STOP scapegoating Timothy Leary and the Counterculture!!

[Vlad]

In the middle ages people were burned at the stake as sorcerers or witches for possessing and using plants.

Nowadays you get locked up in a prison or psychiatric hospital.

Not much has changed.

 

[Vlad]

When i used to take drugs i talked about me regularly using psychedelics to psychiatrists and doctors and never had any problems , we often had conversations about it and one gave me 50 valium 10s when i asked him , to act as a parachute if a trip got difficult .

Here the general attitude seems to be that there is no such thing as a psychedelic, there are only psychosis inducing substances and curing drugs. If you talk to a psychiatrist they will not understand psychedelics. They believe it's all psychosis and disassociation from reality causing.

You can't really have a mature discussion with them. You can't discuss the nature of the psychedelic experience. These people are not open to the question that reality can be interpreted by the mind and brain and not be the result of a concrete physical reality, but perhaps the result of a mathematical construct of mind and light and consciousness. Basically discussing vedanta and related yoga and eastern philosophy doesn't go through their thick skull. It's all big bang based materialism that rules supreme for them. Even though you can really be grounded and understand their point of view and pose no physical or mental problem to everything around you, they don't accept this. They want you to really believe what they do and say is right. I have a problem with that.

The majority of people are like that, and it's the reason why without forceful revolution there is never going to change anything. Psychedelics will stay forbidden but alcohol will stay legal. You need force against these kind of people because they only understand the language of pain. That's why pain exists. You can't reason or talk to them. They are not open to intelligent discussion without preconceived notions of what is and what is not. Sooner or later you hit a block in the logic where they cling to a belief, be it materialism or religion, and then they will enforce that belief by physical means upon you if they can and notice you are going to far from their control.

It's all for purposes of control. That's why the western world -especially America- spends so much on a military budget. To control other people like indigenous cultures through brute force. There is no democracy or free thought and free speech. Since youth, people are psychologically indoctrinated through school and social customs to hold a certain set of beliefs and values, and society perpetuates them. Stray away from them and you run into trouble.

 

[GOD]

Thanks for the reply and the info . This is not ment to ridicule you , i just dont know any other way to explain to you .

Why dont you sue them all for damages using the official doctors files , the police records and the court papers wich are all easily available and undenyable proof ?

"It does. I studied the subject for years. "

So where is the gold you made ? Why didnt you use it to pay for a good solicitor ? People who deny reality and think that they are napolion or alchemists are rightly considered to be mentaly confused .

"I said shamanic, psychedelic, legal plants."

Wich plants ? And what you call shamanic plants are only legal if they are not intended for drug use .

"Yes, fascism. I can accept reality. "

Then why didnt you stay calm and why did you flip out and why did you tell them anything about believing that you are an alchemist ?

"I tell you it's a fascistic system that authorities are trying to impose. It's totally corrupt."

I totaly agree . I lived in a house once that was full of people who had been locked away for up to 60 years in closed mental hospitals just because they were epeleptic or just depressed . Most of them were harmless victims that had been poisoned by psychiatrists with psychopharmica . I was there because i was 18 , in care of the local childrens department and had no where to live .

"Here the general attitude seems to be that there is no such thing as a psychedelic, there are only psychosis inducing substances and curing drugs. If you talk to a psychiatrist they will not understand psychedelics. They believe it's all psychosis and disassociation from reality causing. "

Thats not surprising when someone takes psychedelics and thinks that they are an alchemist .

"You need force against these kind of people because they only understand the language of pain. That's why pain exists. "

Did you tell them that ?

Why didnt you just turn lead to gold and prove to them that alchemy exists and that you are an alchemist ?

Vlad , i think that you are missing the point . If you hadnt told anyone you wouldnt have had any trouble . If you hadnt kept telling your doctors and the judges about alchemy it would have probably been diferent . Its one thing believing crap about alchemy , thats not nesecerily unhealthy , but when a person is fanaticaly infatuated and tells people thats its true thats defined as mental illness . Thats the reality of the world we live in and if a person cant acept reality they are not doing the best for themselves . What would you think if i kept claiming to be napolion ?


