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Is extracted DMT and synthetical DMT similar in it's effect?
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This question breaks down to "does a chemical substance have properties that lie not in its structure but in the environment it was created?" Essential question, but pretty hard to answer.
Again, synthetic DMT is EXACTLY the same thing as natural DMT.
The plant had to synthesize the DMT molecule just like a chemist, using H2O, CO2, and Nitrogen.....it can be seen that what a plant is, is
a miniature laboratory.
Any difference, A-N-Y difference in effects is related to purification
processes.
Plants are what taught humanity to synthesize drugs in the first place.
The plant had to synthesize the DMT molecule just like a chemist, using H2O, CO2, and Nitrogen.....it can be seen that what a plant is, is
a miniature laboratory.
Any difference, A-N-Y difference in effects is related to purification
processes.
Plants are what taught humanity to synthesize drugs in the first place.
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Hey!!
Faust: the answer is supposedly yes! Interesting what you say spice!!! Didn't know yet that plants are professional chemists!!
Oh and i think your sig's quote of morpheus got a little different,.. it's not: "..you stay with me.." , it's: "..you stay in wonderland and i show you how deep the rabbit hole goes" if i remember it right!! 
Peace!!
Faust: the answer is supposedly yes! Interesting what you say spice!!! Didn't know yet that plants are professional chemists!!
Oh and i think your sig's quote of morpheus got a little different,.. it's not: "..you stay with me.." , it's: "..you stay in wonderland and i show you how deep the rabbit hole goes" if i remember it right!! Peace!!
By impeding the absorption and metabolism of the drug.
For example, if the similarity in this mysterious red oil and dmt is great enough that the extraction process pulls both of them out, then this tells you they are chemically similar....your body is an extraction machine, that's what it does with every single substance put into it....
Whetheryou inhale the substance or eat it, doesn't really matter. The body still is somewhat selective about what it takes in and what it doesn't, but can only really discriminate down to a certain level....
When you smoke dmt, the purity is what puts 'x' amount into your blood via your lungs. If you are vaporizing this other oil alongside your dmt, and said oil is similar enough to extract over with the dmt in the tek, then it stands to reason that some of this oil will occupy
sites in the alveoli ( lung ) that effectively 'block' the dmt molecule...
its like parking two cars in one space, it doesn't work very well.
With ecstasy (mdma) the analogy extends further, and may shed a little more light; MDMA is sometimes obtained as a light tan powder, sometimes a little darker.....PURE mdma powder is blinding white, and most people will never see it. The brown color is an impurity known as mdp2p the immediate precursor to mdma. MDP2P is very similar in structure to mdma, requiring only the addition of the methylamine molecule to be mdma....it is, in fact, so similar that it weakens the effects of mdma even in small amounts.
When I used to dose people with BIG doses of pure mdma, a lot of them would ask me 'What in THE FUCK did you give me'?
The difference was very noticable.
I'd make an educated guess that the same mechanism is at play with this red oil, it is a contaminant which will compete for absorption in your body, and the net effect is that it will not be the same experience as purified dmt.
For example, if the similarity in this mysterious red oil and dmt is great enough that the extraction process pulls both of them out, then this tells you they are chemically similar....your body is an extraction machine, that's what it does with every single substance put into it....
Whetheryou inhale the substance or eat it, doesn't really matter. The body still is somewhat selective about what it takes in and what it doesn't, but can only really discriminate down to a certain level....
When you smoke dmt, the purity is what puts 'x' amount into your blood via your lungs. If you are vaporizing this other oil alongside your dmt, and said oil is similar enough to extract over with the dmt in the tek, then it stands to reason that some of this oil will occupy
sites in the alveoli ( lung ) that effectively 'block' the dmt molecule...
its like parking two cars in one space, it doesn't work very well.
With ecstasy (mdma) the analogy extends further, and may shed a little more light; MDMA is sometimes obtained as a light tan powder, sometimes a little darker.....PURE mdma powder is blinding white, and most people will never see it. The brown color is an impurity known as mdp2p the immediate precursor to mdma. MDP2P is very similar in structure to mdma, requiring only the addition of the methylamine molecule to be mdma....it is, in fact, so similar that it weakens the effects of mdma even in small amounts.
When I used to dose people with BIG doses of pure mdma, a lot of them would ask me 'What in THE FUCK did you give me'?
The difference was very noticable.
I'd make an educated guess that the same mechanism is at play with this red oil, it is a contaminant which will compete for absorption in your body, and the net effect is that it will not be the same experience as purified dmt.
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Maybe this is a bit too off-topic (like you guys mind, LOL, but I don't want to open a separate topic for this), but the best MDMA I ever had was a bit purple-ish. Right now I have some almost white (a bit grey-ish) stuff. Do you have any idea what this purple thing might be?
Was it 'molly' or powder?
If so, then I do not know what the coloration was.....I only know that in every synthesis of mdma I ever did (literally hundreds) that the only two colors I saw were brown and white, this when they were still oils, before conversion to powder.
I can make a guess, that this color was different enough in molecular structure to not compete in any way to hinder absorption, and that it was placed there intentionally, as a mark of distinction...just guessing...
A capable, imaginative chemist wouldn't really have a problem figuring out how to do this, but there is no commonly known process I am aware of that makes this color as a byprod in mdma synthesis.
Let me dig a little, and I'll post again later today.
If so, then I do not know what the coloration was.....I only know that in every synthesis of mdma I ever did (literally hundreds) that the only two colors I saw were brown and white, this when they were still oils, before conversion to powder.
