STOP scapegoating Timothy Leary and the Counterculture!!

[Forkbender]

I don't think psychedelics are about power or politics.
The power that is enforced by guns and psychical pain, is no real power. Or another way to say it, not the power I am looking for.

Psychedelics are the most powerfull thing. It can turn nazis into buddhas. Try that with guns.

 

[Guest]

Psychedelics are the most powerfull thing. It can turn nazis into buddhas. Try that with guns.

Amen my brother!

 

[zezt]

Cultures often use psychedelics for specific rituals rather than on say the first Saturday afternoon that comes up in a while where they have some free time and are in a good mood.

I know. Psychedelics are seen as Medicine. Treated with utmost respect.

[quotes0kj4td]Even though there aren't too many shamans around in the developed world, I would certainly hope that those who are introduced to psychedelics for the first time nowadays would do so accompanied by people who are experienced and knowledgeable.

Yes I agree. it is really important for people to know the profundity of what is happening. Which is bascially the opening up of their organism to reality.

To play devil's advocate for a moment as well, I don't see having a shaman around as necessarily a good thing either. The shaman will guide you down a very specific path of exploration, which may drastically alter how you would have personally reacted to the psychedelic and what you would have gotten out of it otherwise. Especially if the guidance is based on his/her own religious beliefs. (Now if you are deliberately exploring those beliefs, that's different, but I digress..) Medical use of psychedelics is interesting--it sounds like the environment is usually a bed, with music and an eye covering, a somewhat limited glimpse into the potential of the substances, and I can imagine some people having pretty bad reactions or feeling claustrophobic in such circumstances..

I love you playind devil's advocate, because it encourages free thinking. Which means even questioning ancient tradition--which is usually taboo.
For example, in Some South American shamanism ( I wont say all as I dont know. What I have read), there is usually a warning about sorcery. So that if one has a malady that is entrenched it may be blamed on sorcery. I have always felt that idea claustrophobic. It would make me feel paranoid to feel that there are sorcerers trying to make me ill. It surely aslo would scapegoat people...? And has a sinister feel of our western 'witch' persecution superstitious times when innocent women, and men, could be accused by other villagers, and authorities of having the 'evil eye' and doing sorcery. HOW could disprove such accusations. Especially if the authority of a shaman said it?

I have recently read a great book edited by one of Tim's mates, Ralph Metzner, called The Sacred Mushroom of Visions: Teonanacatl
Indigenous mushroom healing sessions are described. Noteworthy is the emphasis on having the experiences when its dark so one can see visions better. And also the curandero will chany throughout. So as to encourage flowing of visions. So one doesn't get 'stuck' in places.
So there we see a kind of authority dont we. Ie., tripping when it is light is sometimes said to make you crazy. yet I have had some of the most wonderful trips when it is light. Also dwelling on things.
But having said that, I can understand the need to allow energy, feelings, to flow. An analogy of not doing so could be the mindset that dams a free flowing river.

But maybe...maybe, the very experience itSELF is wild....! That is all we need. Not really any human guide as such. Less it is just EQUAL support as friend. But for allowing experience its own means to breathe?

I don't see psychedelics ever being legal to the general public. At most, maybe with a prescription someday, in limited quantities.. if say for example taking psilocybin/LSD for cluster migraines turns out to be the best treatment.

[/quotes0kj4td]

Hmmmm if you have guts to really look at the world we are in. it would be a contradiction for it to allow free froms of psychedelic exploration. Why? because it is destroying all other species and planet Earth is why. It is sick. VERy sick. That is why we cannot look to it as any authority!!! This is URGENT!

 

[Jahvisions]

I don't think he was a pleasureseaker, i rather think he was a serious psychonaut that was spiritual and used it as meditation. But I think you can't translate what is working for you to everyone. He always gives me a feeling like 'we are all too materialistic, lets all take lsd and we change the whole world' that's to simple and I think psychedelics are just suited for a certain kind off people. I think I just belong to the huxley group that kept it quiet and underground.