Love GOD

If you want to talk some more i`m happy to do so........... and the first person that says we are off topic gets a kick up the arse .

 

[Vlad]

Why dont you sue them all for damages using the official doctors files , the police records and the court papers wich are all easily available and undenyable proof ?

I don't have money for it. Besides, I more or less heard of how things go here, and being in socialist Europe, it's very hard to win a case against the medical system. It's not like in the USA were people can sue McDonald's because their burgers make them fat (sorry not ment as an insult I just want to show an example what you can do in the USA which you can't do here).
There was a women in that psychiatric ward who wasn't forcibly relocated, yet got injected some medicine which caused her permanent nerve damage. Now when she doesn't take other medicines every day, her mouth always pulls upward. That's some serious nerve damage, yet doctors get away with it by claiming she is psychotic and that it's because of 'fears' that she has that 'tic'. That's how it works here. Doctors get away with everything. It's socialist Europe.

So where is the gold you made ? Why didnt you use it to pay for a good solicitor ? People who deny reality and think that they are napolion or alchemists are rightly considered to be mentaly confused .

I don't make gold. I'm not claiming either I'm interested in alchemy for gold making. It's not the real intent either. I got into that subject due to spiritual experiences I had (kundalini awakening) before I even was aware of most psychedelics.

Wich plants ? And what you call shamanic plants are only legal if they are not intended for drug use .

MHRB. I never said I intended to use them either.

Then why didnt you stay calm and why did you flip out and why did you tell them anything about believing that you are an alchemist ?

I never did tell them anything of that sort. I keep all these interests to myself unless people ask or the subject comes up.

"You need force against these kind of people because they only understand the language of pain. That's why pain exists. "

Did you tell them that ?

Logically, no.

Why didnt you just turn lead to gold and prove to them that alchemy exists and that you are an alchemist ?

I never made gold. I can however make chemical substances that behave out of the ordinary as they should behave chemically according to modern science.
The point is doctors never asked about it, they just said "oh you don't know what you're doing", had the judge force me in, then left me rot there and just prescribed drugs. They didn't care about proof either. I told them I'm not ingesting anything harmful and told them they needed to prove that I ingested something harmful as they claimed and they ignored.
I never told them anything about alchemy. I am interested in it and in alternative health and parents where I lived with told the doctors I have strange occupations/behaviour (to them) and that's how they locked me up. See it's a matter of people seeing what you do, not liking it, telling authorities, then authorities taking you by force, then ignore you, claim things about you, and get you locked up. Again I did shut up and only asked for my phonecall which they ignored.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah, that's why it is better not to underestimate alchemy.

 

[GOD]

"I don't have money for it. "

What about legal aid = the free solicitors that poor people can have in most socialist countrys ? Or just go to any solicitor and show him the documents i was talking about and offer him 50 % of the damages that you would get ?

"and being in socialist Europe"

Europe is not all socialist by any means . And if you lived in most right wing countrys you would have even less chance and probably still be in hospital .

I agree about the damage that many psychiatrists do to inocent patients , thats why they are called gods in white , because what they say is acepted as fact even if it isnt .

"I can however make chemical substances that behave out of the ordinary as they should behave chemically according to modern science. "

Why didnt you show them that then , or film it in front of witnesses and show it us ? THere is a guy in america that would give you 1,000,000$ for the video with wich you could clear your name and sue the doctors , your parents , the police and both courts ?

So the only thing against you was the statements made by your parents ? What about this ?

"I told them I am interested in alternative science and history and that I believe the egyptian pyramids are aligned to stars. "

"The police forced me to go to the psychiatric ward because they noticed I had ayahuasca plants around and they asked me what it was for and I told them it was for shamanistic interests."

"They also tied me to a bed because I loudmouthed too much"

It takes two to tango vlad , you cant do it on your own . Alchemy does not exist . There are parts of chemistry that were started by alchemists but transmutation was never achieved . Please stop reading trivial pseudo missinformation from comercial esoteric books and confused web sites . ASk yourself why you believe something that the majority either ignore or laugh at . The majority decides what reality is , do you want to argue with all of them ?

