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The Real Life Matrix - A very controversial thread

restin

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but the matrix is ANY system...the word just doesn't say anything. If two humans meet we have a behavioural system and therefore a matrix. And now? Conclusion? You may call everything a matrix but why should you? Everything is a game between authority and freedom and this game is called a system. Why do you call authority bad and yourself a slave to it? Imagine language without grammar. Imagine tennis without rules. Freedom without authority is absurd.

The problem is, for every sequence you can make a system.

2,4,8

what is the next number? 16? not neccessarily! it can be any number and that's why I call the thought with the matrix a failure. Because you can never never find the ultimate rule.

even for 1,2,3,4,5,6 you cannot. It can ALWAYS be ANY number. You just have to make the rule infinitly complicated.

So:

If you are seeking a truth to live with, you are very welcome to live with matrices. You can work with Newton, Einstein etc.

But if you want to go beyond, you have to go beyond the matrix.

You see, not even the bankers understand the system they have built.

Not even the presidents understood the game they are playing.

Because they cannot. The build rules for the domain they are in NOW, not the true domain. Because everything is eternal.
 

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I ask you one thing, do you believe in coincidence?

Depends on the domain you choose.

Take the domain a normal man needs for living, then yes.

To take the ultimate, then no.

I do not say that I know the ultimate truth but I know that it exists. And the search for it is my life and I won't get stuck in such lazy answers as the matrix.

Peace.

EDIT: I believe some of you are taking the movie as the template for the word "matrix". Remember: there they needed to step OUT of the matrix to find truth.
 

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Ehh... your in the matrix buddy. We all are, and we're seeking ways/glimpses out with use of psychedelics on this forum. Your right you can call it whatever you want to, but were all referring to the same thing, at least the original poster is.

Freedom with out Authority is NOT absurd. That's an extremely stupid thing to say anyways, please explain?

To all you fellow scientists out there, explain the double slit experiment.

To all you Christians and theistic religious people out there, please explain the problem of Evil.

To all you Solopsists why are you posting on forums.
 

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Envid, whether what you're saying is profound or just fantasy it's the kind of stuff I can read for ages and enjoy whilst I'm under the influence of psychedelics. The drugs really give my brain a demand for that kind of literature.

Perhaps the only thing I can criticise is your use of the year 2012 when nothing has actually happened in that year as it hasn't come yet. I would certainly like the year 2012 to be a historical year. The numbers 20+1+2 add up to the number 23, a number publicised by a recent Jim Carrey film. Coincidentally for the year 1904, the year Crowley wrote "The Book of the Law", the numbers 19+04=23. Even more curious is that if, as Crowley did, you take the year 1904 as being the start of a New Aeon, then the year 2012 is the year 108 of Crowley's New Aeon. 108 is a number recently publicised by Sci-fi series "Lost" and for reasons I can't recall the number 108 is important to Astrology as well as the Hindu and Islamic religions.

I would love something to happen on 2012, and 'gulp' if we're all still alive I'd love to refer back to it and all the clever mathematics that went with it, but for now I'm sitting on the fence on the 2012 issue and wouldn't be totally surprised or disappointed if nothing of note actually happened in that year.

The only reason I bring up 2012 is mostly because of David Wilocks work @ www.divinecosmos.com. Most of it is based on science and there are so many correlations showing that something is happening around 2011-2013.

The Law of One (www.lawofone.info) series that was channeled in the early 1980's where Carla Rueckert was the medium, Jim MacCarty the transcriber and Don Elkins a physicist that asked questions, told that there would be a change in consciousness on planet earth 30 years into the future. (This was 1981-82 + 30 = 2011/2012). This was released before 2012 and the maya predictions became as huge as they are now.

The maya calendar and PHI also correlates. This I cannot explain so good though, but this article does: THE ULTIMATE SECRET OF THE MAYAN CALENDAR

And most importantly, death doesn't exist in the conventional way that it all just ends, we keep on living... To die and live in the afterlife is A HELL LOT better then living on this planet. But you always reincarnate if you have more to learn. And your higher self that is alot more aware then we are as humans will always send us back to what we need to learn.

Many people associate life with their body, but the body is just a vehicle, a temporary body that we only use for a short period of time.