 

[st.bot.32]

I love you playind devil's advocate, because it encourages free thinking. Which means even questioning ancient tradition--which is usually taboo.
For example, in Some South American shamanism ( I wont say all as I dont know. What I have read), there is usually a warning about sorcery. So that if one has a malady that is entrenched it may be blamed on sorcery. I have always felt that idea claustrophobic. It would make me feel paranoid to feel that there are sorcerers trying to make me ill. It surely aslo would scapegoat people...? And has a sinister feel of our western 'witch' persecution superstitious times when innocent women, and men, could be accused by other villagers, and authorities of having the 'evil eye' and doing sorcery. HOW could disprove such accusations. Especially if the authority of a shaman said it?

I recall some christian churches (as well as my own ex-religion) often telling their followers that psychedelics "open up your mind".. to satan's influence. They fear the "open mind." Because they believe that anything from outside their religious beliefs comes from Satan, they fear the open mind and outside thought. Hence they never will consider an alternate viewpoint, as all alternate viewpoints are inherently evil. Authority in this case is willingly given by those who believe to the one who represents what they believe in. Their belief makes it real enough for them.

(Reminds me of people who believe in the drug war!)

I have recently read a great book edited by one of Tim's mates, Ralph Metzner, called The Sacred Mushroom of Visions: Teonanacatl
Indigenous mushroom healing sessions are described. Noteworthy is the emphasis on having the experiences when its dark so one can see visions better. And also the curandero will chany throughout. So as to encourage flowing of visions. So one doesn't get 'stuck' in places.
So there we see a kind of authority dont we. Ie., tripping when it is light is sometimes said to make you crazy. yet I have had some of the most wonderful trips when it is light. Also dwelling on things.
But having said that, I can understand the need to allow energy, feelings, to flow. An analogy of not doing so could be the mindset that dams a free flowing river.

Yeah, one of my best mushroom trips was during the day, it was winter, walking through the snow with friends and around town. It is a very different kind of trip than the one where you close your eyes and watch the visuals, or visions!

I tend to see magic and sorcery much like religion in general, as a fuzzy place where intent, personal beliefs and experiences shape the senses to produce an effect. And that isn't belittling it at all, rather it makes it a tool for understanding what we are. I have no doubt that the way shamans and ancient cultures use psychedelics evolved over time just like any other kind of ritual. Maybe they found that people tripping in the day were wandering around acting possessed, so a taboo developed into tradition, who knows. So even if I don't take the beliefs literally, I still respect the traditions and how they probably evolved out of necessity. In the end though it is still up to us to make an informed choice I think.

And it is interesting that the shaman chants throughout the trip. When I'm not making music while tripping, I often listen to music based on minimal patterns.. (even without tripping, it evokes a trance..)

 

[zezt]

I recall some christian churches (as well as my own ex-religion) often telling their followers that psychedelics "open up your mind".. to satan's influence. They fear the "open mind." Because they believe that anything from outside their religious beliefs comes from Satan, they fear the open mind and outside thought. Hence they never will consider an alternate viewpoint, as all alternate viewpoints are inherently evil. Authority in this case is willingly given by those who believe to the one who represents what they believe in. Their belief makes it real enough for them.

(Reminds me of people who believe in the drug war!)

When they invaded the Americas, they also judged the Indigenous peoples sacred use of the mushrooms to be evil. Just like you say we are judged by the same people now.
That is a very rigid mindset that scapegoats all the repressed shit onto their myth of a 'devil'. So any vegetation (etc) that would open their eyes to the trip they've created for themselves would create a deep fear and taboo of the vegetation. And remember this myth is pushed on them further by the main proponents of the myth who want them clinging to their authority and continuuing to give them money. Its a business!
And as you see, the so-called 'drug war' is the secular version of that irrationality, and profiteering.
It is blatabtly obvious all this, to me and you. But some people will refuse to really think, feel, look what it is about. What is going on. And from that total ignore-ance will play the game of trying to understand problems in sosciety, and how to put them right.




