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#1
This link was what I meant, I could swear I foud it here.

http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction

I know the guy who did this and he is trustworthy.

Next month I'll try to reproduce his experience.

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#2
That is very cool ! Also to see that the trip is much shorter just like with Aya and smoking DMT. Very interesting would like to try this myself too but where to get some good grade (cheap) ethanol ?
#3
Citation :Very interesting would like to try this myself too but where to get some good grade (cheap) ethanol ?

Oh yes, the elves impress me so too Smile
I should try this too Smile

I'm paying around 30€ for 1l of pure (96%) ethanol @ local pharmancy.
Not *realy* cheap but ok.
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#4
:O

This looks so easy? Oops I don't even have any extracting / 'scheikunde' experience...

If it really works this well: Sweet!!! 8) :lol:
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#5
Rutger a écrit :
That is very cool ! Also to see that the trip is much shorter just like with Aya and smoking DMT. Very interesting would like to try this myself too but where to get some good grade (cheap) ethanol ?


Not yet but rest assured that I will find out pretty soon Wink
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#6
the link doesn't work! could someone please explain in short words?
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#7
I don't know if it's allowed; but i downloaded the page; made a copyright file and zipped it onto my FTP for ya Smile

http://www.pumpkinhf.nl/psych/User_PKeffect.zip

Enjoy this nice work from him Wink
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#8
See if I get this right:

1. Put the pure grain (everclear) 190 proof alcohol in a jar.
2. Add 28 g of dried finely chopped mushrooms.
3. Place a rag on the bottom of a pan.
4. Place the jar with the fungi on the rag in the pan
5. Fill the pan with water.
6. Keep the water warm for 7 hours, heating up slowly. Don't let the alcohol boil.

Question about the next step: what's ment by straining and squeezing the fungal matter 3 times? Is meant pressing it through a sieve, making a porridge of the shroomchops? I guess so, 'cos the shrooms are very soft after boiling that long and there is less psilocybine lost, because of the larger surface.

7. So make a porridge of the fungal matter by pressing it through a sieve 3 times.
8. Put the porridge back in the alcohol.

I suggest leave it there for another hour, or do this step allready after 3 or 4 hours of boiling. The finer the shrooms are, the more psylocybine, I guess.

9. Filter through coffee filters many times while hot.

Question about the next step:
Citation :Finally reduced a bit then began evaping.
Why reducing? I'd say evaporate all the alcohol. There could be psylocine in the reduced alcohol. Or am I misunderstanding here?
Aha, there is some dark stuff floating on the alcohol according to the story, that needs to be poured off (thrown away) and is that what's ment by reducing a bit?
Citation :The elves told me they wanted to pour off the darker pure grain


10. Put the alcohol straining back in the jar and let it evaporate.
11. After a while you can pour off the darker stuff that's floating on top of the alcohol.
12. After almost all the alcohol is evaporated you can put the residue (crystals) in the freezer.
13. Wash the crystals in some fresh everclear while they are frozen.
14. Put into final resting place and add just enough fresh everclear to keep the crystals covered to store in the freezer.
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#9
Pazusu a écrit :
See if I get this right:
7. So make a porridge of the fungal matter by pressing it through a sieve 3 times.
8. Put the porridge back in the alcohol.


I'm totally new to extraction, but I thought at the points he mentioned here, he meant to push the shrooms remains on a sieve and put the stuff that goes -through- the sieve back in the alcohol, and throw the shroom remains away?

Please enlighten me Wink Because you will otherwise have a lot of shroomy remains at the end? :roll:
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#10
Is there somethijng wrong with the forum? I just posted a reply but its gone...

Anyway, press the material THROUGH the sieve effectively making the material in smaller pieces which extracts better. Thats how I read it.

Reducing the alcohol, I guess he means carefully heating the alcohol to slowly reduce it. Then, with a workable amount, let it evap in room temp. Not entirely sure but I already wrote the guy and am waiting for an answer Smile
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#11
Extraction is just a process that will get the "good stuff" out from the mushrooms. Its important to grind it up very good so you get as much contact surface between the liquid and the solid (in this case shrooms). With most extractions its rule that higher temperatures give a higer extraction amount so that is what is also done here.

In the first step normally about 50-60 % is already out the solid if you grind it up good and the temperature was high. For most of these extractions methanol is probably a better solvent but that is toxic and therefore harder to remove.

This process of extraction is normally repeated 3 times after which there is so little stuff in the solid that you can trow it away.

