cell walls completely.)
If the dried grass juice is smokable already, then it is also orally active in combination with an MAO inhibitor. Dried material is easier (and safer!) to dose orally. But the juice grass supposed to be concentrated enough to be active by taking only a spoon full as well. That is what they are talking about.
What I find more interesting is the possibility of taking the wheat juiced phlararis grass juice and use that as a starting point for a 'normal' acid base extraction. Acid base extractions are quite easy as long as no nasty emulsions are forming.
If that is too much trouble and if the dried juice indeed produces a smokable product, then at least mix in some baking soda (not NaOH) to make it basic while it is still in solution to release any DMT salts into the free base form.
So, my question to you guys:
Does anyone have a wheat grass juicer and is willing to experiment a bit
?
Spring is due, sow those seeds !
About mimosa: Yes, it should be possible to smoke a crude extract from it. (again, mix in baking soda). But getting enough DMT into your longs is hard enough as it is, and you'll waste most of the rootbark by doing such a half assed extraction.
Just decide: take the DMT in an ayahuasca analogue form and be happy with the bulky plant material, or go all the way for an extraction. Both option are fine, just pick one. Don't waste money, time, energy and frustration on a crude mimosa extracton.
It'll be like making out with a beatifull girl, and you get to the point when both of you have taken off all of your cloths and .. then.. she suddenly decides to leave. Just like that.
Unsatisfied
Unfinished
Feel like shit
Making a smokable DMT extract by drying the juice of phalaris (aquatica etc) grass. The juice is obtained by making use of a wheat grass juicer.
This was referred to in a small comment at the bottom of
this page. That comment was referring to The Entheogen Review by DeKorne.
Google finds some interesting discussions on other forums about the same topic, for example here.
Supposedly the whole point of using a wheat juicer on the fresh grass is that it already yields a concentrated solution of DMT while it contains much less fatty cruds like chlorophile and phospholipids. (normally the lipids are released into solution by cooking the grass, braking up the cell walls completely.)
If the dried grass juice is smokable already, then it is also orally active in combination with an MAO inhibitor. Dried material is easier (and safer!) to dose orally. But the juice grass supposed to be concentrated enough to be active by taking only a spoon full as well. That is what they are talking about.
What I find more interesting is the possibility of taking the wheat juiced phlararis grass juice and use that as a starting point for a 'normal' acid base extraction. Acid base extractions are quite easy as long as no nasty emulsions are forming.
If that is too much trouble and if the dried juice indeed produces a smokable product, then at least mix in some baking soda (not NaOH) to make it basic while it is still in solution to release any DMT salts into the free base form.
So, my question to you guys:
Does anyone have a wheat grass juicer and is willing to experiment a bit
?Spring is due, sow those seeds !
About mimosa: Yes, it should be possible to smoke a crude extract from it. (again, mix in baking soda). But getting enough DMT into your longs is hard enough as it is, and you'll waste most of the rootbark by doing such a half assed extraction.
Just decide: take the DMT in an ayahuasca analogue form and be happy with the bulky plant material, or go all the way for an extraction. Both option are fine, just pick one. Don't waste money, time, energy and frustration on a crude mimosa extracton.
It'll be like making out with a beatifull girl, and you get to the point when both of you have taken off all of your cloths and .. then.. she suddenly decides to leave. Just like that.
Unsatisfied
Unfinished
Feel like shit
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phalaris a dit:
Whahahaha, good one!
:wink:ooookay, I had prepared the solution, filtered it many times using the let-stay-in-the fridge method, and now I'm left with about 0,7L of transparent, goldish liquid. Damn, it doesn't even taste bad 
So the question is- how can I evaporate the water completely? If I boil it down to a small volume, spill it over a wide plate or something, and expose to the room temperature, it could become moldy I'm afraid...
your suggestions, please :idea:
So the question is- how can I evaporate the water completely? If I boil it down to a small volume, spill it over a wide plate or something, and expose to the room temperature, it could become moldy I'm afraid...
your suggestions, please :idea:
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Entheonaut a dit:phalaris a dit:
Whahahaha, good one!
lol that happened to me a week ago...
but well i forgave her because the day after we continued where we stopped. I would recommond boiling it down to a very small amount, so small that you cannot boil it anymore because there isn't enough liquid, and then spread onto a dish so it is spread out in a thin layer. This will minimuize the chance for mold because the boiling will remove most of the water.
Good luck, PEACE
Good luck, PEACE
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a little offtopic, but this idea came up...can't we do this with sinicuichi ? boiling into tea and letting it evaporate ?
but this way you will get so many impurities! from what i've read, dmt extraction is really simple and inexpensive, and i think it can be done in less than a week.
anyway...good luck and please report!
but this way you will get so many impurities! from what i've read, dmt extraction is really simple and inexpensive, and i think it can be done in less than a week.
anyway...good luck and please report!
