Who on here actually likes Cocaine?

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I don't agrea with cocaine not belonging in this forum.
After a pretty high dose and a joint I had the best lucid dreams ever.
The effects, for me, appear to depend on the setting, the music, the people around me. Just like any other drug.

I see cocaine as a great drug, but handle with care. Too bad its so terribly expensive.
On the other hand. If it were cheaper, I'd use it more en who knows what that may lead to.

 

[ProStoner]

True.

Alcohol and cocaine are a very good combination. When yer snorting cocaine, you can keep on drinking without feeling the effects of the alcohol, but the feeling of the cocaine becomes better and better.

Say what Dev ????

lol this is just about the worst combination of drugs u could possibly imagine..
and if u do it 2 much .. u will prolly land in the hospital faster then u can blink ur eyes....
and I know a lot of people do it .. and think its great
but its really really stupid

 

[Djones]

Djones, smoking the cocaine you buy from a dealer is a waste to smoke. You need to basify the cocaine before you can effectively smoke it.

What's Basify and how would you Basify Coke?

Basify: turn basic and less acidic; "the solution alkalized"???

 

[Brugmansia]

Standard Cocaine is not suitable for smoking, this is due to the temprature when it melts. So if you gonna smoke snort-cocaine as in a joint, literally 90% will vanish as smoke. The other very small part reaches the lungs, and produces a high stronger and shorter than just snorting. But in no way comparable with crack or basecocaine.

'Cooked coke' allows you to get all the smoked coke in your lungs and not wasting any as you do with a 'plofje'. This procudes a very powerful high, starting with a flash of 20 seconds, followed by a strong effect that doesn't last longer than 3 minutes, quite often it has weared off within a minute. Your lungs will have the worst nightmare. :s

You can basify coke with ammonia and a sort of a salt, with ammonia you get crack, with the salt basecoke. ( http://www.mainline.nl/ )

When buying it 'cooked' from your dealer, you get mixed up shit, so better doing this procedure yourself.

 

[spice]

Terrence Mckenna classifies cocaine (along with meth, heroin, nicotine and alcohol) as 'Dominator Drugs'. This is his term for drugs w/ no psychedelic value, for drugs whose REAL hallmark is addiction, plain and simple. I didn't say 'habit forming' or 'problematic'.

The reason he uses this term is that historically, dominant cultural empires use these substances to build an economic base, while enslaving the populace and essentially forcing them to feed money to the powers that be.

Coke is the opposite of a psychedelic. It's not a benign substance.

I find that generally, I don't like people who use this substance regularly. It is ego-gratifying, egotistical, and it narrows, if anything, your awareness.

It's one drug which we'd all be better without, sad to say.

 

[spice]

...further, a modern example of what I am talking about is the crack cocaine
'phenomenon' in the US. A reporter for a newspaper in California (San Jose Mervury) won a Pulitzer Prize in journalism years ago for doing a detailed expose of how the Reagan/Bush admin. effectively CREATED the entire problem of crack cocaine as a national problem.

Why?

Because Ronald Reagan had been denied funds( by congress) to interfere in a foriegn countrys civil war (nicaragua) and needed a way to go around congressional authority.

The money they got was used to buy weapons and destroy the sitting governmaent in nicaragua. This was the famed Iran-Contra hearings in the 80s.

A very clear example of dominator drugs and the application thereof.

I used to have a friend whose motto was 'a drug is a drug is a drug' she made no distinction between them. She called me a drug snob because I was only into psychedelics. I thought she was being simpleminded and an ostrich.
It doesn't require a world class intellect to understand that some drugs posess a negative vibe.

A slave to the dope man is still a slave.

 

[Gilligan]

Cocaine turns humans into addicts, at which point they are no longer human by the simplest definition of humanity. Cocaine is an abhorrent substance, without which the world would be an infinitely better place.

That said, I used to do it whenever I could get my degenerate nose over it But those days are over. I've realized that most people who do cocaine would never have touched it to begin with if it didn't cost $50/gram. It's entirely a status trip.

 

[Nirvanana]

How amazing people have ready-made opinions on things, without having experienced it even of a bit ! Many are saying here : it is no good, proof : I never take it... Stupid.