I`m not saying that there is no injustice and i`m not saying that what happened to you wasnt injustice . Your the one that feels hurt and pain and you are the only one that can do anything about it . Why not try going on an anti esoteric diate and dropping the whole subject for a year and then look how you feel afterwards .

 

[Vlad]

"I don't have money for it. "

What about legal aid = the free solicitors that poor people can have in most socialist countrys ? Or just go to any solicitor and show him the documents i was talking about and offer him 50 % of the damages that you would get ?

I got a free (pro deo) laywer. But they don't do jack shit. They are just yes men for the doctors in general. All that free aid is good in theory but in practice it doesn't work out. You need the money for a real lawyer.

I agree about the damage that many psychiatrists do to inocent patients , thats why they are called gods in white , because what they say is acepted as fact even if it isnt .

Never heard them called as gods in white. That's an american expression?

"I can however make chemical substances that behave out of the ordinary as they should behave chemically according to modern science. "

Why didnt you show them that then , or film it in front of witnesses and show it us ?

They don't care.

THere is a guy in america that would give you 1,000,000$ for the video with wich you could clear your name and sue the doctors , your parents , the police and both courts ?

Which guy?

The majority decides what reality is , do you want to argue with all of them ?

I don't let others decide what my reality is.

 

[Vlad]

"I can however make chemical substances that behave out of the ordinary as they should behave chemically according to modern science. "

Why didnt you show them that then , or film it in front of witnesses and show it us ?

I have three interesting pictures (not gold; just something interesting chemically) but I can't upload pictures here.

Also, about two years ago I dropped a precipitate of white monoatomic gold from a solution. When I passed my hand over the beaker, I noticed a magnetic field emanating from/around that solution with the white gold in it. Literally a field you feel like when holding two magnets next to each other. Except it wasn't repulsive or attractive. It was like a neutral field yet noticable, and the interesting thing is a friend passed by my place who has no interest in any of this at all, and I told him hey check this out and he held his hand above the beaker and he also said there's a noticable field. So I wasn't feeling anything in my own head or nervous system only and it was probably a genuine magnetic energetic phenomenom.
I still know how to prepare that white gold.
I told the doctors this (it's the only thing I once mentioned, and twice to a nurse who asked, that's all in months detention how much they asked and found out). I told them this is proof I am not delusional (yes that's right, they called me delusional and used that as another charge for keeping me locked up - they claimed believing in energy fields is delusional). I told them this field can be measured by third parties and is a proof I am not psychotic. And they said no it's no proof, you're deluded.

 

[GOD]

Hi Vlad , i just had a good idea . We are lucky enough to have a chemical genius on this forum called Spice . If you explain to him about how you do those things science cant explain maybe he can explain it to me as i`m totaly ignorant about chemistry .

"That's an american expression? "

No it is used in England and Germany .

"They don't care. "

I do . So please do it anyway . That guy in America is called James Randi and you can find out more here :-

www.randi.org/research/index.html

"I don't let others decide what my reality is."

There is a difference between personal reality and every day mass concensus reality . Which is what i ment before . Psychiatrists say a person who believes in irational things , = things contrary to mass reality , is not nesecerily ill . But a person who tries to tell other people that their irational personal reality is fact is ill .

Magnetic fields or other energy fields can be measured with machines . Subjective feelings are not a good basis for convincing other people .

"they claimed believing in energy fields is delusional"

It depends on what one means with energy fields some are real and others are ilusional and dont exist . Subjective feelings by you or third partys are not proof that the majority of people would acept .

If you open a thread in the German section "Smart Cafe" and call it "Interesant alchemy bilder" with no writing in English in it you can post the fotos and we could all take a look at them and form a first opinion . If you realy need to write anything in English to explain its OK if its short . I will put a German translation with it and tell anyone who moans to fuck off .

Lets see the fotos and see what Randi and Spice have to say . I cant realy think of anything else to say or any point in saying anything else on the subject before you have done that .

