Quotes from the New World Order

[Guest]

if public health was so important, tobacco, pills, alcohol and even TV would be abolished. and all the stuff that we buy so we won't feel alone.
the most important thing, in my opinion, is the waiting. for many people, the day starts as they have something to wait, and the day ends when they have nothing else to wait for. that's what i meant when i said that we are controlled, and our thoughts are controlled. i did not meant that they can make us think of what they want and when they want, we think for ourselves, i agree...but it is easy to make people think of what you want if you know a little body language and practical psycology. if you are used to work with children, you will see that this is true: you can make them think of a subject YOU want. of course, the thoughts will not be made in the same line, there's a "space of thought" (if you catch my drift), in which they think that are making important discoveries, but, in the end, you can easily acheive this. with adults is more difficult, but it can be done.
and if they did this to us since we were born, is quite simple to understand that we can never get rid of this cruches. but we have freewill, and we think of what we want. the hard part is to find the right thing to think about

 

[HeartCore]

if public health was so important, tobacco, pills, alcohol and even TV would be abolished. and all the stuff that we buy so we won't feel alone.

TV is the only method of mass control that has a real potency i think. That is, if internet stays free as it is. But yea, television is a drug for sure and it so bad because opposed to psychedelics which will present content specifically tailored to the individual, television is basically governmental sanctioned content.

the most important thing, in my opinion, is the waiting. for many people, the day starts as they have something to wait, and the day ends when they have nothing else to wait for. that's what i meant when i said that we are controlled, and our thoughts are controlled.

These people choose to wait, they are often happy with their lifes and dont question it. So they are controlled without it actually realizing. I start to see you point, nice work

i did not meant that they can make us think of what they want and when they want, we think for ourselves, i agree...but it is easy to make people think of what you want if you know a little body language and practical psycology. if you are used to work with children, you will see that this is true: you can make them think of a subject YOU want. of course, the thoughts will not be made in the same line, there's a "space of thought" (if you catch my drift), in which they think that are making important discoveries, but, in the end, you can easily acheive this. with adults is more difficult, but it can be done.

I agree with that but I find it very hard to make the jump from influencing kids discoveries into a global sophisticated scheme that has been going on for over 200 years and is meant to gain global domination.

On the other hand, there is someting creepy about western society and how it seem to eat away the rest of the world and assimilate it. I always found the Borg from Star Trek an excellent analoge of western culture.

and if they did this to us since we were born, is quite simple to understand that we can never get rid of this cruches. but we have freewill, and we think of what we want. the hard part is to find the right thing to think about

Ok since I like you I will share a personal secret with you that was whispered in my ear by one of 'the others'.

See 'the others' got knowlegde of a big conspiracy that 'they' came up with a couple of 100 years ago. 'The others' figured this was not for the good of the world and so they themselves, created a conspiracy. Since 'the others' where born before '' they' started to control 'us', they where not hindered by mind control since that was only implemented when 'the others' already established exactly 'who they are'.

'They' havent got a clue, to this day, 'they'are still convinced that their scheme will succeed and 'they' will gain world dominance.

The good news is that 'the others' have worked themselves into the ranks of 'they' and the conspiracy that was created to gain world dominance, was replaced by 'the others' with a scheme that will grant everyone happiness and free sex

 

[phalaris]

natural selection à la Darwin style is not appliable to humans...{snipped}....natural selection is not appliable when the species is not in touch with other species

Why not ? I just think the selection-criteria are different from other mammals living in the wild, fighting for their existance.

To (western) humans, the ability to smell a watersource from a kilometer away is not rewarded with an increased chance of offspring. It does't make one sexy. In other words; you won't get laid more often when you are able to smell water. Smooth talking, charisma, manipulation and impulsive behaviour are traits that get you laid more often.

And, well, intelligence is handy as it can help with the smooth talking and manipulation, but I don't really consider it as a driving force or selection criteria.

As an nasty example: My former neighbour is like a grasshopper, he moved out a few month ago leaving her broke and with two daughters. He did this TWO times before(!!!). Yesterday I overheard someone talking about him: he moved in at his new girlfriend's place.. and they were thinking about children.

selection rules: manipulation, smooth talking and indifference.

His children will inherit part of these trait genetically, but will also grow up with the idea that men can't be trusted.

Evolution at work, other selection rules.

 

[phalaris]

well put btw:

Agree, yea its a hard road. However, this road is pointed out by many individual trip experiences. In other words, many people get a glimpse of the fabric of reality and get the idea that things are just very differrent than they supposed. Not everyone can handle that. Impossible to fight? I dont think so, we are fighting the war at this very moment brother, you and me and everyone else participating here because of the nature of this place we meet.

