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How To Make DMT Out Of Phalaris Arundinacea

UTHTURN

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1. Pulverize the grass cuttings as much as you can. You must do this to rupture the cellular structure the plant. A good way is to put the plant material in the freezer overnight, remove the next day, thaw it, put it in the freezer again, and then remove and thaw it again. After two or three such cycles it will usually be mushy and easily minced in a blender. Place the phalaris in the blender when it is frozed and the blender will chop it easier.
2. Next add enough water to the much to make a pourable soup.
3. Now you must add an acid. Just enough to bring the PH down to about 5. You can use white vinegar, lemon juice, or acetic acid. Check the PH with PH paper, it is usually sold at most drug stores. The acid reacts with the alkaloids in the plant material and converts them into a salt. A good way to facilitate this reaction is to simmer the acidified soup in a slow cooker overnight; leave the lid on, as we don't want any liquid to evaporate.
4. Strain the plant matter through cheesecloth, then through a paper coffee filter. The bulk roughage may now be discarded because the alkaloids we seek have migrated into the aqueous solution.
5. Add a small percentage of a defatting solvent such as methylene chloride, ether, chloroform, or naphtha. Naptha is easily available in the form of Coleman fuel or lighter fluid. The reason we do this procedure is to remove the oils and fats which are in the solution - they will migrate into the solvent. Shake up the mixture and put it aside long enough to seperate into two layers, one aqueous, the other solvent. If you've ever made vinegar and oil salad dressing then you've seen this done.
6. A separatory funnel is useful for this next operation. This is a simple lab tool consisting of a tapered glass container with a tap at the bottom and a stoppered opening at the top. The two liquids are poured in the top (the bottom faucet is closed, of course); The container is corked and shaken about to mix its contents. It is then set aside until the fluids seperate into 2 layers. Then a tap is opened to allow the lower stratum to drain into a container. Just before the descending upper fraction reaches the faucet, it is closed off. You can also do the above separation procedure with a turkey baster :) Discard the solvent (along with the unwanted oils and fats) and now the remaining aqueous solution contains the alkaloids.
7. he next step is to add a base to our solution. One often used in extraction formulas is ammonium hydroxide, a liquid. If this is unobtainable you can substitute regular lye crystals. This is sold as drain cleaner and is also called sodium hydroxide. Dissolve this is water to a high concentration. This fluid is added in small increments to the aqueous solution, shaking the mixture each time, then testing it until eventually the pH reaches 9 or 10. Be patient. It usually takes a while to get it just right. Now you have 'unhooked' the salt and transformed the alkaloids into their freebase form. They are now no longer a salt, and hence no longer soluble in water... So now the are accessable to extraction by one of the organic solvents mentioned above. Using coleman starting fuel is best and easy to obtain.
8. A ratio of 10 percent of the aqueous solution should be enough solvent for each extraction. The easiest way to estimate this is to visualize where the 10% line is on your container of aqueous solution, then add that amount of solvent to the whole, increasing the volume to 110% (A super accurate measurement is not necessary) The container must be kept closed tightly so that the solvent won't evaporate from the solution.
9. Four extractions are made to make SURE that all of the alkaloids are removed. These are done at one 24-hour, and then at three weekly intervals. The solvent layer will soon take on a darker tint, usually yellowish or reddish-brown. This indicates the presence of alkaloids as they slowly move out of the aqueous solution. It will take almost a month to get most of them, and the mixture should be shaken at least twice a day to ensure that all of the alkaloid molecules come into contact with the solvent. At each weekly extraction carefully separate this from the aqeous solution be either of the methods mentioned above. Save these solvent fractions and combine them in one container. each time add fresh solvent to the aqeous solution until the extraction series is complete.
10. The last step is to pour the combined solvent fractions into a shallow baking dish or pan and allow it all to evaporate in an open space free from flame or sparks. The residue remaining after the evaporation contains the alkaloids, and may be put into gelatin capsules. If it is unduly gummy, one may add small amounts of ordinary flour to the gum until it thickens.
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HeartCore

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Thanks a lot, I am planning to remodel my cannabis growing place into an entheogenic garden after my next harvest and I have a couple of thousand phalaris seeds handy. So this information will be useful ;)
 

sopor

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Nice... I am thinking about growing some phalaris in the spring too.