Love GOD

 

[zezt]

I have been reading this thread, and am very fascinated by it, and VERY glad that the mental illness myth scam is being directly emphasized here, because it is of the UTMOST IMPORTANCE.

It is apassion of mine. So Vlad, I am glad I asked you that question, and have encouraged you to share your experiences here

I cannot express how central this myth of mental illness is, To compare it with the preceeding social controlling myth, a fine example is the Medieval myth coming from the Church and State which was SO all-pervasive, and oppressive, and repressive, that it was beyond peoples ken to even challenge it.

Same now.

A goog example, is GOD's reactions. Dont know if you can tell GOD but you contradcit yourself. On one hand you empathise and sympathize with vlad about his persecution by the mental health movement & State, yet on the other kind of agree with them. Ie., that if you act weird then you are 'gonna get locked up'--or words to that effect.

And you naively think that you can reason with this power when in their clutches, and sue them etc. No GOD. It is not as simple as that EVEN, and maybe especially in the States! It just aint. And especially if you are very distressed.

they DO NOT have the right to do what they do! It is a filthy scam. A vile game being played can you not see this. In no way must they be justified for oppressing people.

They now have turned their profit-crazed eyes at the children. MILLIONS of chilcdren in the 'education' ssytem, and the so-called 'child care' system, and in children's own homes are forced to take drugs which are toxic and harmful.

If parents try and challenge thiese pseduo diagnoses they are threatened with having their children taken into care. Many parents actually ask for the drugs, and/or gladly agree with the authorities.

So this is SERIOUS shit. This myth effects all our relations. because if anyone is seen to be 'weird' as the peers, etc, may INTERPRET 'weird' then their victim can become targeted in various ways.

This myth goes right to the heart of the paradigm we are living in.

Tim Leary called this paradigm, in his book, The politics of Ecstast, the 'plastic studio set reality'. But Tim wasn't perfect, and he had a problem with homosexuality. And tried to 'help' his friend Richard Alpert 'imprint' to 'normalcy'!

For in psychiatry 'homosexuality' was classed as a mental illness. If anything shows up the sham racket the big pharma puppet shrinks pull, its how they can call something an illness one day, and then decide it isn't the next day. As they did with 'homosexuality'. But when it errr 'was', many gay people suffered because of that stigma. And this scam is continuuing. As Vlad is sharing in his own story

 

[spice]

" I noticed a magnetic field emanating from/around that solution with the white gold in it. Literally a field you feel like when holding two magnets next to each other. Except it wasn't repulsive or attractive. It was like a neutral field yet noticable, and the interesting thing is a friend passed by my place who has no interest in any of this at all, and I told him hey check this out and he held his hand above the beaker and he also said there's a noticable field. So I wasn't feeling anything in my own head or nervous system only and it was probably a genuine magnetic energetic phenomenom.
I still know how to prepare that white gold."

The only thing that will dissolve gold is something called aqua regia, which is a mixture of nitric and hydrochlotric acids, and the Egyptian alchemists, the forerunners of modern chemists, were playing with 5000 years ago.

Aqua Regia ia dangeerous, under certain conditions explosive, and mixing the two acids can cause chlorine gas to be produced as well......

Consider it from a 'public safety' standpoint; they may have honestly believed that you were placing others, as well as yourself at risk.

Screaming and ranting about the alchemists and hallucinogens is going to bring problems everytime.


YES they were wrong for your treatment....however, you were not presenting your case to them in a very coherent manner, from what I understand....


NOW, that being said....I see you say that a 'magnetic field' existe in this solution you made.....but in your words;


" neither attracted or repelled "


Well, then by definition, it's NOT a magnetic field, it's something else.

I am inclined to go with what GOD said here, and feel that you may not be being scientifically objective.....your passion for alchemical discovery, in other words, may be clouding your judgment.

The whole concept of monoatomic gold may itself be a complete malevolent deception in and of itself....read this carefully

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/monoatom ... ug05.shtml


....also, consider that when you say....'a magnetic field', you imply magnetism.


If something was neither repelled or attracted, then HOW would it be magnetic?

( James Randi would have a field day with you)

Did it 'move' around in the flask?