I've been much on coke those last monthes, and would not deny having been fascinated... Such a strange world, white, cold, some kind of psychozis...

But to really go to this point, I took heavy quantities, not A gram, but 2, 3, 5, 15... Till I went into a continuous nightmare, which really turned into true and uncontrolable nightmares the worst I ever had... Till wersterday... Where I decided to stop definitely, since coke at such point becomes a painful conscious crude light, enlighting the worst fears man can have in this life, including the one of the death... To me, coke showed how could look like the Door of the Death, if not the Death Land itself, out of any hallucination, just by goming into this beside-life strange feeling (no-feeling would be smarter), and this is an outstanding experience, althought frightening to a point that I stopped...

I am much older than you guys, and wanted to share my experience because I think this is the very purpose of such a forum, experienced to tell to un- expreinced and vice-versa... Starting to smoke hash at 14, then LSD, shrooms, opiates... Now I am 50, took those many substances and can just but testify that if this was sometimes hard (bads, addictions, aso...), at least it also kept my mind adventurous, curious, and moreover, humble with its fragile certitudes, that a flower can blow up...

What I can guarantee, is that it does not affect health if kept a minimum under control, and even, in my opinion and according with the youngs I met in relation with"drug", it might very well keep one's YOUTH alive... Drugs can also just kill you, all depends on your use and of the care you have of your own health, and, believe me, above all, of your honest right to have pleasure/fun - what else would life be good at, tell me !!!

Do not disregard any practice becuase it is not yours, it is not, YET, but could be sometimes, or have been, or just might and this is enough to try to share - sharing being the final interest of the whole exercice, isnt't it ?

Coke is not bad in itself, Indians used it for ages in a harmless way... Our use can make it bad - as, according with Epictete, our opinions do when facts on their own don't...

Cheers everybody !

 

[spice]

nirvananana- actually, the indians used coca, which is the source of cocaine,yes, but to my knowledge no pretechnological indians ever developed the techniques of organic extraction, purification, and crystallization that make coca into cocaine.

Coca does not even posess the same effects profile as cocaine. Terence says that the evil nature of cocaine is not inherent in the chemical per se, but in the fact that when purified and concentrated, it renders users into addicts at a
much higher rate than coca itself.

...and this is all quite simple, it's the addictive nature of the substance which is why everyone is so down on it, and we create this nature w/ chemistry. It's very similar w/ opium and heroin.

Sometimes you can infer enough information about a substance without having to waste years of your life being enslaved, in order to generate an opinion....and anything physically addictive is utter garbage and an enslavement device used to extract money from it's victims.

 

[Nirvanana]

nirvananana- actually, the indians used coca, which is the source of cocaine,yes, but to my knowledge no pretechnological indians ever developed the techniques of organic extraction, purification, and crystallization that make coca into cocaine.

Coca does not even posess the same effects profile as cocaine. Terence says that the evil nature of cocaine is not inherent in the chemical per se, but in the fact that when purified and concentrated, it renders users into addicts at a
much higher rate than coca itself..

This is obvious and unquestionable to me, I agree, but had to be pointed out in the present subject as far as "coca culture" seemed (to me) to be treated as one and unique question.

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...and this is all quite simple, it's the addictive nature of the substance which is why everyone is so down on it, and we create this nature w/ chemistry. It's very similar w/ opium and heroin..

On this point, I would testify that, being aware that cocaine is NOT addictive in itself, counter to opiates who ARE, I never suffered craving as commonly known, but obsession to find some. This is quite different, as I did not suffer any of the usual physical reaction from opiate's craving for example, nor of other physical effects at all. And, when freed from the obsession, you just don't think about it anymore. This is, at least, MY experience.

Sometimes you can infer enough information about a substance without having to waste years of your life being enslaved, in order to generate an opinion....and anything physically addictive is utter garbage and an enslavement device used to extract money from it's victims.

Yes, this is not specific to coke, but to any addiction.

However, my psy used to state : "anyone has his own addiction", similar to "we all have our nevrosis"... Just to warn not to limit "addiction" to products whatever they are, even more to cocaine. Addiction as an automated way of being bound to, is everywhere, and most probably, necessary to life in some way...