[quote:290fhskv]Yeah, one of my best mushroom trips was during the day, it was winter, walking through the snow with friends and around town. It is a very different kind of trip than the one where you close your eyes and watch the visuals, or visions!

I have had some amazingly wonderfull daytime trips. Nature seems so faerie

I tend to see magic and sorcery much like religion in general, as a fuzzy place where intent, personal beliefs and experiences shape the senses to produce an effect. And that isn't belittling it at all, rather it makes it a tool for understanding what we are. I have no doubt that the way shamans and ancient cultures use psychedelics evolved over time just like any other kind of ritual. Maybe they found that people tripping in the day were wandering around acting possessed, so a taboo developed into tradition, who knows. So even if I don't take the beliefs literally, I still respect the traditions and how they probably evolved out of necessity. In the end though it is still up to us to make an informed choice I think.

I agree. In the book I mentioned, there were many Tryp reports where the experiencer speaks their intent before the onset of the journey. So it is really the relationship between individual, 'plant'/substance, and surroundings. The Set&Setting that Tim emphasized.
What matters is the deep respect of the whole relationship.

And it is interesting that the shaman chants throughout the trip. When I'm not making music while tripping, I often listen to music based on minimal patterns.. (even without tripping, it evokes a trance..)

[/quote:290fhskv]

Yes. It is a kind of fractally like drawing you in in in, consciousness flowing flowing. I watched this video before which really shows this amazingly:

 

[st.bot.32]

Thanks for posting the video, it linked to some interesting music from the Peyote church as well...

 

[GOD]

"Who do you think sustains the system? That's right. Common folks who work everyday. And why are psychedelics so bad in that context? Because most common folk aren't too bright or mentally evolved and wouldn't be able to cope with a trip. It would destabilize structures. More hippies to get stoned doesn't sustain the system."

= drugs are illegal because if the slaves took them they would expand their consciousnesses , get a better insight of whats going on and refuse to let parasites live off their backs anymore .

Huxley was an elitist snob who wanted to boost his ego by giving his friends LSD . Hofmann was not much diferent , he wanted to be the magic doctor but missed the bus . Leary didnt . There was a lot of ego in the story mixed with jealousy .

Is anyone saying that Leary was bad because he gave people acid ??? Doesnt that make Hofmann bad to as he used to give people he didnt realy know acid ....... WOW !!! SHOCK , HORROR !!!! Yes he did . If any of you were at his 100th birthday meeting , and you were part of the "in crowd" you got given an original Sandoz LSD ampule by him . He had a special depot at Sandoz and was allowed to go in and out when he wanted to . How do i know that ? because friends of mine got given one . Plus please tell me when Leary gave people LSD iresponsibly . He was a very good psychiatrist , how good does a psychiatrist have to be to teach at Harvard ? Keasy and his friends spread LSD around and just gave it anyone . Leary didnt have a problem because of giving people LSD . The problems started because other , blind , gready psychiatrists at Harvard got jealous that he had a new "toy" . Then Leary was chased around the world by the CIA and DEA because of 30 gramms of grass , not because of LSD . Please find people who report having been given LSD by Leary and then them having a "bad" trip ?

Plus it wasnt Leary that started to give people LSD it was Michael Hollinshead who had bought it from Sandoz = Hofmann . He shared it with Leary who did experiments with Harvard students , professors , priests and other stable established people . Then Leary bought some from Sandoz to . So who was iresponsible ?

I read about Hofmanns critic on Leary from the early days . I also heard Hofmann take it all back a few years before he got promoted this year .

Most of you werent alive when Leary was at Harvard so you have no first hand experience . The "storys" you keep pushing are atleast 2nd hand and mostly biased .

The people who Leary gave LSD to started :-

Head shops , grow shops , esoteric book shops , most of the good music from the 60s and 70s , most alternative medicines , health food shops , the alternative movement , freaks , hippys , the scene in Holland , coffee shops , smart shops , indoor growing , easy rider , the green movement , bio food , veganism , vegetarianism , the mass interest in astrology , chakras , mushroom growing , choppers , the mass protest movements , the anti vietnam protests , the anti nuclear movement , to get the world to think about what its doing and the consequencys .