The whole society is insane in its structures. We force people into states where they actually do say "I am free, and I enjoy not doing what I dream of." and most people don't even have their dreams.. They don't know what they really want to do, they just keep working to get money to be able to survive.

We live in a world that's about learning. We are enslaved not to believe in anything utopian or absolutley amazing.

For all who don't understand that consciousness created matter, watch this presentation by Peter Russell: The Primacy of Consciousness.
 

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Ehh... your in the matrix buddy. We all are, and we're seeking ways/glimpses out with use of psychedelics on this forum. Your right you can call it whatever you want to, but were all referring to the same thing, at least the original poster is.

then please answer Nomadas question.

is it cultural boundaries or materialistic ones? both? some else?

these are two very different statements!

And freedom without authority IS absurd. I believe you gave authority a completely wrong definition. You see authority as something bad, dictators, propaganda etc. Authority is a rule, a boundary. So every system needs authority. Therefore also politics needs authority.

But if you think about absolute "truth" then you work neither with authority nor with roles as truth is neither of it.
 

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Enivid a dit:
thadivine, the future predictions where not clear for me, but are now because of logic. (And to all who laugh at that, you have NO idea what I've done in my life ;) )

Great that you've found your inner truth! Welcome to a step closer the reality thadivine :)

To all that bring negativity and ridicule or whatever, I just don't care, there was a time when it affected me. Why? Because I could be wrong, and since I use my left seriell processor brain to put logic to things I can't go around beliving something if its not true. Then after some time contemplating, researching, and looking inside you find some unexplainable experiences that will forever change you. Why? Cause if you search truth you will receive truth.

I've faced ALL my fears to come here.

And I still say Im not better than anyone, so don't think so! :)

I want to tell ya'll a metaphor for our lifes at this moment. Think of our lifes like a basketball, we start ontop of it and goes around it 360 degress and end up where we started. This path is one path of infinite paths we could take to end up where we started. Life is a circle, when it ends, it starts all over again. We've just started.
Can you explain/prove why this has to be true?
Enivid a dit:
One important note: There's no such thing as death unless you believe in it. Your mind is not physical. Its an abstact thing. Sure you use your brain, this is what you use to store information like words and etc. But when you die you still know what you've learned and even more, you know whatever you want to know. But its also a little more complex than that.
How can you show to me that this is true, or can you only show it to someone who already believes that there is no such thing as death?
Enivid a dit:
Anyway, this basketball analogy is that we don't really have free will. Cause we done everything already. BUT, we can always choose what path to take again. And who doesn't want to live in an utopian world with video games that are as real as here and now? Or movies ? And time travel to visit other planets and galaxies?

Im not talking about anything that has to do with religion, Im not into that. Im an ordinary guy that turned into a stoner that became an entreprenur and freestyler (hip hop) and then stopped smoking weed because I find my truth inside me and Mary Jane held me back. She's good a while but then she's holding you back.. :) And I've always learned from a skeptical logical point of view and always been objective. And if you don't know what skeptical and objective means, LOOK IT UP!
You say you've looked at everything from a skeptical point of view. How come you suddenly pick up a bunch of nonconfirmed and arbitrary subjective new-age unprovable beliefs?
Enivid a dit:
Its amazing that stoners and psychonauts are so close minded when it comes to reality. Do you really believe that this time here and now is the ultimate experience? Where we work for money? that is an abstrakt concept created by greedy men?

We are all slaves.

And don't let me insult your ego, cause Im not. Im just sharing what I've experienced.
As I was one of the people skeptical of your original post I do feel insulted, you completely fail to see that people are not being closed minded but that they are actually sensibly and critically thinking about your op. Projection is a word that springs to mind.
Enivid a dit:
A fun thing, if I where the president or an authority such as a mainstream person or mainstream media you'd believe me. If the authorities said: "Yeah its true, this is just a matrix where you are slaves". The point is the MAINSTREAM will ALWAYS LIE!
You assume too much.
Enivid a dit:
Look at Fox News, look at your mainstream papers and TV stations, what's on? Idol? Soap operas? Porn? News about stock market collapsing because of the stupid Fractional Reserve Banking system that gives the banks the control to create money out of nothing? Do you even know what fractional reserve banking is?
With what does this have to do?
Enivid a dit:
The existential questions is something we all should learn about, but yet the leaders starts wars in the name of religion. The mainstream doesn't mention the groundbreaking work of afterlife science or the science of astral projection. The mainstream is "their" tool to keep us as their sheeps.
You have to play the game to change it, you can't go around talking about new types of science without people comparing them to their own scientifical standards. You have to start in the paradigm that already exists and try to change that by using the current scientific methods to prove that either they're not sufficient or just that your theory is true.
Enivid a dit:
Are you a sheep?