But yes, definitely, addiciton to products / habits, every compulsive necessity means less freedom, less room for creativity, but can be, sometimes, as for me, a command resulting from a / several primitive trauma that are not, and will never ever totally be under control, but that we need to cope with to remain guided by the bright sides of life's appeal, love, peace, pleasure, "plénitude"... better than its sad ones, and which -hopefully- enable to master it, more or less, sooner or later ...

 

[spice]

Cocaine addiction doesn't work along the same neurochemical lines as opiate addiction. Maybe you didn't feel the same signature symptoms as w/ opiates, but to me, this is just another facet of addiction per se.

The 'obsession to find more' which is what you said felt is addiction whispering in your ear. Just because this obsession wasn't accompanied by aches, cramps, heat flashes, etc. (opiate withdrawal 'classic' symptomology) don't be fooled.
It's another mask.

Yes, your psy was correct. We do all have our own custom addictions.
But this speaks more to the emotional underpinnings of addiction itself, rather than the nature of it.

 

[Nirvanana]

Cocaine addiction doesn't work along the same neurochemical lines as opiate addiction. Maybe you didn't feel the same signature symptoms as w/ opiates, but to me, this is just another facet of addiction per se.

The 'obsession to find more' which is what you said felt is addiction whispering in your ear. Just because this obsession wasn't accompanied by aches, cramps, heat flashes, etc. (opiate withdrawal 'classic' symptomology) don't be fooled.
It's another mask.

Yes, your psy was correct. We do all have our own custom addictions.
But this speaks more to the emotional underpinnings of addiction itself, rather than the nature of it.

You are absolutely right.

Anyway, I quit, as stated above, and WONT do it again, as, in fine, coke was more painful than pleasant, for so many reasons.

Though this is not my main concern, one of them was money, as this addiction, like addictive games for example, is so damn expensive that it would have probably ruined my - and, more of all, my ones' - economy down. I even stole money from my mother when in the culmination of this "damnation".

If only all what I / we suffered could be useful and help others not to suffer the same, all what I wrote here during these last months, relating the crazyness of my addiction when arguing FOR it, and the difficulty to escape of such a helly experience, if only one being would be prevented to do coke and/or a,y addictive "hard" drugs thanks (even partly) to my / our comments, I would be plenty happy.

I found here sometimes comments, such as yours buddy, which I felt very well trying to take me out of my "obsession", and probably, somewhere in my mind, it helped to jump out when time went over.

So, also, I thank here any of you who pointed out - sometimes harshly, but who cares ? - my sad insanity when arguing for coke.

Drugs remain a fascinating subject, it exists so it is up to us to do what we think is correct with it, for sure it provoke alien thinkings, but for sure also, it cas be destructive... As Poison, as medicine, they have this pecular faculty to cure as well as they kill... So being carefull is never enough, my last advice in this would be : do never ever remain alone doing drug, do speak of it at any cost to someone, to anyone, but do NOT keep it for yourself. I am sure and confident that EVERYBODY can recover from drugs if able to ask for help.

For those lucky ones who manage drugs with enough care to remain healthy, sane and free, congratulation, but please do not be proselyt... This is the worse gift to be done even to one's worse ennemy !


Keep free, healthy, and happy !

Cheers everybody.

 

[Brugmansia]

Coke is just not enjoyable in the long-term, because even if you manage to control your use quite well, you always remain with the 'wanting' feeling you've to deal with. I managed it to use coke very well.

There was a time I could obtain crack. And I did, mistake number 1, I actually thought that smoking one pipe wouldn't hurt and told myself not to exceed that line, so I took the pipe and smoked it, mistake number 2. Before I noticed, I did 3 pipes in 5 minutes.

Even though the feeling was super-super-fine, I felt dirty and cheap for basing. 'Cause all I did was staring.. staring.. enjoying the short flash. I literally recognised myself as a junk look on the streets.

The after effects were horrible, it was like my body didn't had any energy for 2 days, and asked for crack as food when hungry.

Snort coke is pure status, classified as elite cos of the price. I abadoned it because, like someone else said here, I started with cos of the glamour/movies surround it. But the high isn't my thing.

