What's your general feeling about China?

[tryptonaut]

Amongst every group of people, there is always someone who is just dislikeable. The same goes for peoples and states I guess... I don't know China well, but everything I hear from there makes the Chinese more disagreeable to me.

I try to be open-minded and everything, but with China it doesn't help. I just don't like their attitude.

 

[Lion]

What is it you disagree about then?

 

[Meduzz]

I've been there when I was 12.
General feeling: ants.
(Although the Japanese are more like that; a high-tech insect hive.)

Sorry if this offends, but this is my image that has been formed with the small bits of info that reached me.

 

[spice]

My general feeling about China?

REALLLLYYY??????????

Ok, that they are about the same as the US, a lot of greedy ass powermongers who aren't going to change, except for the worse.

I am not speaking of the PEOPLE of China, but to the REGIME.

Politically, they are just like a little kid who emulates his older brother...wanting to be just like him... and, unfortunately, America is Big Brother.

We have set a HORRIBLE example for them to follow, and we definitely are going to experience 'karmic effect' on the way our heavy-handed, pea-brained 'leaders' have taught them, BY EXAMPLE, on how to carry themselves and present themselves to the rest of the world..... what's the message?

MIGHT=RIGHT

Government officials = No accountability

Human Rights= minimal

China is going to be the America of the 21st century. I believe they are on the ascent, and we are on the decline, as a social civilization.

It is a fairly closed society, and somewhat inscrutable to the typical westernized thinker, but it is one of the oldest civilizations in the world,
and must have many aspects to it's culture that no Westrner ever sees, unless immersed in it.

I have negative feelings about the governing body, but not the people. Unlike America, which I have experience with, I can't call the Chinese populace a bunch of complacent morons addicted to PS2
and Big Macs, even though that may be true.

Chinese philosophy is some of the deepest thinking I have ever encountered, and there are definitely positive aspects of the culture.

Just not on a political angle.

 

[Brugmansia]

 

[HeartCore]

Before I stopped eating meat, I enjoyed Chinese food a lot.

Besides that, I agree with Spice.

 

[Rymmen]

It scares me to think that comparatively, the US government is awesome.

 

[spice]

Rymmen, if you mean that in an academic sense, yes.....our government is probably the peak, IF the constitution and the principles elucidated in it were still what ran the country.....


But as far as practicality?

No, I don't think our government is all that awesome. Our idiot president has gotten the whole world to hate us, all because he and his Halliburton master won't get with the program and LET GO OF THE OIL.

I don't have anything against an Iraqi, Iranian, or any other Moslem, yet they all feel justified in waging war on the West because a special interest group which represents a miserable fraction of a fraction of our population has basically forced them to.

I'm not a sympathizer, but GOD-DAMN, it's work.

 

[Rymmen]

Comparatively.

 

[HeartCore]

Comparatively?

Saddam Hoessein was a great guy compared to Bush....something like that?

 

[tryptonaut]

What is it you disagree about then?

The "everything belongs to us" attitude, the disrespect for human beings in general, the disrespect for the environment and animals ("if we believe it is an aphrodisiac we don't care if we extinct the whole species").

A friend of mine has been working in Shanghai for two weeks and he said his taxi driver hit a cyclist and didn't even think about stopping the car or caring at all because the general attitude is "this was just a simple worker, we have enough of them!"
From what he told me everybody always says "yes, we can do that. In two days, yes, of course!" But they don't care about the contract they signed, all they do is hire their friends and relatives so they can have a share of your money. They don't give a fuck about you or the product.

I know it's not the people in general, but it seems they are all raised to be egoistic, disrespectful motherfuckers and feel good about it.

Politically, they are just like a little kid who emulates his older brother...wanting to be just like him... and, unfortunately, America is Big Brother.

Only that the little brother tries hard to be a lot "better" than the big brother and does so without scruples.
I know people in Europe and the US also do egoistic and disrespectful things, but there is still a common consensus that it's not right. This common consensus doesn't seem to be existing in China. You hit a cyclist with your car and kill him - so what? Nobody minds, not even the police.