What were the conditions your aqua regia produced? Was there other, magnetic metal, traces perhaps in the containers?

Did it occur to you that the solution may have been responding to your BODY HEAT?


There is iron present in every red blood cell of our bodies, it is what allows the hemoglobin molecule to transport oxygen...

If you were a 'lot' more rigorous and scientific in your preparation and testing, I'd imagine that you'd find out that there isn't what you think going on...


read that link above.....it's QUITE an eye-opener...

 

[Vlad]

Hi Vlad , i just had a good idea . We are lucky enough to have a chemical genius on this forum called Spice . If you explain to him about how you do those things science cant explain maybe he can explain it to me as i`m totaly ignorant about chemistry .

I guess so if it really matters. I'm really not very interested in proving myself though. I'll tell you right here right now what the point of alchemy is.
If you study mystery religions, hell even the bible, you'll notice there is a focus on consuming sacraments of the saviour figure, be it Christ, Mithras, Horus, Krishha, etc. It's usually bread and wine, or the body and blood.
Here is what alchemy is about. Preparing and consuming the sacraments.
There is an energy in man called the kundalini, the serpent energy. It's esoteric, but basically the main aim is for this energy to develop and take your body over and rise to your head and then cause 'enlightenment' and the manifestation of a body of light. You can find a lot of info about this, not just in eastern mysticism, but also in western.
Anyway the purpose of the mystery religions is through consumption of the sacrament to manifest this body of light in a direct way, skipping the whole gradual natural proces.
Scientifically, it's forms of gold that don't react chemically because they have no free electron bonds, and are monoatomic or diatomic. I (and I think science in general so far) don't completely understand the scientific workings of it, however from experience it seems to work. The gold forms enter into your physical nervous system and brain and bones (spine), and cause quantum consciousness effects.
I have had mystical experiences due to it (if interested I could explain it on another thread but I honestly don't really feel like it, words can't really convey the experience) and they convinced me this proces is real and working.
Now according to practically all the traditions, and mystics who are also scientists who I talked to, there are other realities, other physical and spiritual worlds, which you can go to once you develop the body of light. It holds your consciousness to travel to other worlds. Forever.
It's like it's written in the bible in the new testament.
"Eat, this is my body, drink, this is my blood" "You must be born of water and spirit" "As there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body" "The kingdom of heaven is WITHIN you"
All these things allude to the mystery proces of creating the 'christ body' of light with which to travel to the other worlds.

There is a difference between personal reality and every day mass concensus reality . Which is what i ment before . Psychiatrists say a person who believes in irational things , = things contrary to mass reality , is not nesecerily ill . But a person who tries to tell other people that their irational personal reality is fact is ill .

Magnetic fields or other energy fields can be measured with machines . Subjective feelings are not a good basis for convincing other people .

Yes I follow you completely. However, there is a problem here. You see mystery religions and eastern mysticism refer to enlightenment and self realization. See I experienced this mystical state. I'm not kidding. I used a technique without realizing how it worked. At first I thought I had experienced a trip. I soon found out it was not the case. Basically I combined mushrooms with monoatomic gold, and thought it was the mushrooms. It was the gold that caused the kundalini to rise and caused the experience.

It's not at all like a mushroom trip. It's not like entheogens. It's TOTAL reality loss and solipsism. It's worse. Your consciousness is not 100% normal, but 1000% normal, sharp, yet reality disappears and you enter a total solipsistic quantum consciousness state where there is nothing else real besides the self, and double being. Yes double being. The fiery immortal timeless light being, and the normal ego self that is solipsistic. It's apparently the self in relation to the krishna/christ state of being. Yet it feels like a part of self-being, there is a feeling of two egos. Very very not normal.
I'lll tell you also some people who took the real monoatomic gold went crazy (for real) or suicided. You can't really say there is objective and subjective reality and accept the notion that the brain or matter generates consciousness and being. It's all dependent on structure and the way consciousness and being work are magical. It all depends on structures and patterns. There is no such thing as objective nor subjective reality. It's not valid to depart from the standpoint that there is an ego and self that can determine what is real and what's not. Structure determines that.
What's worse this made me realize things like real double being, double consciousness, multiple personalities, are all possible in a healthy balanced harmonic state, giving you the power of a god. Not just a case of schizophrenia and talking to yourself, but manifesting multiple being and consciousnesses all interlinked.
FYI no I don't talk to people about this, I only wrote it down here this once, I haven't even thought/talked of this in months.