Psychedelics are a (maybe THE) antiserum for global crisis, we are advocating them and using them. The very fact that in most countries you will go to jail for this, should make clear that we are doing something that the government finds dangerous for itself. Public healthcare has nothing to do with it

About the internet: The infrastructure (hardware and protocols) itself is desighed in such a way to have redundant paths to route information packets. But there are only a handfull of main nodes:

That connect the subnodes and endusers:
http://www.caida.org/tools/visualization/walrus/gallery1/lhr-old.png

Control of only the few main nodes and DomainNameServers is enough to effectively control the proper functioning of the internet. So I think pulling the plug on the internet is in principle possible, but that would only be done as a last resort. In the mean time three letter agencies are more than happy with monitoring internet traffic/connections. I remember the first time I used my internet connection after my ISP installed monitoring hardware, obligated by law. I felt like being watched, naked in a large aquarium. With time, this feeling faded to the background.

 

[spice]

good points everyone

daytripper- In principle I agree with a lot of what you say, even if I express much of it differently.

You yourself would fall much more in the category of 'artificial selection' rather than natural selection.

Much like breeding plants for recessive genetic traits and cultivating a hard to grow variety because it expressed some desirable trait or another...in this example I, the grower AM nature in the sense that I control whether or not this plant carries on. Therefore I would be the 'artificial selection' agent.

In your example, SCIENCE itself selected you to carry on. Not a bad selector, if you had to have one.

Here's another secret; They are slowly losing control over scientific knowledge. The rate at which it expands and encompasses people will be directly related to endgame for them.

Ignorant people are easy to control. Intelligent ones difficult.

 

[HeartCore]

Control of only the few main nodes and DomainNameServers is enough to effectively control the proper functioning of the internet.

yes but I was not talking about functionality but the control of information. Like censorship. It can be done (hence China), but I dont think/believe that this is the case in our society.

 

[HeartCore]

[quote:dt49ff3z]“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face! It's just a [expletive deleted] piece of paper!

 

[phalaris]

haha, never knew that: the constitution being written on hemp paper. Nice one.

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maybe I'm unable to make myself understood about the internet topic. Sure, when the shit hits the fan it is technically possible to deny the population acces to internet. Or, like china does at the moment, severely restrict acces and apply censorship.

These are both brutal in-your-face approaches to have control over the network. I just think that western countries use a more subtle and sneakier way; that of large scale monitoring. In my opinion it is far more effective to let everybody feel at ease, and just act on the few cases that are considered a immidiate threat.

 

[Guest]

I just think that western countries use a more subtle and sneakier way; that of large scale monitoring. In my opinion it is far more effective to let everybody feel at ease, and just act on the few cases that are considered a immidiate threat.

And that's also a thing, that threat.
A threat to the people or a threat to the government....

 

[spice]

phalaris ;

did you know that Thomas Jefferson grew marijuana, and George Washington did too?

It wasn't a coincidence.

 

[HeartCore]

And that's also a thing, that threat.
A threat to the people or a threat to the government....

That depends entirely who you talk to.

 

[ProStoner]

-----“Today, America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government.

 

[HeartCore]

I think this one is a very good one..
what we really need is an attack from outerspace..
1 that might destroy half the population..

Thats a culturebound remark/assumption where you explain the unknown (alien invasion, how the hell do you know how an alien looks like etc) based upon assumptions you got from science fiction novels/movies.

Some of us hope (believe would be too strong in this matter hehe), that an alien invasion is already happening at this very moment and it has been going on since 1000's of years. If this is true, it would mean that our entire history is a conspiracy to lift the human race (or planetary consciousness) to new, more grown up levels. This would also mean, btw, that if there is a conspiricy as indicated in the opening post, that this is also part of the big conspiracy that we will benefit all from.

If there are two conspiricay theories to choose from (since they both can't be proved), I choose the most hopeful one

but the whole world then has to fight side by side to survive.. and keep our oh so precious planet
and then we find out that its really much better to live side by side
then to fight eachother in silly wars
and as we all know .. if the whole world experienced the same thing
there happens some magic .. that everyone will bond more
and think.. waaaait a minute .. why didn't we think of that before
we should just fucking all get along !!

This also very culture/species bound. Let's hypothesise for a moment that it can be done. Somehow, we manage to organize to fight together and make this planet a good place to live for everyone. Then this big ass comet comes from the sky and wipes us away. And all the rainforest we battled soo hard for to preserve, is swept away, dead within a split second.

So where does our future lie? Here on earth? Sure, but that will be 'only' temporary because its just a matter of time before another big one hits us. So what else is there? There is leaving the planet, but that poses other problems. One problem is, for example, that we will have to combine our efforts and resources to make it happen because if you look around you, the feeling you get its past 5 to 12 if you get what I mean. World domination may even be good in that respect, even if it causes havoc for 80% of the population in the first 20 or 30 years. Its the endgame that counts ultimately, do WE survive as a lifeform or do we die with our planet?

its just like in the movies you know ..

We tie Bruce Willis to a rocket and shoot him off to space to clear out big comets that are on the way?

