big business, big money, corporate machine, mass media etc..

[Crimzen]

cmon swank, i know, but its just a matter of: (negative space not the lines)
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i know you of all people can surely do it

 

[Iersuko]

Sorry Shwanke. I just imagine things from all perspectives before I make a statement. But by no means are my opinions definitive. If I'm lying about anything or missing some vital facts that could change the gist of my statements you can always feel free to share. I'm always open and and don't mean to sound argumentative at all.

 

[Schwanke668]

cmon swank, i know, but its just a matter of: (negative space not the lines)
/\/\/\/\/\/\/
/\/\/\/\/\/\/

i know you of all people can surely do it

????? LOL. No clue what your gettin at.

 

[Schwanke668]

Sorry Shwanke. I just imagine things from all perspectives before I make a statement. But by no means are my opinions definitive. If I'm lying about anything or missing some vital facts that could change the gist of my statements you can always feel free to share. I'm always open and and don't mean to sound argumentative at all.

I'll try again or something. I'll play it by ear but I kinda feel with you I'm like bach or beatoven or whoever it was that was deaf lol. Play it by ears that cant hear kind of thing lol. Hopefully I'll be as 'lucky' as he was to figure out what your saying lol.

 

[Iersuko]

Oh. would you like translation, clarification or elaboration?

 

[Iersuko]

Translation. Democracy is no longer and hasn't been for some time now, tailored for the average citizens best interest. Although it may seem that way at times by the new laws they pass. Most of it's actions are just for show or perhaps all are just residual affects of the benefits for the few very privileged elite citizens and conglomerates that "trickle down" to the mere relative peasantry. All money is blood money, electronic or 'paper'. The only reason we spend it is either because we don't know it; have too many responsibilities to do anything about it or luxuries to care. Or we're simply afraid to be shunned by the rest of society or even the government for being "radical"(bum, hippie, socialist, communist, anarchist, Antichrist).

Clarification. Democratic facade. Veiled fascism. Docile consumerism.

 

[Schwanke668]

Translation. Democracy is no longer and hasn't been for some time now, tailored for the average citizens best interest. Although it may seem that way at times by the new laws they pass. Most of it's actions are just for show or perhaps all are just residual affects of the benefits for the few very privileged elite citizens and conglomerates that "trickle down" to the mere relative peasantry. All money is blood money, electronic or 'paper'. The only reason we spend it is either because we don't know it; have too many responsibilities to do anything about it or luxuries to care. Or we're simply afraid to be shunned by the rest of society or even the government for being "radical"(bum, hippie, socialist, communist, anarchist, Antichrist).

Clarification. Democratic facade. Veiled fascism. Docile consumerism.

See all I see are propaganda statements: "Democracy is no longer" "most of the actions are just for show" "benefits for the few very priviledged elite" and "conglomerates" "all money is blood money" et c etc..

None of that is real or true but if I say that your just going to say the exact same thing with a different string of slogans and sayings from the cliche freedom movement. Fight the power! Fight the man! Say no to big business! Etc.... You didnt actually say anything new your just repeating the same statements over and over again using different strings of emotional anti 'The Man' sayings.

I dont see any CONTENT or THOUGHT I just see emotion. Very big "I am upset because the government isnt doing things the way I think it should be done" emotions. If you think the government should be doing things differently then run for a public office, dont sit around wasting time doing drugs.

I'll keep tryin but so far you havnt actually said anything to respond to, its just emotion. Emotions are valid but you dont comment on emotions. What do I say? "Your emotions are illfounded. You dont actually feel that way." No. Every emotion is a valid emotion and you have a right to feel upset by the way the government is treating you but so far you havnt given any real examples of how the government is doing it wrong your just saying they are doing it wrong and repeating sayings that were popular during the 60s lol.

 

[Iersuko]

They aren't emotions. I've never even read anything on any of the movements and the only "fight the power" slogan that I can recall was from a Public Enemy song. What I have done is assessed historical facts and empathized with both politicians and moguls of the past and present. Have you?

