STOP scapegoating Timothy Leary and the Counterculture!!

[zezt]

What really gells me to J.M.Allegro's theories is his explaining the biblical myth of 'God made flesh' and the motif of 'virgin born' etc

it far more fits a mushroom than it does a plant. For one, they didn't know about spores as they had no microscopes, so assumed that mushrooms miraculously appeared. So for psychoactive mushrooms, like the Mazetecs idea of 'God's Flesh' being their shrroms so it would be for the early Christians

'Thunderborn'. it all fits SO well, if it WASN'T 'right' it is--get me?

Just found this searching for amanita muscaria experience reports

Aint read it myself yet but looks quite interesting so I am linking it here:

AMANITA MUSCARIA:
Mycopharmalogical Outline and Personal Experiences by Francesco Testi and Antonio Bianchi

http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16317

 

[GOD]

"I checked Randi's claim. I need to have my claim presented to the media first, and I need an academic too. " - "I have learned from a professional chemist"

Couldnt he help you and be the academic witness for you so you could get the 1,000,000$ from Randi ???

"not believing clever dick GOD"

Thats what ignorant people say who cant think , have no experience , no arguments , no evidence and have only read web shit and a few out of date books that they didnt understand . Either start to be less vain and insulting or i personaly think it would be better if you left us for good .

 

[Vlad]

"I checked Randi's claim. I need to have my claim presented to the media first, and I need an academic too. " - "I have learned from a professional chemist"

Couldnt he help you and be the academic witness for you so you could get the 1,000,000$ from Randi ???

No, he hasn't responded to emails in over a year and I'm sure he wouldn't do it out of principle. The alchemical materials are not something to popularize and commercialize. You don't sell the blood and body of christ for hard dollars.

 

[zezt]

"I checked Randi's claim. I need to have my claim presented to the media first, and I need an academic too. " - "I have learned from a professional chemist"

Couldnt he help you and be the academic witness for you so you could get the 1,000,000$ from Randi ???

"not believing clever dick GOD"

Thats what ignorant people say who cant think , have no experience , no arguments , no evidence and have only read web shit and a few out of date books that they didnt understand . Either start to be less vain and insulting or i personaly think it would be better if you left us for good .

It is not for no reason you chose the tag 'GOD' you pillock. You really do doncha?I already told you before,. I do not suffer fools gladly and would ignore you if you carried on with your obnoxious BS. I see you cant help your arrogant self. So I will. From now on I will post when I like at MY fukin thread, and hope someone with some intelligence will join me in exploration.

 

[GOD]

What are you going to post next ? , that i have a small dick ? , that i fuck children and animals ? , that i`m bad in bed ?

Please answer my questions , offer proof or rational arguments about what i said and your opinions and not childish sick insults .

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell . Why did you write that if you cant acept it ?

Please stop trying to provoke me and please stop trying cause trouble .

 

[spice]

" You don't sell the blood and body of christ for hard dollars."

Oh, the irony. We have come full circle in this topic, and are standing at the gate where Tim Leary and Aldous Huxley stood, wondering who deserves to be woke up. There is clearly a fork in the road here,

Who is to say that 'this' group should have it and 'that' group shouldn't?

I am not being argumentative here, but speculating on a genuine philosophical dilemma.


It opens up a humongous can of worms......does everyone 'deserve' enlightenment?

Does everyone *want* it?

Who 'controls' the access to it?

Why?

When?

If it can't be given away, how do you ascribe monetary value to enlightenment?

......since we, as a species, seem to have real problems with the concept of
'giving', then it probably should be available, even if for sale, to those who want it......perhaps if enough people take it, and it does all these things, then we can divest ourselves of the competitive urge to sell things to each other all the time....we can actually *evolve* some more.

I don't have to be imbibing anything new to make the statement that our endless desire to profit off of helping each other is the number one thing standing in the way of peace and contentment on this planet.

It is beaten into us from the time we can form sentences, so why wouldn't ANYTHING be for sale?

Why do we act surprised that it would be for sale?

As Maslow said;

" When the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything like a nail "

 

[zezt]

What are you going to post next ? , that i have a small dick ? , that i fuck children and animals ? , that i`m bad in bed ?