If you open a thread in the German section "Smart Cafe" and call it "Interesant alchemy bilder" with no writing in English in it you can post the fotos and we could all take a look at them and form a first opinion . If you realy need to write anything in English to explain its OK if its short . I will put a German translation with it and tell anyone who moans to fuck off .

Lets see the fotos and see what Randi and Spice have to say . I cant realy think of anything else to say or any point in saying anything else on the subject before you have done that .

I posted the fotos with a short explanation.

 

[Vlad]

The only thing that will dissolve gold is something called aqua regia, which is a mixture of nitric and hydrochlotric acids, and the Egyptian alchemists, the forerunners of modern chemists, were playing with 5000 years ago.

Aqua Regia ia dangeerous, under certain conditions explosive, and mixing the two acids can cause chlorine gas to be produced as well......

Consider it from a 'public safety' standpoint; they may have honestly believed that you were placing others, as well as yourself at risk.

Yeah I know I worked with aqua regia a lot already.
The thing is, there are two forms of gold I know of which can be produced, which don't dissolve in aqua regia at all. I even doubt they dissolve if you add H2SO4 and H2O2 to the aqua regia.
One is a red gold solution produced electrochemically, and it's not colloidal gold.
The other is dried white powder gold. It forms a practically inert white powder.

Well, then by definition, it's NOT a magnetic field, it's something else.

If something was neither repelled or attracted, then HOW would it be magnetic?

I agree it's something else. I just don't have a word for it so I don't know what it is. Others have said monoatomic elements are superconductors. It might have somethin to do with it.
I tell you it does feel very similar to a magnetic field though so that's why I called it like that. I need to be somehow able to convey what it feels like no?

Did it 'move' around in the flask?

No the white precipitate was just manifesting in the flask out of the solution. If anythin it was settling down in the solution.

What were the conditions your aqua regia produced? Was there other, magnetic metal, traces perhaps in the containers?

I made that white gold without aqua regia. It was made by boiling microfine gold dust in a sodium phosphate solution in a steel pot. Then precipitating out of the alkaline solution by adjusting the pH with vinegar.

Did it occur to you that the solution may have been responding to your BODY HEAT?

No and I don't see how body heat can produce magnetic-feeling (yes I know it's not magnetic, again I don't have a right word for it) effects though.

 

[GOD]

"A goog example, is GOD's reactions. Dont know if you can tell GOD but you contradcit yourself. On one hand you empathise and sympathize with vlad about his persecution by the mental health movement & State, yet on the other kind of agree with them. Ie., that if you act weird then you are 'gonna get locked up'--or words to that effect. "

No i dont . Read what i said again and think about it . Vlad has social problems . I`m doing my best to help him , have you done anything to help him ? I have been through several similar experiences for the last 18 years . I live in Germany and am an unmarried father and i caught my ex girl friend hitting and sexualy assulting my 3 year old daughter . I have less than no legal rights and was forced from one court to another and had to defend myself . I wasnt alowed to offer any proof about my daughter being mentaly , physicaly and sexualy abused by her mother because it would upset the mother and that would harm our daughter . I couldnt get legal aid because i had no chance of winning . The files were falsifyed , the sozial workers lied and one judge told me if i said anything else he would make a court order so i could never see my daughter again and must stay at least 2 kilometers away from her or i would go to prison . I lost my job , my apartment , all my friends and everything i own . I was made homless and had to live in peoples atticks , cellers and building sites for a few years and all through that i had to stay calm , acept the injustice and keep fighting . I won in the end and the mother admitted in court that everything that i had said was true and everything she had said was untrue . My daughter now has serious social problems and mild depression and is being pumped full of anti depresants that have been proven to be inefective and dangerous . I cant do anything about it . I`ve also had to go to court about 30 times for drugs and was sent every time to a court psychiatrist because the general opinion was that only sick people use drugs . Every single time the psychiatrist said that i am normal . But i still got put away 5 times based on false evidence and drugs planted by the police . When i was a kid my dad hit me with everything he could get his hands on for about 12 years day in and day out . He used to kick and punch the shit out of me . He whipped me with a whip and with a chain . He threw knives at me . Every neighbour new , my teachers new , the police new and nobody did anything . I was also picked up by the police and analy raped a la abu graib when i was 18 , i now have hepititis C 1a , the nastyest sort , and its probable that i got it from the police . So i know what injustice is . Do you think it helps Vlad if you try to discredit me and my atempts to help him ? Have you offered him any help or are you just being negative and baselessly moaning ?