Each step you have to filter it so it that is probably where they use the sieve for, if you grind them up you probably better off with some sort of colth (cotton) or it will go trough the sieve.

Sorry for the Technomumbo, its just that I did this kind of things in school alot and most of these things are quite simple if you just follow some rules.
#12
HeartCore a écrit :
Anyway, press the material THROUGH the sieve effectively making the material in smaller pieces which extracts better. Thats how I read it.


Sounds logical, thanks. Smile Otherwise you'd just have a mush-thee I recon.

Rutger a écrit :
if you grind them up you probably better off with some sort of colth (cotton) or it will go trough the sieve


But then again... this is the opposite of what HeartCore said, ain't it? Oops
Trying to make sence of this great experiment 8)
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#13
How do you mean Kwarkfanaat ?

Just pointing out that if you have grinded them you need something with as a very find sieve, like a piece of cloth. I don't understand but I think its just me.
#14
There are two things I think:

1) Press all material THROUGH a sieve in order to ground it up more (=make porridge/pap) so extraction works better

2) AFTER extraction is done, filter/strain the material. Preferably through something like cheesecloth so you get a clean liquid with no plant material.

Something like this, I think.
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#15
Ok, now I get it , thought the sieve was for filtering, this is ofcourse not possible when you have a very fine powder. Is this cheesecloth very special or can you also use an old t-shirt or something ?
#16
so i plan on getting the shrooms today and i want to try this . has anyone done this yet
#17
so i plan on getting the shrooms today and i want to try this . has anyone done this yet
#18
UTHTURN a écrit :
so i plan on getting the shrooms today and i want to try this . has anyone done this yet


The guy who wrote the tek obviously did it Smile

I'm planning to try it in a few weeks after I'm done setting up my new growing chamber Smile
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#19
Oh yes, cheeseclothe very special.

It just doesn't absorb as much water/ moisture as a cloth t-shirt would. It allows the liquid to pass right through.

I don't know what you folks call it over there, but womens stockings/ pantyhose, would work just as well.
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#20
TheeLord! a écrit :
Citation :Very interesting would like to try this myself too but where to get some good grade (cheap) ethanol ?

I'm paying around 30€ for 1l of pure (96%) ethanol @ local pharmancy.
Not *realy* cheap but ok.


This is really cheap. I've paid €18 for 300 ml 96%

At the moment I'm doing a Thujone extraction, if I don't screw this up and my first or second flush of my new batch of shroomies is there, I'm deffinately gonna do this Happywide

And Brew, thanks for the tip, will go and look what the cheapest pantyhoses are Tounge
#21
I once found this website (dutch) that was selling al kind of wine and beer making equipment. There they sold ethanol I think for adding to homemade wine or something. The prices were pretty cheap. Ethanol is actually not that expensive but since its taxed in Holland you can only buy it in large quantities for companies and schools who have to sign some papers disclaiming that it will not be used for drinkable alcohol.
#22
Man bummer.... Ohw well, there is a chance a friend of mine is going to Poland, if he goes he will bring some "drinkable spirit" for about €1 per liter Happywide

So I'm hoping really hard he's going and otherwise he could ask someone.
Hope they can bring 5 or 10 bottles :twisted:
#23
Never thought of smoking psilocybin.. Smile I have searched around but it is difficult to find information on the effects. It seems to create mystical experiences when orally ingested in pills.. Any links about experiences?

Did find one: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26644
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#24
I have extracted psilocybin mushrooms using a method in a book called "The psilocybin producers guide" by Adam Gottlieb (1978) . The method uses methanol . I allso tried it with ethanol where the results were better . 96% ethanol is available in chemists in the EU - IF - you can convince the chemist that you have a legitimate reason , i pay 19 - 22 euros for a liter . Methanol is cheaper and easyer to get . The result with methanol is a yellow greasy partly crystalised gunk . Both work .......BUT you get ALOT less out than you put in . Psilocybin is not a very stable chemical when it has been extracted . It does not like heat or light or air , and getting the solvent of it usualy either ivolves heating it up or leaving it for days till it evaporates wich makes extraction expensive . Smoking it is theoreticaly possible but we are realy talking about vaporisation and the heat needed to vaporise psilocybin is near to the temperature that destroys it . The original link http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction says everything .