 

[Iersuko]

I'll make this a little easier for you. Read the Elkhorn Manifesto. Ask yourself what would stop them from continual government manipulation and possible suppression for capital gain. Holla back.

Bias aside the logic is undeniable....

 

[Crimzen]

lol nvm then schwanke
its kind of like sifting through vibration..

 

[Schwanke668]

They aren't emotions. I've never even read anything on any of the movements and the only "fight the power" slogan that I can recall was from a Public Enemy song. What I have done is assessed historical facts and empathized with both politicians and moguls of the past and present. Have you?

I think part of the problem is your developing all these 'wonderful new ideas' for yourself when in fact they have all been thought before you just havnt come across them. By the fact that you dont know what 'The Man' is proves it. Everything youve been saying has been discussed 1000s of times in a variety of areas of society about 'The Man' and 'The Powers' and 'Government' and 'Big Business' its all the same story over and over again.

I think just somehow you havnt come across it before in that flavor if you will.

Btw, I did this once myself in college during my soul searching. I was searching and searching and searching for an understanding of reality and I developed this really deep personal system of spiritual beliefs and though "I am gunna change the world! I figured it out!" then I came across a book on Taoism and the first 40 or 50 pages just wrote what I had figured out on my own. Nothing new. I had 'heard of Taoism' but never understood it. Yet I rediscovered it and then found out that this big grand reveleation was the introductory chapter in a basic handbook on a religion/faith/philosophy 1000times larger.

Did almost the same thing again several months later when I got saved. Spent all this time figuring out theology on my own and trying to understand "God" and 'Religion" and so forth and went "AHH! I GET IT! THIS IS GREAT" then read one passage on one page of the bible and saw everything that I figured out on my own spelled out in simple basic terms.

On the one hand its great to have these revelations because it shows your growing but on the other hand it can be deflating when someone points out "Hey. Thats great. But dont get too full of yourself. Your just rehashing age old beliefs/theology/whatever."

So yeah. I stick by what I said. Your just discovering for yourself the basic concepts of "The Man" and "Fight the Power" and "Freedom Movement" and so forth. Hope it helps you move forward but please dont get caught up in thinking too much about this being some grand revelation thats gunna change the world. It didnt 50 years ago its not gunna start now.

 

[Iersuko]

They aren't emotions. I've never even read anything on any of the movements and the only "fight the power" slogan that I can recall was from a Public Enemy song. What I have done is assessed historical facts and empathized with both politicians and moguls of the past and present. Have you?

I think part of the problem is your developing all these 'wonderful new ideas' for yourself when in fact they have all been thought before you just havnt come across them. By the fact that you dont know what 'The Man' is proves it. Everything youve been saying has been discussed 1000s of times in a variety of areas of society about 'The Man' and 'The Powers' and 'Government' and 'Big Business' its all the same story over and over again.

I think just somehow you havnt come across it before in that flavor if you will.

Btw, I did this once myself in college during my soul searching. I was searching and searching and searching for an understanding of reality and I developed this really deep personal system of spiritual beliefs and though "I am gunna change the world! I figured it out!" then I came across a book on Taoism and the first 40 or 50 pages just wrote what I had figured out on my own. Nothing new. I had 'heard of Taoism' but never understood it. Yet I rediscovered it and then found out that this big grand reveleation was the introductory chapter in a basic handbook on a religion/faith/philosophy 1000times larger.

Did almost the same thing again several months later when I got saved. Spent all this time figuring out theology on my own and trying to understand "God" and 'Religion" and so forth and went "AHH! I GET IT! THIS IS GREAT" then read one passage on one page of the bible and saw everything that I figured out on my own spelled out in simple basic terms.

On the one hand its great to have these revelations because it shows your growing but on the other hand it can be deflating when someone points out "Hey. Thats great. But dont get too full of yourself. Your just rehashing age old beliefs/theology/whatever."

So yeah. I stick by what I said. Your just discovering for yourself the basic concepts of "The Man" and "Fight the Power" and "Freedom Movement" and so forth. Hope it helps you move forward but please dont get caught up in thinking too much about this being some grand revelation thats gunna change the world. It didnt 50 years ago its not gunna start now.