What would the world be like without those things , without the other things those people did ? = BIG BAD BORING SHIT .

So stop talking shit please . He was a man and like every person he wasnt perfect , just like you all to .

Sorcery is just a name "shaman" give things that cant be explained and stops the ill person feeling guilty . It can be blamed and "driven" out without cutting bits off people . Having the evil eye cant be driven out and blamed on some evil enemy , it can only be very painfully exorcised or burned at the stake . So its a usefull strategy not a fact . There are no wiches just idiots playing power games in fancy dress . Or show me someone who can turn me into a frog . And why dont they just introduce world peace , heal all diseases and make themselves rich ?

Darknes is like a film screen where no film is playing unlike the film light forces on you . = Empty your mind and go with the flow and not be confronted with overpowering every day reality .

Christians and other religeous bigots hate drugs because they can only talk at got , LSD lets you meet him ...... be him .

 

[st.bot.32]

Is anyone saying that Leary was bad because he gave people acid ??? Doesnt that make Hofmann bad to as he used to give people he didnt realy know acid ....... WOW !!! SHOCK , HORROR !!!! Yes he did ....

I read about Hofmanns critic on Leary from the early days . I also heard Hofmann take it all back a few years before he got promoted this year .

Yeah, totally agree. I wish I could find the quote, of Leary in an interview saying something along the lines of how when his group explored acid at harvard, there were NO bad trips because everyone involved was doing it out of a need to explore, out of scientific curiosity, and in a proper environment. When it hit the public and people started basically abusing it, and having bad trips as a result, he was quite surprised. I wasn't around at the time, but basically anything of Leary's I've ever read encourages responsible usage of the substance, set, and setting, etc.

And Hoffman kind of takes back his criticism of Leary in his book problem child, where he describes his meeting with Leary...

Or show me someone who can turn me into a frog .

"Well, she turned me into a newt!"

"A newt?"

"... I got better."

 

[Vlad]

Face it, the people who get positive change from an LSD trip are in the minority. Do you think the majority of alcohol drinking materialistic people will really change that much after a trip? I doubt it. They would simple rationalize most experiences away and cling to a belief system to help them deal with the 'trip'. I've seen it enough around me. Rare are the people who really change for the better. Sure many did but the majority of people are blunt. It's the blunt majority that works for the system and they only want alcohol money and to get laid.

 

[zezt]

Face it, the people who get positive change from an LSD trip are in the minority. Do you think the majority of alcohol drinking materialistic people will really change that much after a trip? I doubt it. They would simple rationalize most experiences away and cling to a belief system to help them deal with the 'trip'. I've seen it enough around me. Rare are the people who really change for the better. Sure many did but the majority of people are blunt. It's the blunt majority that works for the system and they only want alcohol money and to get laid.

Hey Vlad

Your outl;ook on life to me looks really cynical. I wonder---with respect--how you came to be at psychonauts if you have such an unimpressive view of psychedelic experience.

Is it because your Trips have been so-so. or is it you just have lost faith in people?

MY view is that as from my experience and of others, is that psychedelic experience inspires profound change, BUT in this consumer society the AFTERMATh of the experience can quicly subsumed by the prevailing myth people 'return' to. So for example, one of the prevailing myths governing the show is the mechansitic-materialistic myth. So I have met some psychedelicians who will argue strongly that psychedelics merely 'distort' perception, and that science is superior.

I had experience at quite a famous psychedelic forum, the Lycaeum where the in-house --rather fascist--vibe is that NO 'magical thinking is allowed. and all you say must be backed up with 'quotes' and 'science'. I am not joking.......God help the poets

but you get my drift?

 

[Vlad]

I've had quite strong trips and mystical experiences. I simply don't like living with most people. They are brutes, blunt, and rule by force. There is no love for wisdom (and I don't mean philosophy) or doing what is right. Money materialism hedonism or easy come spirituality mixed with leftism tolerate everything attitudes is rampant.