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#25
about a year ago or so I saw a picture/text extraction for psilocybin
and u could see the little crystals swirling around in the bottle
it looked very pretty Smile he didnt smoke it though ..
he just did it for the fun .. and its even easier use Smile and less physicalstuff
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#26
The one time that my chemist would not give me what i wanted was as i asked him for a liter of chloraform , he would only give me 200ml. So i made myself self employed (maybe thats not the right expression ) , = i got the papers to allow me to do buisness , ( it cost about 50 e. ) sent an order and a foto copy of it to a chemical wholesaler and he sent me what i wanted . He has asked me several times what i wanted certain things for . I always find out what legal things you can do with the chemicals i want so i am prepared in advance for his questions . I also wrote to merck , a very big chemical handler , under a false firm name and got sent their catalogs . My experience is that they wont suply things to make drugs with or legal tryptamines . They also sell all sorts of laboratory equipment , the catalog is full of things that will make an amateur chemist happy . It is expensive and often you have to buy in bulk . Ive been to hospitals and bought small things from staff when no one was looking ( used operation equipment , syrynges , small glass recepticals , kidney dishes ) . Other sources of equipment are university notice boards , students ofen sell things and big companys make chemistry and medical students cheep offers there .

Filtering is one of the harder , most frustrating , parts of extractions . Coffee filters are good but it takes a l-o-n-g time .

Try to find a brewing /wine making shop , they have fruit presses , hand and electric vacume pumps , filters , filter paper , gauzes and sieves at afordable prices . They also have synthetic sieve material wich has a very fine mesh wich can be used to sieve grass and make a sort of raw hash powder , wich you can press .



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#27
Thanks again for good info God Smile

Citation :Filtering is one of the harder , most frustrating , parts of extractions . Coffee filters are good but it takes a l-o-n-g time

A buchner funnel seems to be perfect for it.

As for smoking, basifiying supposedly makes that much easier. I still have to do the experiment myself though Smile
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#28
from http://deoxy.org/wiki/Mushrooms/Alkaloid_Extraction

Citation :Inexpensive dust-pollen masks make excellent filters for the slurry. These are available at hardware, drug and paint stores. They are usually white or tan colored, fit over the nose and mouth and are held on to the face by a rubber band attached to the filter. Fashion the filter over the mouth of a drinking glass. Squeeze the filter and slurry to extract the alcohol. There are many details to deal with, but doing it once reveals them all. Experience is the best teacher. Store the extracted alcohol in a fresh bottle.

ha ! great idea for a filter !

and about buchners:

buchner vacuum filtering works for a lot of filterings, but there is a (lower) limit to the particle size that will be stopped by the filter. This cannot be solved by using a filter with smaller holes because the rate of filtration grinds to a halt. You should keep in mind that a vacuum creates a pressure difference of at most 1 atm. To get the liquids flowing though very small pores filters, positive pressure > 1 atm is used. This is how plate (wine) filters work.
If I finally work out a cheap safe way to filter even the worst emulsion forming extracts, I'll post it online. so far no luck.
Every one should try it at least once. or twice.
#29
"Ohw well, there is a chance a friend of mine is going to Poland, if he goes he will bring some "drinkable spirit" for about 1E per liter"

Every year i read about 100s of people dying , geting brain damage or going blind because of drinking it . It ofen contains methanol and / or anti freeze . Stay away from it , you dont know whats in it . And i was under the impression that "ever clear" also has chemicals in it to stop you drinking it .

Aceton , sulphuric and hydrochloric acids can be bought in builders / do it yourself markets and car accesery shops . Hydrogen peroxid from hair dressers . Pet shops and grow shops also have lots of nice things for hobby chemists .

The paper i was talking about is called a "Gewerbeschein" in germany , wich you get at the "ortsamt".


"If I finally work out a cheap safe way to filter even the worst emulsion forming extracts, I'll post it online. so far no luck."

By natural extractions its better to de-fat it when you have your original solution than to try to extract things from an emulsion/gunk later .

What about baseing it or making it acid and using selective/specific or mixed solvents . And/or freeze it with ice spray , liquid Co2 and powdering it with a mortar and pesel before adding it to the solvent/s as powders go better into solution . I know that the ( ultraschall ?) vibrations a fridge makes helps dificult things to go into solution . Geting it better in solution with an ultraschall generator would help , they are not expensive in garden shops , esoteric shops or pet shops ( humidifiers ) . Just freezing things in a deep freeze at -20c and turning them upside down will allow the fats/oils to drip off .

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#30
Since New Year I decided not to smoke any substance anymore, (unless if it's DMT) just to save my lungs.


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