I never said I discovered anything for anyone else.
I was never inflated to begin with.

Could you see where some people could draw these conclusions or do you think everything that happens in the world is by coincidence?

 

[Schwanke668]

I never said I discovered anything for anyone else.
I was never inflated to begin with.

Could you see where some people could draw these conclusions or do you think everything that happens in the world is by coincidence?

Maybe we are having english language issues too. I didnt say you discovered anything FOR anyone else I said you discovered stuff already discovered BY someone else. That is to say that what you are discovering has already been discovered and discussed countless times.

As for inflated most people who are inflated dont know they are inflated until they deflate and even then it takes humility to really accept the deflating vsus passing it off as 'thats not what I am going through'.

Its a catch 22 though because even me saying that isnt going to change your mind if your trapped in that and there is no way that I can prove it to you if you are. You just need to come to that realization on your own as well.

And which conclusions? I can see how people draw these conclusions. Like Ive been saying they have been drawn thousands of times. The thing is that there isnt anything useful you can do with them. So they have been concluded? Now what? The ONLY solution to actually do anything WITH the conclusions is to do what someone else suggested which is to go off on your own and live away from any use of currency. That means grow your own food, cut down trees and build your own house, no running water unless your darn good at rigging up mechanical things from a stream or lake or something. No internet. No gas, gotta do all fire burning or coal burning provided you can make your own coal, back to outhouses and shit pits.

The ONLY way to do anything ABOUT the conclusions you reach from 'The Man' theology is to leave society COMPLETELY because 'The Man' as people who have been discussing this stuff for decades permeates everything. The second you pick up ANY piece of currency your immediately contributing to 'The Man' way of living. You have to go back to a 100% barter system because even if you develop your own currency you then start recreating 'The Man' in your image all over again.

 

[Iersuko]

True. We'll agree to disagree here then.

 

[Schwanke668]

Yeah pretty much. Gladly we finally agree to agree to disagree hehe.

 

[Iersuko]

Just curious Shwanke..

..The only reason we spend it is either because we don't know it; have too many responsibilities to do anything about it or luxuries to care. Or we're simply afraid to be shunned by the rest of society or even the government for being "radical"(bum, hippie, socialist, communist, anarchist...

..for the record, which are you?

 

[Schwanke668]

Huh? Which am I what? I'm me. Thats all I try to be.

 

[Iersuko]

You're a slave. I'm a slave we're all slaves. I'll prove it.

Who do you work for?

Trick question. You work for no one. You work for a thing. The thing is money.

When slaves toiled in fields those hot hot summers so many summers ago, did they have to pay a light or a candle bill when they went back home? No?

Did they have to pay rent or a mortgage for the shelter? No?

Did they have to buy their own food or pay for water services? No?

Clothes? No again?

This may be news for some people but slaves worked for free(no money) under inhumane conditions more often than not, granted,  and were beaten for reading, trying to run away or for so much as looking "massa" in the eye.
Us paying for things that slaves got for free makes us no better if not worse off than them in the grand scheme of things. Our massa is gonna be able to start charging us for air soon due to pollution. 

You can shine shit n call it gold all you want but it's still shit. We're all still slaves... Our massa is the dollar.

Individually we can do nothing but together if we tried we can kill it and be free... That's all I'm saying. I don't wanna change things for myself alone and just simply take myself out of the equation. That's selfish and if I desired a similar effect I would simply kill myself. I would like the whole world to see things how they really are and take appropriate action as if lives other than their own mattered.

 

[Iersuko]

Huh? Which am I what? I'm me. Thats all I try to be.

Lol thought you would have a tough time being honest with yourself :wink:
Money can buy material but not substance, eh Schwankey baby? :wink:

 

[Schwanke668]

Your doing that thing again lol. No clue what your saying or why your saying it yet your convinced you know what I am thinking lol. Just lettin ya know. I can tell when your getting into that mode so about 2 or three sentances into it I go "Yes dear, have a nice cup of tea and relax." to ya and move on.