 

[ProStoner]

Ofcorse there is always the danger of comets falling out of the sky ..
but they are less fast to happen then an war with nukes .. and we make this whole planet a desolate place

and even if...
I do not fear these things ..
I don't want to fear them .. I mean what kind of life can one lead , if one is in constant fear of things that "might" happen
in my eyes .. its one of the unhealthiest things to do
because it will probably get you killed even faster

but hey what's the use of everything anyways

there's also a theorie that for like the nextso many years or so .. our technology will keep growing almost exponentially and in the end we will run out of all the fuels ... and then we have to go back to the time before 1800
because there is no more oil ... no more coal etc etc
we still have wind,water,sun energie ofcorse .. but in the way we populate this planet .. I doubt we can supply enough people
so somewhere between 2000 and 4000 , we have to go back I think
and by the time we are able to live on other planets... we have been allready overpopulated and we can't send people to outer space with millions at the same time... so I think that won't happen either

but ofcorse by then we have been hit by a HUGE freakin comet .. and its all over

oh and yeah the bruce lee thing is exactly what I ment

 

[HeartCore]

there's also a theorie that for like the nextso many years or so .. our technology will keep growing almost exponentially and in the end we will run out of all the fuels ... and then we have to go back to the time before 1800

Thats not a theory, thats a fact of life. At least, someone who has actually made his life into this knowledge and wrote some books about it, explained me how if we want to use green energy, we should start to use our precious oil to manufacture solar panals and what not. If we want to have a short in succeeding, he claims, we have to start doing that, 15 years ago.

I do not fear these things ..

Me neither

oh and yeah the bruce lee thing is exactly what I ment

Willis that was my point, this is the solution the general public thinks is a plausible solution to get rid of comet threat but it isnt. The only way to avoid a complete wipe out, is to move along, leave the planet and venture elsewhere

ut they are less fast to happen then an war with nukes .. and we make this whole planet a desolate place

I agree but I dont see that as a problem persé. Technology can seem very bad and destructive but on the other hand, since about 50 years we slowly start to understand the scripting that makes us who we are (DNA). Eventually, and this is just a matter of time, we will be able to fuck with that scripting in such a way, that we can reprogramming everything, even our form (we could turn everyone in a mushroom for example ).

We are now at a stage where we have to admit to ourselves that all our SF ideas like Star Trek have to be canned. Like we will never build bigass spaceships and send them off to colonize other planets. This is due to constraints our human form lays upon us. We will still go to the stars, that is, if we dont wipe ourselves out before we solved the puzzle but it will be very different than what we imagine. To see a glimpse of what that would be, you would have to be very keen in following latest technology, trends etc. For example, note how scientist predict that in a matter of 50 years, we will be able to make some sort of backup of our mental state on harddisk. Or that in two years, computer technology in games will be so advanced, that it will be very hard to see the difference between a CGI character and a real human being.

Imagine how the 'problem' of spaceships would be solved would we be able to download our consiousness in a quantum, fusion powered, nanozized, marble which can travel through space in a ridiculous amount of time, just like a lot of spores seem to be designed for just that.

 

[ProStoner]

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Thats not a theory, thats a fact of life.
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u are correct I should have said it differently

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I agree but I dont see that as a problem persé.
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well I don't see it as a problem either .. it more of an example u know


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For example, note how scientist predict that in a matter of 50 years, we will be able to make some sort of backup of our mental state on harddisk. Or that in two years, computer technology in games will be so advanced, that it will be very hard to see the difference between a CGI character and a real human being.

Imagine how the 'problem' of spaceships would be solved would we be able to download our consiousness in a quantum, fusion powered, nanozized, marble which can travel through space in a ridiculous amount of time, just like a lot of spores seem to be designed for just that.

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that is quite an interesting thing to think about yes
cause if we could somehow do that .. we could go pretty much anywhere..
problem is downloading the consciousness into a new body with eyes, ear ,mouth etc
cause the consciousness alone will do you nothing good really
who's ass will we shoot that marble into
if we could store someone's consciousness .. clone the body and put it back in... we would live forever and grow even smarter
and then death will be a learning experience and the beginning of a new life

just like in those series that are on tv now .. Battlestar galactica... the robots that are their enemies .. are able to download their consciousness into a new body which is exactly the same

 

[HeartCore]

that is quite an interesting thing to think about yes
cause if we could somehow do that .. we could go pretty much anywhere..
problem is downloading the consciousness into a new body with eyes, ear ,mouth etc
cause the consciousness alone will do you nothing good really

Its called VR and its current state, is extremely infantile. Who needs a body, if you can just plug in and model yourselve like, Arnold Schwarzenegger (cant think of anybody who would want that lol).

Terence Mckenna has said a lot of interesting things about this. Somehow the goal of evolution is, to live in the imagination. He also tells a very cool tale about how the psilocybin mushroom could be such a traveller, much much older than us, and are here to conspire to get us lifted of the planet.

This sounds ridiculous, untill you bring it up before the mushroom itself, it has a lot to say about it but who knows if its true

 

[ProStoner]

who knows