I also found out you get locked up in prisons or psychiatries for just saying wrong things, not even doing something wrong or being deranged. Just look at germany for example. If you question the holocaust, you get locked up and fined. If you question reality too much, you get put in psychiatries and forcefully medicated. That's holland and belgium at least. (I'm not talking out of my ass on that last thing. Belgium has twice the number of forceful relocations into psychiatries as the european union's mean, and uses five times as much medicines on people as the european mean. People are very intolerant here vs eveything that does not come from 'die hard' so called science based in materialism.)

 

[BrainEater]

hey vlad!

i share your general feeling that most people are brutes, blunt and ruled by force.
in the moment i am trying to deal with that feeling in myself because it scares me that so many people are ruled by forces out of their reach.

i feel with them, as they can't control their destiny, because they don't know right from wrong. it's sad and that teared me down a lot in the past....

but that's the point... most of the people are just too scared of something in the future or the past or the present that they just NEED to go the way they have started.

that's even more sad for me, so what i am trying to do is help them in a way that i treat them friendly and respectful... i experienced that when i do this honestly to the person then the person gives something back
and kind of "shares" my suffering i have about the world..

but sometimes they seem like animals to me and i think am too high and i mean i also don't like it to look down on other people just because i am more experienced with myself, because i have experienced with psychadelic drugs and therefore with my own mind. that's why even if it seems hard to get along with brainwashed people it can be very easy, because if you hold on to respect and friendliness and helpfulness they will at some point want your inner freedom ... because it is more precious like maybe a house and a car...

you can be happy that you have found out so much and you can try to share your wisdom....

BUT i also agree that sometimes you have to watch out WHAT you say and HOW you say it, because that can get you into shit... there are bad people that can and will use that against you IF they don't love/like/share sympathy with you.

so yeah ... the worlds a bad place ... but its also a wonderful place ...
the latter just has to be understood by all inhabitants of the earth and then brought to a level of mutual respect and understanding.


my dream..... real peace .... :weedman:

 

[spice]

There were really only two paths;


Trust authority to tell us who got to do psychedelics,


OR


Ride with Tim Leary and the crew


Since the 'intellectuals' in this country are NOT independent of the power structure, rather, representative of it, I don't really think acid snobbery was the answer.

If the intellectual elite was all that elite, they wouldn't BE subservient to established authority in the first place, and THEN they could have taken this heavy crown, and worn it well, and served the purpose we all hoped for.

Establishment intellectuals are only really intellectuals ( here in the USA is what I am talking about) when they sow discord in the minds of students pertaining to the wrong direction Western culture has taken.....they are falling short of the real duty of intellectuals the world over if they aren't......exercizing .....their intellect.

So, this is really a simple matter; We fcouldn't TRUST the intellectual elite to handle this effectively, they weren't in the 'right place', mentally.

Leary did what had to be done, and yes, it would have happened anyway, if not him, someone else.....my personal opinion is that it was a great thing he did, mistakes and all, because he ripped the power straight out of the authorities hands by 'open-sourcing' the LSD experience.

Those 'dirty, smelly hippies' did a brave, heroic thing; they staved off a group of power hungry war-mongerers in a time period when it was desperately needed to save some shred of the country....and what they did was instrumental to the whole cultural shift that took place at the end of the sixties.

It's a damn shame those fellas had more guts between any ten of them than this whole fucking COUNTRY does these days.

All this neo-conservative warpiggery could be STOPPED, dead in its tracks, by the very same tactics used back then, and everyone is OBLIVIOUS to this,which is a crying fucking shame.

The blueprints there, and there are no workers.

 

[GOD]

"people who get positive change from an LSD trip are in the minority."

Is that an opinion or a fact ? I think you are talking about people who havent had a real trip . By real trip i mean the ones that HeartCore does and writes such inspiring reports about .

"The blueprints there, and there are no workers. "

Thats whats realy pissing me off about pro drug demos and people "playing" the legalise it ego game . The way is crystal clear but they dont get together , agree on the strategy and work together . In end effect they couldnt do more to keep thing as they are or even make things worse . = they play the game to fight against the game = they get an ego boost and people still have their lives ruined and go to prison .