Didnt i say about gods in white ? I was in hospital because i took an overdose because i couldnt live with the fact that the police had raped me . I lay in a room for people to die in for 6 weeks and the doctors told me that i was going to die and that they wouldnt save my life by giving me dyalisis because i had taken a drug over dose . I went blind and got an abses the sise of a pineaple in my guts that burst and they wouldnt give me pain killers . I screamed for a whole night . The same doctor also gave evidence against me in court even though that is illegal and i had to go to prison and i couldnt even stand up . I was in a wheel chair and had been told i would never walk again . Then the doctors got me adicted to pain killers and valium by giving me 16 times the normal dose . Do you still "think" that i like doctors or the system ?

" On one hand you empathise and sympathize with vlad about his persecution by the mental health movement & State, yet on the other kind of agree with them. Ie., that if you act weird then you are 'gonna get locked up'--or words to that effect. "

Projection . Please dont twist my words . Its a fact , proved by vlads case that if you act wierd you get problems , OR ??? What has that fact got to do with me ? Why are you critisising me for it ? WHATS YOUR PROBLEM and if you can do better do it or shut the fuck up .

I also told him where he can get the money to fight his case . I have also just sent an email to a friend who lives in Las vegas just off the strip and asked if its posible to get a solicitor to act for someone with a clear cut case for a percentage and he told me that every American solicitor would jump at the chance and do it if the storey is as Vlad says it is and he has the papers i was talking about . Why do you think he lives in america anyway didnt you read his posts ? He clearly says where he comes from .

"the so-called 'child care' system, and in children's own homes are forced to take drugs which are toxic and harmful. "

Another ex of mine gives her kid ritalin to shut it up because she cant be bothered to look after him properly . I protested and got threatened with legal action . I go to every conference about ritalin and prozac i can and argue with those perverse gods in white that poison kids . Can i do more ? And what do you do , just talk insulting crap or actualy do something positive ?

Are you saying that an "alchemist" can turn lead into gold ? Are you saying Vlad can do something that science cant ? How do you know if you havent seen Vlads proof ? You cant can you ? What are you saying besides baseles acusations and empty words ?

Dont call me naive , you are naive . Stop being iresponsible and grow up . And next time you say anything on the subject think about the effects on Vlad .


You have insulted me and hurt me very deeply for less than no reason . If you are a man and honest you will apologise to me . If not FUCK OFF AND DIE VERY SLOWLY AND VERY PAINFULLY .

I`m now so upset i`m sitting with a baseball bat in my hand crying , shouting and hitting things with it . Usualy that lasts for about three days untill i can calm down and acept that there is such hipocritical , disshonest and bigoted shit like you walking around free and not in a psychiatric hospital where you belong . Thanks , and i hope you have a nice day........



Thanks Spice , that helped me to come down a bit and put the baseball bat down .


Vlad , there is no point in you saying anything else on the subject untill you have the 1,000,000 $ . I`m sorry but i`ve reached my limit with trying to help you and to explain to you so i`m dropping out of this thread untill you get the $$$$ .