Please answer my questions , offer proof or rational arguments about what i said and your opinions and not childish sick insults .

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act ~ George Orwell . Why did you write that if you cant acept it ?

Please stop trying to provoke me and please stop trying cause trouble .

It was not me trying to cause trouble mate. You ARE! Your attitude from about 2nd or third post (you seemed alright our first meeting at these threads) cant remember, took on a very insulting (VERY)...tone, and I didn't report you, and said I would ignore you if you carried on such disrespect.

But your whole manner here is overbearing and NOT in the spirit of exploring. You just wanna bash people down with your so-called truth.
Who the hell dya think you are?
I am trying to ignore you. But if you persiist carrying on like this I will see if I can report you.
You prevent the flow and create bad vibes all round.

 

[Forkbender]

It was not me trying to cause trouble mate. You ARE!

I don't want to get mixed in these sorts of debates, but it was actually you who said that GOD contradicted himself and felt offended by his rightful defense in which he shows how you misinterpreted his statements (see page 4).

 

[zezt]

It was not me trying to cause trouble mate. You ARE!

I don't want to get mixed in these sorts of debates, but it was actually you who said that GOD contradicted himself and felt offended by his rightful defense in which he shows how you misinterpreted his statements (see page 4).

yes, dont get mixed up in it!

 

[zezt]

It was not me trying to cause trouble mate. You ARE!

I don't want to get mixed in these sorts of debates, but it was actually you who said that GOD contradicted himself and felt offended by his rightful defense in which he shows how you misinterpreted his statements (see page 4).

So you see no harm in his attitude towards me. You think it is justified. You who are the moderator?
So what shoudl I do? He is trying to impose his views over this . Did you see his first attack on me? : "You have insulted me and hurt me very deeply for less than no reason . If you are a man and honest you will apologise to me . If not FUCK OFF AND DIE VERY SLOWLY AND VERY PAINFULLY .

I`m now so upset i`m sitting with a baseball bat in my hand crying , shouting and hitting things with it . Usualy that lasts for about three days untill i can calm down and acept that there is such hipocritical , disshonest and bigoted shit like you walking around free and not in a psychiatric hospital where you belong . Thanks , and i hope you have a nice day........

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what the hell am I supposed to do with THAT? I didn't report him then, but surely ANY moderated forum can see that kind of attack on another member is not cool, and should be warned about.
His following attitude is obviously coloured by this.

What do you suggest should happen?

 

[Forkbender]

I started laughing at the words "baseball bat". Take everything GOD says with a grain of salt, most of what he says is just to stimulate you to think about false presuppositions or prejudices, not a direct attack on what you belief or think. It can seem very critical, but don't take it personally, because it isn't. You look for something that isn't there and find it by colouring the picture with your own judgment.

What do you suggest should happen?

I think we can resolve this issue very easily if you answer his questions (on topic questions, that is, ignore his indirect directness).

 

[zezt]

I started laughing at the words "baseball bat". Take everything GOD says with a grain of salt, most of what he says is just to stimulate you to think about false presuppositions or prejudices, not a direct attack on what you belief or think. It can seem very critical, but don't take it personally, because it isn't. You look for something that isn't there and find it by colouring the picture with your own judgment.

What do you suggest should happen?

I think we can resolve this issue very easily if you answer his questions (on topic questions, that is, ignore his indirect directness).

Well you may be amused because I dont see him talking to YOU like that--if I do I may laugh too, and see how ya like it--nor anyone else!!

I dont know really how to proceed then if that is the moderating style of this forum. Who owns it, and I'll have a word with them?

 

[Forkbender]

There were many people here that were on the receiving end before you.

I wasn't amused first, after the bit with the capitals, but GOD fooled me. I realised only with the baseball bat and the crying that he wasn't serious (which made me laugh, because he had fooled me). But please go ahead and laugh if GOD insults someone who isn't you. I won't stop you

You are just as powerful as GOD to stop this silly discussion, so why don't you take responsibility?

 

[zezt]

There were many people here that were on the receiving end before you.