No offense, I want people to wake up, just like thadivine says. Its not to insult or to say that we're better. Its to let you know that you have the truth inside you, and you can find it if you search for it. Don't be a sheep and do what mainstream tells you to do. THINK.
You try to offend, then say no offense and then you say you want people to wake up. But what if I wake up to a whole different truth than you, and that I see that even though this mainstream of yours isn't paradise, the stuff you talk about is a bunch of Matrix inspired bullshit? Furthermore (assuming you talk to the people who reacted somewhat negatively to your original post) I feel insulted by your assumption that I do what the mainstream tells me and that I don't THINK for myself. Apologies are in place as you're in no way fit to make judgements about my psyche and behaviour.
Enivid a dit:
Question Authority.

Question your existence.
You think that on a forum named psychonaut.com people haven't already? Again you assume too much.
Enivid a dit:
You've probably taken drugs and been to other worlds. Do you understand how your brain and your THIRD EYE works? Did you know that when you sleep you release DMT into your brain? And that the 3rd eye, the pineal gland, is responsible for what you see then? That the 3rd eye has retinas and waters inside it just like the regular eyes?
As far as I'm properly informed this is just guesswork and in no way scientifically proven so as far as I'm concerned I might as well have no natural DMT in my brain whatsoever (please correct me if I'm wrong and show me research that proves this). I would have to ask my psychology teachers, but I find it hard to believe with no proof presented whatsoever that the Pineal gland isn't just a "normal" (quotations added because I don't think the brain is in any way a normal machine) piece of brain hardware.

Enivid a dit:
What is real?

Well, from a point of view inside the energy and matter, everything is real.

The mind is outside of the matter and can control matter. "Mind over Matter".
So where is the mind then and by which mechanism does it influence matter?

Enivid a dit:
BUT, we don't have superpowers as ordinary people because of free will. But yet we have seen people perform "miracles" and things that seems impossible, and we just dismiss it as hoax. I did the same, until I witnessed things in my own life that changed me forever. Like when I dreamed about the future. And then I found out my mum had done the same thing. There's no such thing as a past or future, its all happening NOW.

We can travel in time, but not yet, in the future, in the new and amazing world that is to come for thoose who choose it. Ignorance will make you continue to dwell in the darkness, its as simple as that.
Then where are the time travellers from the future? Because if it will be possible some day, they should've already come back to our time if they did at all?

Enivid a dit:
Its darkness (selfishness, like being mean to other humans) or light (love and being kind and helpful). Where do you dwell?

Lots of love and peace!

And you're a god and you're a creator. So I cannot in anyway possible be better then you, only your equal.

- Enivid
I dwell in the here and now, and as I do not approve of a solipsist/idealist philosophical point of view, I only consider us equals in that we're both misguided humans.

edit: and I went to one of the pages you mentioned, I can't really see that as serious science for quite obvious reasons.
 

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saying that Nietzsche is a monkey is only an excuse for not reading him !! lol
 

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Nietzsche was a monkey like you or me. A smart one, nonetheless.
 

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the time travelers from the future have not yet attempted to time travel!!!!!!!!!!
 

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the monkeys all wanna become human. just like lt. commander data
except they all disagree on what it means to be the idyllic human :p
 

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then what is he?

It was just a joke...


I also thought like that but I stopped. I think it is a type of arrogance...
 

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not really related but reminds me, what i love the most about that video (seen it before) is the little quote in it:

"some of the monkeys actually believe that the entire universe was created for their benefit"

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that summarizes the ultimate form of human arrogance in a nutshell (IMO)
perhaps it is essentially why Big Business and Big Religion have the same supporters
 

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alas,
why do they think that biped primates with binocular vision should carry around correct models of the universe between their ears?!
 

