Where would we be

[IJesusChrist]

If our brains naturally had the chemical of salvia as a communicator?

 

[cockknocker]

I think we'd be sittin in the primordial stew staring at the slowly evolving possum

 

[Forkbender]

Everywhere.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

We'd all be Oompa Loompas, smoking a herb that gave us a 10 minute human experience.

 

[random]

I think we would act much like bumper cars. Or bumper monkeys.

 

[TheBarn]

...Monkey Tennis?

 

[mrvn]

Then we would talk in visuals.

 

[Brugmansia]

I do believe with the passage of time, consciousness eventually constructs a sustainable perception of orientation which is appropriate and applicable to navigate through purpose.

When the human vision is born, reality is seen upside down the 1st 4 days, but our brains adapt and convert this into the most appropriate orientation for proper navigation.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Brug, that was a pretty good answer, I didn't even think of that.

We would obviously have different reactions, intentions, and motivations I do believe however.

Salvia is so strong though I really don't think you could live a full week.

 

[Psyolopher]

Everywhere.

That made sense to me aswell.

 

[Arcticpheonix]

I do believe with the passage of time, consciousness eventually constructs a sustainable perception of orientation which is appropriate and applicable to navigate through purpose.

When the human vision is born, reality is seen upside down the 1st 4 days, but our brains adapt and convert this into the most appropriate orientation for proper navigation.

+1

I have to agree 100%. The amount of information our brain already interprets (especially ego games, etc.) must overwhelm a newborn, but the body/mind adapts to process the new information. We learn, we adapt, and we move on to find another challenge. The very base command of the human computer is to grow and evolve.

@Brugmansia: I never knew that about the human vision! Where did you learn that?

 

[????????]

^the image that is formed at the retinas passes through a lens so it gets inverted, just like in cameras, and the brain learns to flip it.

 

[Affirmatory]

I heard they did a study where they made some glasses that flips your vision upside down and made people wear them for a few weeks, and the mind adapts again and the subjects were seeing the right way up. When they took the glasses off everything was upside down again and it took a few weeks to re-adapt.

I was told this at school.

 

[buffachino]

Well the receptor complex to which salvinorins bind is endogenous, so there must be some ligand which activates them in the body; if not, then such receptors are vestigial traces of when this system was once active.
So the kappa opioid receptor must play some role in neurotransmission, in the past or the present.

If the human organism did (or does) utilise such a neurotransmitter endogenously, the difference between a natural condition with or without its presence would be unnoticeable, even if it were an adaptation.
This is because subjectively, the hypothetical ‘baseline’ of consciousness doesn’t change; both conditions are endogenous.

Even if it were only active in certain circumstances (such as in accordance with emotional changes like fear or love) the experience elicited by it, despite the conditions under which it is active, still amount to elements of ‘normal’ function. That is, the association with the state is implicative with that of the organism.

The change in relation is only noticeable when you assume its causation is exogenous, as in a drug. This also assumes a distinction between organism and the environment, and free-will outside determinism.
Ultimately, it comes down to the referential sense of self.

This has particular relevance with psychedelics, because they dissolve the psychological boundary between self and other.

It’s like saying that a person who was born to see all colour inverted (from the assumed spectrum) would be aware of a difference between their own perception and that of another; to them the words denoting colour have an entirely different set of values, but this makes no difference in how they perceive or communicate their perception. It comes back to the assumption of the noumenon, or that absolute truth exists.

This denotes that all drug experiences are in fact endogenous and the idea of a drug is a placebo, or formality, for the occurrence of the experience, in order to preserve the illusion of an individual self.

 

[Forkbender]

When they took the glasses off everything was upside down again and it took a few weeks to re-adapt.

I would like to try this. The transitions would be interesting.

It doesn't take weeks to readjust, though, just a few hours to a few days depending on how long you wear the glasses.

 

[restin]

I heard they did a study where they made some glasses that flips your vision upside down and made people wear them for a few weeks, and the mind adapts again and the subjects were seeing the right way up. When they took the glasses off everything was upside down again and it took a few weeks to re-adapt.

I head that as well. Perception is fucking interesting.

 

[mysticwarrior]

I heard they did a study where they made some glasses that flips your vision upside down and made people wear them for a few weeks, and the mind adapts again and the subjects were seeing the right way up. When they took the glasses off everything was upside down again and it took a few weeks to re-adapt.

I head that as well. Perception is fucking interesting.

The last time i tripped i must have closed my eyes for at least 2 hours and then when i opened them, i saw everything up and down and it was if i came to a hole, back on earth. It was quite shocking.

 

[buffachino]

I heard they did a study where they made some glasses that flips your vision upside down and made people wear them for a few weeks, and the mind adapts again and the subjects were seeing the right way up. When they took the glasses off everything was upside down again and it took a few weeks to re-adapt.

This begs the question whether there is a right way up.

 

[restin]

...which begs to the question if anything is absolute at all. We live in the age of relativity, neither the earth nor the sun (and hence nor man) are center of the universe, we have come to the conclusion that there is no center (and hence no absolute values to base anything on). Foolish. Everything is relative is a misconcept.

 

[Brugmansia]

http://www.physlink.com/Education/askExperts/ae353.cfm