I wasn't amused first, after the bit with the capitals, but GOD fooled me. I realised only with the baseball bat and the crying that he wasn't serious (which made me laugh, because he had fooled me). But please go ahead and laugh if GOD insults someone who isn't you. I won't stop you

You are just as powerful as GOD to stop this silly discussion, so why don't you take responsibility?

I should imagine there WERE many 'on the receiving end' of this GOD person. And no wonder, because this thread at least doesn't seem to be moderated properly! I wouldn't be surprised if they haven't been upset, intimidated, and left.
Why is it he is allowed to get away with talking to other members here like that?
Is he your personal friend or something/ Do you want us ALL here telling each other to FUCK OFF AND DIE...etc? Or is only 'GOD' allowed such a 'privilege'?

i was making a point about laughing if GOD abused someone else like he did me. i would be apalled and would say something. there HAS to be rules we follow at these forums, or it'll just become a flame forum. If that is alright let me know, and maybe we all will know we can say what the hell we want. But it's not really very mature way of being with others is it? usually forums have a flame forum/sand pit fro that kind of thing.

And why should I have the responsibility for someone else's abusive behaviour, that is supposed to be the moderator's job?

So Forkbender, is it a freeforall at these forums? Or is only GOD allowed to act like that?

what do yoou warn FOR?

 

[Forkbender]

You are not responsible for GODs behaviour, you are responsible for the discussions you are involved in.

Usually there is no need for moderating on this forum. People seem to take their responsability. There are no rules for discussion, because we don't need them.

Your call for rules and laws and enforcement by moderators really makes me think. Its like how the world reacted to Leary (and we're back on topic!), once they saw something they didn't like they try to ban it. You're an adult, if you don't like what GOD says, don't try to persuade others in some holy war, but stand up for yourself.

 

[BrainEater]

GOD is legend. he makes you use your brain. i think that's great. i warn you though, you better not fool him, as well as you better not fool yourself.

ok one hint: don't take everything so seriously. discussions are there to learn from each other, not to force one's opinion or perspective of the world on others.

i warn you!! don*t fuck with GOD!!!!

peace.

 

[zezt]

You are not responsible for GODs behaviour, you are responsible for the discussions you are involved in.

Usually there is no need for moderating on this forum. People seem to take their responsability. There are no rules for discussion, because we don't need them.

Your call for rules and laws and enforcement by moderators really makes me think. Its like how the world reacted to Leary (and we're back on topic!), once they saw something they didn't like they try to ban it. You're an adult, if you don't like what GOD says, don't try to persuade others in some holy war, but stand up for yourself.

Ok cool. that is all I need to know. A free forum LOL

let me tell ya something before you make some image of me as a strict headmaster type. i HATE moderation! 8) .....I mean the type that interferes. This confession may seem to contradcit what I said. Though life IS ambiguous. Ideally it'd be nice people weren't all calling each other to FUCK OFF AND DIE...of course. But I do not like moderation. And this forum then seems to me to be a rarity. Giving members freedom.

Alright Forkbender, thats alright. Now I will know how to deal with GOD, and others hahahaha

but seriously, this sounds good. Now I am going to carry on with the discussion when I have time.

As I said. I am very drawn to the deep mythological motif of the MUSHROOM. I linked to a site above about some researchers personal experience with them, and haven't had time to seriously look at it yet.

I must say, some of the shit GODs comin with sounds intersting and challenging. But not the PUSHIN of it. though he's free too I suppose. but I gonna slap his MF arse....LOL

 

[Forkbender]

I am glad you like it here. Welcome again and enjoy the tough discussions and enlightening brainstormsessions!

 

[????????]

It is far far better to trust in Mother Earths vegetation, though I admit I admit, LSD's pretty cool too.

Aahh this post is a bit far back but it kind of bugs me... you seem to think of LSD like many people I've seen.. as some sort of produced miracle in a lab? ..but it is in ergot! A fungus! so why the distinction? (correct me if I misinterpreted)

 

[Forkbender]

it is semisynthetic, lysergic acid is taken from ergot, then through chemical magic that I don't understand, it somehow gets a diethylamide.