 

[Dantediv86]

Amen
or in Chinese "Tien Amen"

did i actually say that aranoid:

 

[Guest]

well IMHO, this is almost becoming a racist thread. you have been speaking of the chinese, and not china!
china is growing,, like india or brasil. in the last case scenario, we are the ones to blame, because we, as europeans and americans, have been supporting and encouraging capitalism, let it be disguised in monarchies, republics, totalitarianisms or communisms. back in the days when the steam engine was invented, capitalism was already big. we infected every civilization with it, if we did not killed/supplanted them. china is doing this because of money. they need to produce, because we buy it. they have cheap labor, and therefore can acheive incredible low prices, even if it implies sacrificing quality.
guitars, for example, have lowered their quality because all major manufacturers moved their factories to china, or vietman, or laos, etc. that's what i know and am certain by experience.
now, if chinese people are rude, or they don't care for human rights, that's their culture. we started this human rights thing. now we judge them because we know it is "right" - that is typical of european people. we think of something and make everyone belive it as well. china was never famous for protecting the masses, or having great respect for humans. check it history and you will see, far beyond of the massacre that happened in the great wall, known amongst the general public. we shouldn't judge them because they belive in things different from ours. the main thing we have to complain about it the pollution and disrespect of the earth and the climate, because it "belongs" to everyone, not just the human beings, but every organism.

 

[Forkbender]

I don't have a 'general' feeling on China.

There are positive aspects and negative aspects in everything. Period.

 

[spice]

tryptonaut said:

"The "everything belongs to us" attitude, the disrespect for human beings in general, the disrespect for the environment and animals ("if we believe it is an aphrodisiac we don't care if we extinct the whole species"). "

America DEFINITELY embodies the 'everything belongs to us' mentality. Sending men off to die in an unjustified war ( we seem to be mastering that behaivour) = disrespect for humanity, and environmental disrespect is RAMPANT in this country, but people are too stupid, generally, to recognize it as a problem. Look, when your government licenses Exxon to pump several hundred TONS of pollutants in the air, LEGALLY, there is some greedy ignorance plaguing it....and animals?

ummm, let's see.....how do I reply to that? McDonalds, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Wal-Mart, Taco Hell, and just about any food service industry you can think of.

Disrespectful? That is sugar-coating it. It's downright DEMONIC.


...and everyone that sits on their ass and accepts it willingly, well, you get what you deserve, man, hope you have some KY jelly.

 

[Brugmansia]

I don't have a 'general' feeling on China.

There are positive aspects and negative aspects in everything. Period.

But often with a lack of balance.

 

[Forkbender]

I don't have a 'general' feeling on China.

There are positive aspects and negative aspects in everything. Period.

But often with a lack of balance.

What is the 'right' balance between good and bad?

 

[spice]

That depends on the context.

Generally, you have to recognize what 'bad' is, and come to a consensual agreement to move in the other direction.

Since greed s a way of life is drummed into all of us at the earliest opportunity, many of us worship at its altar, whether we are conscious of it or not.

There is a difference in having enough resources to be comfortable and happy, and getting on your knees for capitalistic domination.

People will eventually get it, I believe.

 

[tryptonaut]

well IMHO, this is almost becoming a racist thread. you have been speaking of the chinese, and not china!

Every Chinese person is a person just like everybody else in the world. But when the problem seems to be a general attitude, an upbringing and education that turns the people into egocentric assholes (but who still blindly believe everything their leaders say) - then I can't only talk about the Chinese government, then it's "the Chinese" I'm talking about.
I don't say they can't change, but sadly I don't see it coming in the next future.

 

[Guest]

of course they won't change, just like we don't change.
we are judging them by OUR standards!
we, as europeans, are egocentric as well. we said: "everyone is equal in its rights and duties". do you know why this idea has come up ?
.....or do you think that in one beautiful day, the french woke up and took down the bastille just because they were feeling bored ?
chinese are chinese, and that's part of their culture. no one never bothered with it, but now that they are turning into a super-power, suddently they have to be like us ?