 

[magickmumu]

I've had quite strong trips and mystical experiences. I simply don't like living with most people. They are brutes, blunt, and rule by force. There is no love for wisdom (and I don't mean philosophy) or doing what is right. Money materialism hedonism or easy come spirituality mixed with leftism tolerate everything attitudes is rampant.

I also found out you get locked up in prisons or psychiatries for just saying wrong things, not even doing something wrong or being deranged. Just look at germany for example. If you question the holocaust, you get locked up and fined. If you question reality too much, you get put in psychiatries and forcefully medicated. That's holland and belgium at least. (I'm not talking out of my ass on that last thing. Belgium has twice the number of forceful relocations into psychiatries as the european union's mean, and uses five times as much medicines on people as the european mean. People are very intolerant here vs eveything that does not come from 'die hard' so called science based in materialism.)

hey Vlad
did you got locked up? And if so, what did you do or say.
You say you don't like living with most people. What do you mean by most people?
Do you dislike people?

 

[Vlad]

hey Vlad
did you got locked up? And if so, what did you do or say.

Oh yes. I did nothing at all. I was supposed to be a 'danger to myself' because I am interested in alchemy and would supposedly not know what I am doing and be drinking or eating 'harmful' substances. Bullshit. The same kind of thinking that will lock you up for drinking colloidal silver.
Not one single time did a 'doctor' ask me anything. They just decided that I don't know what I'm doing, without asking, without investigating, just like that. For example. I told them I am interested in alternative science and history and that I believe the egyptian pyramids are aligned to stars. They called this psychotic thinking, then they got the 'peace judge' to lock me up forcefully because I supposedly would be psychotic and my strange thinking would pose me as being a danger to myself. It's simply modern fascism. You can't do anything. They ignore your rights. And you can't really sue them because doctors have lots of protection from 'medical commitees' etc. They just go on telling you that it's for your good and judges believe them. And if you run away, police comes to get you. I've been locked up because I didn't have my ID card with me and refused to give my identity to a police officer that was acting like a brute. That they put me in prison, okay, but not to a psychiatric ward. It's pure fascism trying to control minds.

You say you don't like living with most people. What do you mean by most people?
Do you dislike people?

I dislike most idiot doctors, warmongers, politicians, lawyers, judges, brutes, etc. Especially the medical-pharmaceutical-military complex.

 

[Vlad]

To give you an example of the charges of which they locked me up. My parents thought I had strange interests and behaviour and called the police and went to see the doctor. The police forced me to go to the psychiatric ward because they noticed I had ayahuasca plants around and they asked me what it was for and I told them it was for shamanistic interests. I'm not an idiot and don't say too much. They just consider everyone who doesn't do booze sports and tv as 'weirdo'. So basically I end up for one night supposedly only at a psychiatric ward, and there they locked me up for months because I would supposedle take cyanide. I once told to my parents that if I wanted to suicide I'd take cyanide and make it just like the German soldiers did. Somehow my parents mentioned this and the doctor twist and bend this into fitting it their monetary and control schemes. They get honorariums for each patient and seem to get ego gratification from telling others they are sick and that they need to be under their control. Basically they used that cyanide charge and told the judge I don't know what I'm doing and voila, locked up forcefully. And don't think you the free lawyer they assign you listens. Going against the decision of the judge through a higher court - he didn't listen. They also tied me to a bed because I loudmouthed too much because they flat out ignored all I asked, like my cellphone and phonecall to a lawyer of my chosing. And once you get locked up none looks at you and you can't get out except when the doctors who forcefully medicate you on crap decide you can go. If you run, they call the police and they come get you.

Don't even THINK of mentioning psychedelics or ANYTHING alternative to these people. They simply twist and bend these words and use it to keep you locked up or for a longer time. Besides, anything of that kind is 'psychotic' to them. They want yes men who nod all the time. Money and ego is all they care for.