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To silv
Can you explain/prove why this has to be true?

One thing about the current exsitence is that its all based on one law: Free will. Which means all have the free will not to believe me, and I don't want to force anyone.

For me infinity is as ordinary as breathing. I have done everything I can possibly do and now I've started my life on planet earth in the first density (of 8) of the universal matrix as according to the reasearch from David Wilcock @ www.divinecosmos.com. The research there is deep, and good for your soul.

I can't say Im 100% sure of that there is 8 densities, but the reserach made by David makes a compelling and convincing case. And by using your own logic mind thinking in terms of infinity and infinte intelligence, what would the creation be like at the end?

The deepest questions cannot be directly proved, for me if I read this that I write now 2 years ago I would probably be like you, and not really believe it. Because it really makes no sense.. But when you study this and you learn from shamans, mysticism, drug experiences beyond normal reality, how your brain works, how your senses work, how the 3rd eye works, and what it means that a particle can be a wave. When you start to study all areas of life and suddenly start to have paranormal experiences like telepathy and dreaming of the future, you start to see that life is something more then what you first thought.

My initial post is there to be controversial, so people want to search for the truth. There's two ways to learn about oneness, through information and through emotion. The experience of oneness is possible with drugs, but that I attach to emotions.

How can you show to me that this is true, or can you only show it to someone who already believes that there is no such thing as death?

I can't show it to you, but if I remove all I learned about death and just use the other information I know that I can't die. And when you study what afterlife researchers have found the case is pretty solid. But then again, its all about free will to believe.

A big problem is that "they", thoose who control earth, have done everything they can to keep us from the truth. They don´t want people to be like me, for them I'm a danger. Yet Im not afraid of "them", from all I've learned I've become fearless.

You say you've looked at everything from a skeptical point of view. How come you suddenly pick up a bunch of nonconfirmed and arbitrary subjective new-age unprovable beliefs?

I don't know exactly what you mean by unconfirmed new age unprobable belifes. It has been prove that telepathy do work. And that channeling is very true and real (Edgar Cayce from the early beginning of the 1900's is the best example and most documented).

So its proven, but totally ignorned by the controlled mainstream science and news.

As I was one of the people skeptical of your original post I do feel insulted, you completely fail to see that people are not being closed minded but that they are actually sensibly and critically thinking about your op. Projection is a word that springs to mind.

If I where a professor with a Ph.D. I would be take more seriously, and I would probably have done alot more reasearch myself and put it online, but since Im nothing special just a nickname on this site its hard to believe me. And also, its pretty difficult since its waaaay controversial. I do understand this, and that's why I put a warning.

So Im sorry if you feel insulted, but I did warn you from reading.

When I started my journey I read a quote: "He who search for truth will find it". And its true, you must willingly want to find the truth. And when you find it inside you it will be overwhelming and extremley loving.

You have to play the game to change it, you can't go around talking about new types of science without people comparing them to their own scientifical standards. You have to start in the paradigm that already exists and try to change that by using the current scientific methods to prove that either they're not sufficient or just that your theory is true.

There are already resarchers and organisations that do this. We live in a paradigm shift.

You try to offend, then say no offense and then you say you want people to wake up. But what if I wake up to a whole different truth than you, and that I see that even though this mainstream of yours isn't paradise, the stuff you talk about is a bunch of Matrix inspired bullshit? Furthermore (assuming you talk to the people who reacted somewhat negatively to your original post) I feel insulted by your assumption that I do what the mainstream tells me and that I don't THINK for myself. Apologies are in place as you're in no way fit to make judgements about my psyche and behaviour.

Nothing I say is meant to be negative. What I mean is to ask yourself that, not to be offensive. I mean, I know that I acted and tried to be like others, and if noone had told me, then how would I know that I was a sheep? Cause I've been a sheep, one of the worst ones, always doing what "they" and other sheeps said was right.

Im not inspired by this "matrix bullshit" (i assume you meant he movies?). I've just gathered information from around the world that woke me up to the real-life matrix.

