"The etymology is not necessarily what GOD says"
The name angels trumpet comes from exactly where i say , check it out and you will learn that .
Don't be so fucking sure all the time man. I have done my reading. I even said "... not necessarily..." , now please YOU give some link suggesting the name is after the many fatalities that came from the plant.
The angel's trumpet (Brugmansia) is everything its name suggests. Its pendulous flowers are not only shaped like trumpets, but they blare at you with their enormous size, prolific quantity and sweet scent. Moreover, consuming any part of this plant could result in your seeing angels' trumpets since it happens to be a highly toxic flowering shrub. Angel's trumpet is consumed purposely as a hallucinogenic, but it also has the potential to be fatal when taken ...
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-836 ... ?Q=Trumpet
The name Angel's Trumpet refers to the large, very dramatic, pendulous trumpet-shaped flowers, 14–50 cm long and 10–35 cm across at the wide end. They are white, yellow, pink, orange or red, and have a delicate, attractive scent with light, lemony overtones, most noticeable in early evening.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brugmansia
Last time you were so sure that amanita urine inebriation is a myth, you didn't continue it for long. Let's see what you will find this time.
To realise that there are ignorant and weak people out there and that if we have learned anything from psychedelics we have learned that we are all one , that we should love eachother , that we should help eachother , that we should not be glorifying poisoning people and that we should not be recomending people to do things that we havent done ourselves .
No, no, no. This is what YOU have learnt from psychedelics. I am who I am, I am not one with anybody. Furthermore, loving or helping others is not some self-implied command or dictum. Also I never glorified anyone's stupidity in choosing to ingest datura, I never recommended that anyone should ingest any psychoactive,
unlike you, and finally I don't think anyone ever poisoned anyone by exchanging information on some plant.
I didn't really want to say something more practical, but you said it's impossible to determine this plants potency because it's so varied, so you might die if you try, which is wrong, so I gave an example of how could someone deal with such a situation as highly varied potency.
[quote:2286mjpm]"you spent numerous posts to say daturas are lethal and noone should bother to know anything about that plan"
No i didnt , i said that people should know about them , that they should know the facts and that only fools play with fire . [/quote:2286mjpm]
So you think people should know what you believe? And, sorry mate, that's the way with fools, they will always play with the fire, whatever you tell them. Computers, the internet, ketamine, LSD, amanitas, psilcybin, matches, daturas, alcohol, even a pen can do harm. OK, daturas don't need much to fuck people up, but everone knows by now they are fatally toxic, no??
Did you read his description of his experience ? I dont think anyone would call that enjoyable or would want to repeat it
So fucking what? Anyone who decides to experiment with daturas knows that they're not considered enjoyable. So many people have read tons of reports of idiots carelessly ingesting daturas, then they go do the same thing! Says a lot about human nature
Maybe he didnt come back because he didnt listen , maybe hes in a mental hospital , maybe hes dead . I wish he would come back .
Yeah, maybe an airplane crashed on his head. You ditched him man. I bet that's the reason he flew off.
[quote:2286mjpm]" Idiocy is not something I am really concerned man. I know how to speak responsibly and not promote any dangerous psychoactive, but I also know some people will not listen to any warning. Their fault! Fuck them!" - "so why should I cry about the casualties?" - "but then again, fuck it. If they die, its only an idiot less. What's the big deal ? Armies , dictatorship, hunger kills hundreds every day. " - "If bored teens in America cant seem to understand , leave them go on ingesting datura! "
What does that realy mean ? And why do you say that ? What does that say about you ?[/quote:2286mjpm] OK, you caught me. What does it say about me?
You shouldnt be glorifying things that you havent done and if reading about people poisoning themselves is fun for you you sound like a very heartless and calous person . You sound like you are full of hate and have no respect , no compassion or love for others and very little experience of life . You show that you have obviously not learned the basics that psychedelics have to teach .
Oh come on! He didn't glorify anything, he said it as a guilty pleasure. Datura stories are indeed amazing - even though I am more amazed by the performers idiocy, but whatever the case, it usually makes a pretty entertaining story, usually ending with warnings and demonisations of the plant each one of those idiots has disreaspected.
And who the fuck are you who will dictate to us what psychedelics have to teach? You, who responded like this to some guy in a serious conversation who said "All we need is love"
(i also believe that all you need is Love)
All i need is loads of MONEY , coke , hash , sex , a porsch , a cleaning lady , (with big tits) , a holiday in india , a new liver , a flat screen TV , satalite TV , plastic surgery , more money , a new computer , sex , money , a life , sex , grass , coke , LSD , DMT , tits.....................
Hmmm it looks as if you got all psychedelic truths straight, huh
- was this joke or what?
Again someone who has never had it , and never studied it expressing an opinion about its usefullness.
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So show me proof of what you say . What people ? Where ? When ?
Are you sure you wantto play this game once more? You want links? Okey, Goran.Hrsak posts in the first pages of this thread is dangerous info, I already said that. So you're asking about links?? What about books? What about hundreds of scientific, botanic not related to psychoactives that talk about the long history of tropane plants use in europe and elsewhere? What about global ethnobotany that records the use of the plants? What about the beers and wines fermented with tropane plants which are made according to traditional recipes? Just a few links will show you that there are serious people that take interest in those admitedly dangerous and potentially fatal , but nevertheless fascinationg plants. You really want to see them or you resign now ? [think of the previous challenges: amanita urine, angel trumpets etymology]
I left the 1000000 dollar question for the end... here's your quote
How do i know what i am talking about ? Because i used it many times over 4 years and i`m the 1 in a million that survived the bigger than death dose .
Fuck man, YOU did it! Why? Why did you do it repeatedly ? "
Many times over 4 years?" If it's so toxic and unpleasant how did you live to repeat it? and why did you repeat it since it was so unpleasant? Are you some kind of GOD ?
Only fools play with fire, huh? I think even God likes to play with fire sometimes - or God is a fool?
And, for antichrist's sake, PLEASE tell us the story with the bigger than death dose and how you survived. Nathaniel here DIES for a good old datura story