 

[Vlad]

I checked Randi's claim. I need to have my claim presented to the media first, and I need an academic too.
I'm also not living in a suitable place for producing the substance right now. Besides it's relatively common knowledge on the internet among some people how to make the white powder of gold. I doubt Randi will accept this and he probably already heard about it. The magnetic effect though if I can reproduce it (I think so, I had it twice already though the second time was faint) he might be interested in but it's not really paranormal nor coming from me. It's more like a probably not yet understood scientific phenomenom, not something paranormal or occult.

 

[zezt]

Vlad, my man. You surely have missed the point completely dude. the sacrament usually covertly referred to in mythic writing and symbolism are the entheogens, especially the Psychedelic fungus. This is certain!

you said: "It's not at all like a mushroom trip. It's not like entheogens. It's TOTAL reality loss and solipsism. It's worse. Your consciousness is not 100% normal, but 1000% normal, sharp, yet reality disappears and you enter a total solipsistic quantum consciousness state where there is nothing else real besides the self, and double being. Yes double being. The fiery immortal timeless light being, and the normal ego self that is solipsistic. It's apparently the self in relation to the krishna/christ state of being. Yet it feels like a part of self-being, there is a feeling of two egos. Very very not normal. "

there is no definate mushroom trip or psychedelic trip! iot is not a --intechniocal terms--'specific' drug. It is different for everyone becuase it is your MIND that mainfests. Your mind in relation with reality

so i think you are barking up the wrong tree

GOD; I was really sorry to hear your story, but I will not be spoken to like that. If you want to communicate with me show some respect or i will ignore you.

 

[magickmumu]

I agree it's easy to get yourself locked up for acting weird.
Lucky my family and people around me would never let this happen.
I never had real psychological problems like schizophrenia or psychosis.

I agree with ZEZT reasoning with psychologist and doctors is not a good idea.
It's better to just keep your month shut (about psychedelics and alchemy ect) when talking to doctors. Don't feed them.

I went to a psychologist once for a minor problem. I did a test. The psychologist told me there was no real problem. I told here about my drugs use, no problem there. I had a laugh with the psychologist. The psychologist told me to come back when I have real problems.

GOD I was amazed and shock to read about the negative shit you've experienced in your life.
I wish you the best.

Vlad I don't know you. I don't know much about alchemy and chemistry.
Maybe you're raving mad, maybe you're not. I don't know.
I also wish you the best.

 

[Forkbender]

If the intellectual elite was all that elite, they wouldn't BE subservient to established authority in the first place, and THEN they could have taken this heavy crown, and worn it well, and served the purpose we all hoped for.

I disagree, there were a lot of intellectuals that were against government, certainly in those days.

 

[Forkbender]

Here the general attitude seems to be that there is no such thing as a psychedelic, there are only psychosis inducing substances and curing drugs. If you talk to a psychiatrist they will not understand psychedelics. They believe it's all psychosis and disassociation from reality causing.

Then you probably just met the wrong psychiatrists. I know a lot that do know about psychedelics and actually have experience with them.

 

[zezt]

The point is this____sacraments, which in past times have usually been in the form of fungi, plants, cacti~~~ie., vegetation can in principle be picked and prepared by anyone with the understanding. perhaps out of all of them it is the many varieties of psychedelic fungi that are the most easy to ingest. For there is usually no need for preparation, and also not too much nausea.

hence, for my reckoning it is the fungi most referred to--albeit cryptically--in mythologies!

Entheogenic vegetation are also what I would class as EQULAIZERS. by this I mean, you dont have to sit at the foot of a man who claims author~ity, and he know how you can 'get to the spirit world' if you just follow him, do what he says, and even give him money.
Also you dont have to believe in alchemy, and have to learn how to turn base metal into gold and all that palaver--true or not.

NO,

ALL you need to do, is look, find, and eat, and hey presto you, like him her, she, are ALSO experiencing. And from there it is YOUR UNIQUE experience. Noone can experience what you are because it is your unique experience. the more respect and love you give the more you will receive.

Of course, although unique, the general feeling usually is a profound ecstatic connection with Nature.
I believe this is THE most important insight. NOT flying dreajms in some off-world vistas. Although nice. But rather deep insights as to how to live intelligently on Earth, respect other species, and ones own species