As far as I'm properly informed this is just guesswork and in no way scientifically proven so as far as I'm concerned I might as well have no natural DMT in my brain whatsoever (please correct me if I'm wrong and show me research that proves this). I would have to ask my psychology teachers, but I find it hard to believe with no proof presented whatsoever that the Pineal gland isn't just a "normal" (quotations added because I don't think the brain is in any way a normal machine) piece of brain hardware.

Search on goold for pineal gland DMT, and also check the book: DMT The spirit molecule by Rick Strassman.

So where is the mind then and by which mechanism does it influence matter?

You mind. And you have different levels of it, when you are the most aware you cannot exist in this reality, then you are the ultimate mind, the infinte one. If you have seen people levitate things by mind only, then you know what mind of matter means, but I assume you haven't.

Russian scientists have researched the phenomena behind levitatio of objects. David Wilcock of divinecosmos.com have talked to some of them.

Then where are the time travellers from the future? Because if it will be possible some day, they should've already come back to our time if they did at all?

We live in the first world (the 3rd density) where we learn of service to others, love and oneness and to live here we need to have free will. The free will to forget all that we knew. If we came here and knew everything we wouldn't be able to have free will. I mean if you had your godlike powers to levitate things and create things from nothing, people would look at you like a god. So partly its a good thing that we have people keeping this from us, at the same time its sad that we have gone so far away from our true selves, that we cannot even believe that its possible to do theese things.

But, time travellers are not here to enjoy things, the worlds after this, that are in 4th density and above are ALOT more harmonious and amazing then this one. They have no reason to travel back.

Oh wait, they have. They might want to inform us about crucial things. So that's why we got crop circles with PHI showing up and dates that are highligheted such as the war with Georiga and all, where the russians got hold of some secret information regarding USAs involvement.

Crop Circles do tell things through Sacred Geometry and mathematics and if they are made by people with spring boards, well, some might be, but scientists have compared their crops to time travellers crops where the UFO made crops have stalks that are bent and not hurt. They are bent in a way that is impossible if stomped down with a board.

Crop Circles is of course also target of "thoose in charge" doing everything to make us believe that its nothing unnatural about them. But again, they hide deep mathematical geometry and one that came this year showed PHI and this one was in the british mainstream media and some american.

Also this year have had ALOT of crop circles compared to last year. Also UFO sightings have been ALOT more this year in Britain than last year.

So time travellers do exist.. But not they will not infringe on our free will. That's why so many don't believe in them.

I dwell in the here and now, and as I do not approve of a solipsist/idealist philosophical point of view, I only consider us equals in that we're both misguided humans.

I also see us as equals, I see all as equals and I never judge or have a prejudiced mind (anymore since I awoke).

The site was it divinecosmos.com?

If you look up the guy, Wilcock, and you also learn about the book Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce? And learn about Edgar Cayce (who was our times greates chaneller visited by famous people and the president, also one of the most documented and his readings of medicinal nature are 98% accurate, with 2% that never could be checked fully, and he knew NOTHING of medecine).

Theese are things that we all should know. But as I said, this world is controlled by "Mr. Smith" and the like. They do everything to stop you from becoming Neo. They don't want you to wake up.

Still as Neo you won't be able to fly, since you would infringe on free will. But what I mean is that you wouldn't have anything to fear and you would most likely try to awake more people and make this world better from the source.

- Enivid
 

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Hm I'm not convinced, I might read up on it but I can't shake of the feeling that there's no clear cut answers to questions that I would ask about this stuff.
 

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Silv, I recommend this article: The Science of Peace that explains how we are connected and that everything is an illusion.

And this article: "The Matrix" is a Reality that I read for the first time today and that shows the connection between Matter and Sacred Geometry.
 

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Time travel, ultra realistic video games. It sounds like science fiction to me.

For me the truth is in the experience of the now, not in theory's.
That's just my personal BS.

Don't get me wrong. My house is stuffed with books full with philosophies theory's and stories.
I like to talk about books and theory's, but I never confused them with reality.

@ Enivid. You believe what you want to believe.
I think you're full off it. Go ask a friend to knock you on the head with a stick, a couple of times. Then you may know what reality is.
:butthead:
 
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