One question: Is the product of this extraction NN-DMT or 5-MEO-DMT?
 

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leave the lid on, as we don't want any liquid to evaporate.

Why wouldnt you want that? To avoid cooking it dry? Since no alkaloids will go in the air if I remember correctly.

One question: Is the product of this extraction NN-DMT or 5-MEO-DMT?

I believe it contains both, and bufotenine but I am not sure about that.
 

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I thought you were the extraction wiz kid.

At this stage you want to keep the water level high enough that there's enough to hold all the goodies without becoming saturated.

Several improvements have been made to this tek and there are better ones from what I've read.

for instance: in step 6, you can avoid buying a separatory funnel by simply freezing the water and solvent. The water will freeze but the solvent won't and can easily be poured off; then just thaw out the ice by running the jar under some hot water.

step7: KOH (potassium hydroxide) can also be used and can usually be found at hydroponic shops.

step9: It's possible to end up with nice white crystals if done properly, you shouldn't get "gum". Freeze precipitation is one way to improve this final step.

I've never done this myself but plan to with mhrb in the next few weeks so I've been reading everything I can find. I've also been having a great time with my mescaline extraction (which I need to post pics of), I'm up to 5 grams off of 4 pulls. :D woot w00t

Heart: can you post or send me a link to one of your rootbark extractions with pictures; I can't seem to get any from the archives to load properly.
 

Maru

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I had read that 'nowadays' extraction teks do not use anymore the acid part of such extractions because alkaloids are already in the chloride state.
Considering the huge amount of plant to use to get a small yield, skipping one step is welcome I guess.

Uthurn,

Did you tried this recipes ? I thought that DMT could not be orally active unless using some Caapi or Rue ?
 

Brewmaster

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No, an acid is always needed in an a/b extraction. Hence the name acid/base.

This much I know: With mescaline, sodium hydroxide (NaOH) is used to convert the molecules into their freebase form, then an acid such as sulfuric/ muriatic is usd to change them into their salt form. DMT is the same way, but backwards.

And dmt can be active in very high doses without an maoi; possibly from the amount you could collect from this tech if using a large amount of material. However, I have seen this applied plenty of times on mimosa with the changes I mentioned to turn out nice, white crystals. And isn't that what everyone wants?
It can be done quicker, as I understand, by just leaving the solvent, base, and acid in the same container and letting them separate that way, thereby saving quite a bit of time.
 

Maru

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No, an acid is always needed in an a/b extraction. Hence the name acid/base.

Sorry, misunderstanding. I meant that a/b could be replaced by 'b' with the 'a' beeing superfluous for DMT extraction because the DMT is already in salt form in the plant and will just precipitate in strong NaOH solution.
As NaOh will also 'dissolve' the plant, this makes the mixing task easier.

I have some personal clue that this may works fine and some people on other forums claim this is the way to do to get even better yield than with the traditional a/b extraction.
 

Brewmaster

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You were right. Apparently an acid is NOT needed for a dmt extraction; only for mescaline. From what I've read, the consensus seems to be that an acid does aid in a dmt extraction because it helps to pull the spice from the plant matter; the same reason we add lemon juice to a huasca brew. I also read that it's less problematic to leave the acid out when working with mimosa because it seems to give up all the goodies fairly easily, but in a case when working with leafy material such as p. viridis or d. cabrerana, that an acid would more than likely be a necessity.

Although, I don't believe anything I read until I try it myself. Hopefully experiments will get underway soon....
 
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