 

[GOD]

Vlad i`m not saying that you are not telling the truth , i know some wierd things can happen to people , but i dont think you are telling us everything ? No one can get put in a prison or mental hospital for eating cyanide ..... if they havent done it and they dont posses it . A simple chemical test would have proved if you possesed or had taken cyanide or not .

You are right that psychiatrists dont apreciate it if someone shouts and doesnt acept the situation that they are in and fights against it .

Alchemy doesnt exist . No alchemist / greedy capitalist has ever turned lead into gold .

Please tell us everything . Exactly what strange behaviour ? And how old are you ? Why did you tell the pigs that you had illegal plants that you wanted to use for illegal purposes ? If you had stayed calm all the time it probably would not have been so bad for you . Psychiatrists think that if a person cant acept reality = being in a mental hospital and cant keep their mouth closed and fights against them , they are ill .

When i used to take drugs i talked about me regularly using psychedelics to psychiatrists and doctors and never had any problems , we often had conversations about it and one gave me 50 valium 10s when i asked him , to act as a parachute if a trip got difficult .

This isnt ment as critic Vlad , i just want to understand your problem and help you if i can .

 

[Vlad]

Vlad i`m not saying that you are not telling the truth , i know some wierd things can happen to people , but i dont think you are telling us everything ? No one can get put in a prison or mental hospital for eating cyanide ..... if they havent done it and they dont posses it . A simple chemical test would have proved if you possesed or had taken cyanide or not .

That's the whole point. They just did. They fabricated bullshit charges such as that I have eating disorders and don't know what's right for me etc etc and tested nothing. The judge just forcibly relocated me after the police forced me there. Nothing else to it. They didn't test at all. In an ideal world this would have to be done yes but the world doesn't work like that I found out.

Alchemy doesnt exist . No alchemist / greedy capitalist has ever turned lead into gold .

It does. I studied the subject for years.
There is enough to be found on the net about monoatomic gold for example. That's a good start.
Besides, I can prove unusual things. I can make a gold solution that doesn't behave like gold should chemically. It's totally inert chemically, yet produced from pure gold. It should dissolve in acids gold dissolves in yet does not. It's an alchemical product and it hasn't really to do with turning lead into gold. It works on the spirit and soul and energy bodie(s) of man and is linked to yoga and the kundalini energy.

Please tell us everything . Exactly what strange behaviour ? And how old are you ?

I'm 30, and was temporarily living at my parent's place because I had to switch to a new appartment and didn't find one yet and moved out already.
I also told pretty much everything. I didn't have strange behaviour. To my parents, things like colloidal gold are bunk and junk, and they only believe what tv tells them or 'official science', without questioning, without ever thinking for themselves. And the police simply believed them.

Why did you tell the pigs that you had illegal plants that you wanted to use for illegal purposes ? If you had stayed calm all the time it probably would not have been so bad for you .

I was calm. They asked what these things were. I said plants. They asked what kind. I said shamanic, psychedelic, legal plants. Then they started questioning what they are for and what it is and if it's drugs. I don't remember the exact conversation anymore but I certainly didn't tell them it's like magic mushrooms or anything. I probably told them it affects your brain because they asked something in that direction.

Psychiatrists think that if a person cant acept reality = being in a mental hospital and cant keep their mouth closed and fights against them , they are ill.

Yes, fascism. I can accept reality.

When i used to take drugs i talked about me regularly using psychedelics to psychiatrists and doctors and never had any problems , we often had conversations about it and one gave me 50 valium 10s when i asked him , to act as a parachute if a trip got difficult .

This isnt ment as critic Vlad , i just want to understand your problem and help you if i can .

I just remembered another 'charge' they used against me to keep me locked up. The doctor said I don't seem to be able to have a normal life. Because I chose to live minimalistic, don't have a job now, no car, no own house, and could be considered a perfectionist and health freak in their eyes.
When I was in that hospital I met some people there who were locked up for pretty much similar reasons. I tell you it's a fascistic system that authorities are trying to impose. It's totally corrupt.