iv tried the 20X extract, about .5 with about .5 of 10X, from a pretty reliable source (bouncingB) anyway, i put about 5-10 drop of vodka in my mouth, while swishing my mouth, putting the extract in my lip sumwhat like chewing tobacco, and put the rest under my toung. still swishing it around. (i found this extract has a VERY strong compost leave, burning taste) i mix up the extract keeping most of it under my tounge, waited about 30 min, then swallowed the crap. i noticed it coming on after about 20 min, and i layed back, and fell asleep? not really sure if i was either sleeping or tripping, but when i woke up, i was still laying in my bed. (which is a VERY good thing, iv wandered off in a few sal trips) and done some very dumb things as well.. including touching a bright orange (HOT) industrial heater with all my fingers... burning off my finger prints. (had no idea what the orange glow was, and i noticed i got feelings from it.. but wasnt sure what the feelings were) yeah.. not the brightest thing iv done. anyway, i find the extract is a much more chilled out trip. you dont freak out, and i find i dont get the "needles coming out of my poors" feeling which also includes massive sweating.