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Here is a text from a flyer I received today. It is originally in German and I translated it...

"Our kids are nowadays confronted with various problems and have to learn solving and coping with them.

Because of multiple factors (stress at school or at home, nutritional problems, bad teachers, body problems,...) children and teenagers increasingly show symptoms that are explained by the psychiatry as ADHS,ADS,bipolar disorder, learning disorder, mathematical disorders, disorder of writing,...

Since the middle of he 80's, the psychiatry (and the pharmaindustry) concentrate increasingly on making children and teenagers to be their patients resp. clients. 1987, the APA (American Psychiatry Association) voted the diagnosis ADHS into life. One year later, already 500'000 children were diagnosed with that "disorder". Nowadays, there are worldwide more than 20 million children and teenagers that have been diagnosed my psychiatrists, doctors or psychologists with ADHS or another variety of disorder. The psychiatrial solution therefore is (although there is much talk about alternatives) in over 90% of the cases psychotropic drugs.

The myth of chemical imbalance

The psychiatry justifies the use of psychotropic drugs with the statement, that ADHS is based on a chemical imbalance in the brain. But there is worldwide no single study that proves this theory. Dr. David Kaiser, a well-known psychiatrists, expresses that clearly: "Patients are diagnosed with a chemical imbalance although there are no studies that prove this statement and there are no concrete concepts of how a correct chemical balance should look like"

(...) (a paragraph that states that psychotripic drugs are similar to cocaine)

(...) (a paragraph that states that after dropping the use, the symptoms come back again)

(...) (a paragraph that states that violence is increased because of psychotropic drugs)

The Solution

Undesired or hyperactive behaviour can have many reasons e.g. Allergies, nutritional supplement (Nahrungszusätze?), taking of concrete meds, Environmental poisons, sugar problems, lack of sleep, excessive TV-consumation, lack of sport and possibilities to live out the activity potential, learning problems or simple boredom at lessons because of the high intelligence or creativity of the pupil."
 
Where does the flyer come from ? Who wrote and printed it ?
 
Was ist CCHR?
Die Citizens Commission on Human Rights

Die "Citizens Commission on Human Rights" (CCHR) wurde 1969 von Mitgliedern der Scientology Kirche und Professor in Psychiatrie Dr. Thomas Szasz gegründet, um psychiatrische Verletzungen der Menschenrechte zu untersuchen und aufzudecken und um das Feld der geistigen Heilung in Ordnung zu bringen.


I believe a lot of children today are diagnosed with psychological illness and get medication for it while it's often better to try and help them without medication.
But i think this website and movie (you have them in a lot of different languages as far as i know) are on the other extreme.

I like the middle way :)
 
I still want to read the book by Dr. Thomas Szasz, called the myth of mental illness. I found it somewhere in a bookstore more then a year ago but my still-to-read-list is growing faster then i'm reading..

btw: English version of the website/organisation --> http://www.cchr.org/

At the bottom of the page you can choose even more different languages.
 
Oh God, I didn't see it was scientology stuff :?


But i think this website and movie (you have them in a lot of different languages as far as i know) are on the other extreme.

Oh, I forgot to say that...yes, I also think this is true. There is no real reason of condamning whole psychology for corrupt associations and doctors.

I think it is sad that people think that science needs exact definitions. I mean, physics has its laws but as soon as you go deeper, everything goes mad :D And expecially the human mind is more complex that anything you can imagine. And if someone has a depression and wants helps, he deserves it...
 
Its another atempt by sciantologists to get a foot in through the back door , similar to the german nazis who are now entering play grounds at schools dressed in clothes that look like alternative people wear giving free music cds away . First you hook them then you stear them in the direction you want .

The story does contain usefull ideas , the difficulty for most people is to separate the ideas from the pseudo facts and the propoganda .
 
The story does contain usefull ideas , the difficulty for most people is to separate the ideas from the pseudo facts and the propoganda .

I agree. Therefore this flyer is a useful additional information.
 
restin a dit:
The story does contain usefull ideas , the difficulty for most people is to separate the ideas from the pseudo facts and the propoganda .

I agree. Therefore this flyer is a useful additional information.

I think it's safe to throw the whole thing away - there is no baby in this water. It's just Scientology.
 
"Therefore this flyer is a useful additional information."

False logic . I didnt say that . Some of the ideas that are presented are worth thinking about and investigating , but with information from independant , reliable sources , and one would have to be objective and not get fooled by pseudo facts and scientologist propoganda .

The reason why its been done and is so dangerous is because it is based on legitimate theorys about why doctors prescribe kids useless drugs that dont solve the problem and only mask symptoms .
 
You read "Scientology" and you have already forgotten the text.

What I extract from the text is, that we have to see on the environmental impacts, such as teachers, family if we see a child having "disorders" instead of giving it meds once and for all.

Reasonable schepticism.
 
restin a dit:
You read "Scientology" and you have already forgotten the text.

What I extract from the text is, that we have to see on the environmental impacts, such as teachers, family if we see a child having "disorders" instead of giving it meds once and for all.

Reasonable schepticism.

Come at it from your own angle. Their angle is brain washing.

They'll tell you an apple is an apple, and you'll question them, then you will agree.
They'll tell you an orange is an orange, and you'll question then, then you will agree.
Next they will tell you a pear is a pear and you'll believe them because they were always right before!
Then they will tell you because an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange and a pear is a pear that means an apple is an orange and a pear is a banana and you will no longer be used to questioning them.

There are plenty of people that question these things. If Scientology parrots other people's facts to get the limelight, they deserve to be ignored.

Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

If this subject interests you it would be wise to find a reputable source.
 
I am refering to this particular text. I have no other connections with Scientology, even this one was very accidental (I will be more careful next time). I was referring to the text as having parts of the truth and NOT scientology. Look only at the text, it is interesting, question some parts, extract what is right.

Stop riding on me. That annoys me.
 
restin a dit:
I am refering to this particular text. I have no other connections with Scientology, even this one was very accidental (I will be more careful next time). I was referring to the text as having parts of the truth and NOT scientology. Look only at the text, it is interesting, question some parts, extract what is right.

Stop riding on me. That annoys me.

No personal connection to the "you" that you see yourself as was intended so you have no reason to be annoyed.

God is right though - they will sneak their agenda in underneath other people's facts - it is an interesting discussion that I would like to continue, with or without an alternative paper to discuss - I just will not give credence to this one.

It's not personal - it's just they cannot be trusted and it is so easy for a mind to absorb their lies, I would rather separate myself from them. The discussion is interesting still.
 
Subtle_Nod a dit:
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
Well it appears to be one of those times imo.
 
ok, I am chilled now.

I thought you connected your post to mine because you quoted it (@ Subtle). Sorry for this mistake.

I do very agree with you, that you can be absorbed into a stream of lies by a group,like scientology, and begin to live their lies. Dealing with such groups is very dangerous. I didn't know the source of the text until Icelus refered to it. I thought it to be an interesting text but I surely will stay away from people giving out flyers on the streets.

Reputable sources: yes I will and I am. I am at the moment reading psychological books for a quite long essay on Obedience and Authority. If you are interested I will give it to you to read (but it won't be finished until earliest at the end of the year ;))
 
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whatever the leader says, right????? :weedman:


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i have a novel idea for psychiatrists

maybe ADD kids just aren't interested with what people have to say?

maybe schizophrenics went mad because they're dogmatic about their beliefs, and not very picky with them, either. IE, they're not 'smart'

fuck...

i have insomnia right now

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO FIX IT?
 
For me, a joint helps a lot.

Have you got a depression?
 
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