I can make a guess, that this color was different enough in molecular structure to not compete in any way to hinder absorption, and that it was placed there intentionally, as a mark of distinction...just guessing...
A capable, imaginative chemist wouldn't really have a problem figuring out how to do this, but there is no commonly known process I am aware of that makes this color as a byprod in mdma synthesis.
Let me dig a little, and I'll post again later today.
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That's already a lot of info. Thanks!
They were crystals, btw.
They were crystals, btw.
hey,
trolling around on the web, I have found some reports in the northern USA and Canada where these guys were taliking about some purplish-clear rocks of pure mdma.....they all ranted and raved about how good it was, but it really sounds like extremely pure moly powder
with a non-competitive coloring added , as I say, as a mark of distinction.
This color would have to have a very low molecular weight, and be non-active in and of itself.....easily obtained, easy to work with....
shooting from the hip here.....
possibly a form of a fruit sugar derivative, such as , maybe....
grape extract.....?!?
A very small amount of this, dissolved in alcohol, which is the solvent of choice for recrystallizing ecstasy, should add the color, without interfering in any way....if the crystallization was done anhydrous
( waterless conditions, as usually done by the pros ) then the small amount of sugar would not be an interloper in any way, shape, or form.
Nor would it be sticky or gummy if done correctly. Remember, sugar only manifests these qualities when water-wet. Pure sugar, as a molecular compound, is blindingly white, and a dry crystalline powder.
Of course you couldn't taste it, it has a lot of other much more strongly flavored stuff in there.
That's my best guess, at this point....as always, I may be wrong.
We all know that the power of the placebo is extremely real, and it is highly likely that the chemist wanted to 'brand' his molly the same way a stamped pill is branded, so that word of mouth would sell it for him.....
trolling around on the web, I have found some reports in the northern USA and Canada where these guys were taliking about some purplish-clear rocks of pure mdma.....they all ranted and raved about how good it was, but it really sounds like extremely pure moly powder
with a non-competitive coloring added , as I say, as a mark of distinction.
This color would have to have a very low molecular weight, and be non-active in and of itself.....easily obtained, easy to work with....
shooting from the hip here.....
possibly a form of a fruit sugar derivative, such as , maybe....
grape extract.....?!?
A very small amount of this, dissolved in alcohol, which is the solvent of choice for recrystallizing ecstasy, should add the color, without interfering in any way....if the crystallization was done anhydrous
( waterless conditions, as usually done by the pros ) then the small amount of sugar would not be an interloper in any way, shape, or form.
Nor would it be sticky or gummy if done correctly. Remember, sugar only manifests these qualities when water-wet. Pure sugar, as a molecular compound, is blindingly white, and a dry crystalline powder.
Of course you couldn't taste it, it has a lot of other much more strongly flavored stuff in there.
That's my best guess, at this point....as always, I may be wrong.
We all know that the power of the placebo is extremely real, and it is highly likely that the chemist wanted to 'brand' his molly the same way a stamped pill is branded, so that word of mouth would sell it for him.....
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I don't think it was a placebo as I never heard of purple MDMA until I saw it. But I guess it could also have been set/setting (although I used it twice).
No, no...I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say....
the mdma was real.....the purple coloration was the placebo effect, adding novelty, and mystery.
Purple is, in the drug world, power....
Purple Haze
Purple mushrooms
Purple microdot
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes....it's like an inducement to subconsciously recognize, 'Hey, here's power'....
the mdma was real.....the purple coloration was the placebo effect, adding novelty, and mystery.
Purple is, in the drug world, power....
Purple Haze
Purple mushrooms
Purple microdot
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes....it's like an inducement to subconsciously recognize, 'Hey, here's power'....
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I understood you perfectly, just probably didn't explain myself correctly.
The association you have with the colour purple is not really what I experience myself. It could of course be subconscious, but I don't think that we can consciously talk about that :wink:
You may not CONSCIOUSLY associate the color purple the way I said, however, because the collective body of literature on the net and in print DOES make reference, exhaustively, to the purps I mentioned, if you have read reference to these, ever, then the subconscious association, even if it is somebody elses ( alot of somebody elses )
IS in your head, just not on a conscious level....
I think the key to understanding that it isn't some 'super x' is that the effects were just those of killer x, nothing more.
Your perception of the stuff having the color purple, ITSELF falls into the category of 'set'.....
Even without any drug associations, the color purple has historically been associated with exotica and, yes, royalty.
Remember the famed purple dyes of Tyre, in Egyptian times.
Purple is archetypally mysterious and exotic, and my gut says that this is a very sophisticated pre-loading of 'set' by someone who knows his shit.
Maybe I am over-intellectualizing ( who me?
) but this 'feels' right to me.
IS in your head, just not on a conscious level....
I think the key to understanding that it isn't some 'super x' is that the effects were just those of killer x, nothing more.
Your perception of the stuff having the color purple, ITSELF falls into the category of 'set'.....
Even without any drug associations, the color purple has historically been associated with exotica and, yes, royalty.
Remember the famed purple dyes of Tyre, in Egyptian times.
Purple is archetypally mysterious and exotic, and my gut says that this is a very sophisticated pre-loading of 'set' by someone who knows his shit.
Maybe I am over-intellectualizing ( who me?
) but this 'feels' right to me.Forkbender
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Sure, makes sense.
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just to say that i have come across some purple MDMA too, about two years ago...it gave me a hell of a hangover.
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