 

[alphasnail]

i used to be a big coke head about late summer last year. I was spending about 70 bucks on coke a day and was using it constantly. I can say that cocaine really fucked me over in the end, no money, my best friend fucked me over just to get some extra cash for it, and was addicted. I stoped using it because of those reasons and im glad it did because i was very unhappy with myself when i was using it. all in all i think cocaine is the worst drug and the biggest waste of time.

 

[laststop]

my opinion on coke is simple - the comedown is not worth the high, the only way to tolerate the comedown is to snort 40-80mg of oxycodone to combat the shitty ass coke comedown oxy now thats the best :0

 

[Nirvanana]

my opinion on coke is simple - the comedown is not worth the high, the only way to tolerate the comedown is to snort 40-80mg of oxycodone to combat the shitty ass coke comedown oxy now thats the best :0

Probably because I took coke IV, highs were just too high to be tolerable. I even thought several times having reached OD level, once even seeing my whole body bleeding from every od its parts... Awfull, really;.. therefore, oxycodone or not, I will never ever come to it again, as the frightening hallus finally would not leave me quite even by day, even out of coke. Today, two weeks after final stop, I start to be cool again, and would like to test MDMA ! pure one of course. But easy easy, I am not in a hurry, the only thing is that I like to have FUN !!!

Bye bye all ! Keep careful with C, mostly with cutting products...

 

[spice]

I encourage you to continue seeking MDMA. You will eventually find it, I don't know about your particular region, but it should blanket most of europe and the usa these days.

The way I broke all of my major addictions was with LSD, and it's been about 15 years since I altered my entire existence with this wondrous substance.

I 've been hooked on coke, been on speed, cigs, booze...acid enabled me to understand WHY I was addicted, HOW I reinforced that addiction and let me
triumph over all of them. 15 years without a backslide into any of them.

In the 1980s I lived in south Texas, near the mexican border, and cocaine and meth were cheap and everywhere. I was injecting and smoking coke all the time for a while...injecting meth, too... 2 pack a day cig habit, booze at night.

One thing led to another, and I relocated...somewhere along the way, right after I got settled, LSD 'found' me....then I discovered Tim Leary, and eventually stumbled upon the infamous canadian studies where Dr. Leary and others successfully treated alcoholism with LSD, by allowing people to delve into the roots of their addiction....then came the X hot on the heels of the acid and then came...the change.

The person that sits here and types is 40-something years old, but the ideas and attitudes that make up what I am is less than half of that...

I may be off base here, but it seems that the more introverted a person is, the more likely that acid will have an 'extreme' effect on them.

Extroverts are looking for (and, hence, GET) something different from the experience, I think...this seems to fall under Tims umbrella of 'set aand setting'

 

[SubstanceD]

Most enjoyable when you don't pay for it!

 

[SubstanceD]

Most enjoyable when you don't pay for it!

 

[silv]

I encourage you to continue seeking MDMA. You will eventually find it, I don't know about your particular region, but it should blanket most of europe and the usa these days.

The way I broke all of my major addictions was with LSD, and it's been about 15 years since I altered my entire existence with this wondrous substance.

I 've been hooked on coke, been on speed, cigs, booze...acid enabled me to understand WHY I was addicted, HOW I reinforced that addiction and let me
triumph over all of them. 15 years without a backslide into any of them.

In the 1980s I lived in south Texas, near the mexican border, and cocaine and meth were cheap and everywhere. I was injecting and smoking coke all the time for a while...injecting meth, too... 2 pack a day cig habit, booze at night.

One thing led to another, and I relocated...somewhere along the way, right after I got settled, LSD 'found' me....then I discovered Tim Leary, and eventually stumbled upon the infamous canadian studies where Dr. Leary and others successfully treated alcoholism with LSD, by allowing people to delve into the roots of their addiction....then came the X hot on the heels of the acid and then came...the change.

The person that sits here and types is 40-something years old, but the ideas and attitudes that make up what I am is less than half of that...

I may be off base here, but it seems that the more introverted a person is, the more likely that acid will have an 'extreme' effect on them.

Extroverts are looking for (and, hence, GET) something different from the experience, I think...this seems to fall under Tims umbrella of 'set aand setting'

respect for that man! Happy to hear you beat your addictions, I can imagine looking back it's really sad to have been such a slave.