Question about VODKA
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The_Dreamer
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don't drink alcohol, it's the worst drug on the planet !!
unless you need it to extract some stuff outa some plant /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
unless you need it to extract some stuff outa some plant /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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sorry man, I didn't do so well in my french class and dropped it 4th year. Explain, why isn't alcohol the mind-narrowing substance I have learned it to be ?
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"Boir un petit coup c'est agreable": Een glaasje drinken is gezellig /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Alcohol is geen grote boosdoener, maar het moet met mate genuttigd worden. Bovendien is alcohol het niet waardig om psychonautisch genoemd te worden. Het is zoals tabak, het draagt bij tot de gezelligheid, het leidt niet tot diepere inzichten, daar heb je alvast gelijk in.
Zo, mijn bescheiden nederlandse bijdrage bij deze multi-culturele thread /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Alcohol is geen grote boosdoener, maar het moet met mate genuttigd worden. Bovendien is alcohol het niet waardig om psychonautisch genoemd te worden. Het is zoals tabak, het draagt bij tot de gezelligheid, het leidt niet tot diepere inzichten, daar heb je alvast gelijk in.
Zo, mijn bescheiden nederlandse bijdrage bij deze multi-culturele thread /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
alcohol is not so bad , it CAN be really bad if you drink too much and too often , i m from belgium and this is the country of the beer ( even now there are some beers that are still made by monks in abeys ) so i know what i m talking about , the alcohol is your friend but you have to watch him closely ....
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Hehe, The Dreamer is from Utrecht so he doesn't understand French very well /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif that's why I translated what you said. The rest is pretty much the same you said afterwards: alcohol is your friend, but you have to watch him carefully. Couldn't agree with you more.
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Sorry, I rather see it as an enemy. But you have to keep your friends close but your enemies even closer ehh ? /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
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Putting fermenting fruit in bottles was the worst invention mankind has ever made ... ugggh /forum/images/graemlins/puke.gif
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Actually, alcohol had a very big influence on Western philosophy and religion. The Dionysus-cult was a reaction to the puritan Greek religions that put the Gods in control of every aspect of life. Memebers of the Dionysus-cult were convinced that mankind had lost all contact with his raw emotions, that man had put all his faith in society and was estranging from himself. Through the use of alcohol they tried to seperate themselves from the rules and restrictions society had lain upon them. This spawned a great deal of new religions and philosophies. Of course the Dionysus-cult was based upon religions from other cultures such as those from Asia Minor and Mesopotamia, but it were the Ancient Greeks and their Dionysus-cult that catalyzed the reaction. Bertrand Russel writes about them in his book on the history of Western Philosophy, I can't remember exactly what he wrote about them, but basically he said that, from a historical point of view, alcohol had a vast influence on the way our Western way of thinking came to existance.
So next time you try to solve a problem using classical logic, or pray to God... bottoms up! /forum/images/graemlins/pint.gif /forum/images/graemlins/lolwsign.gif
So next time you try to solve a problem using classical logic, or pray to God... bottoms up! /forum/images/graemlins/pint.gif /forum/images/graemlins/lolwsign.gif
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Not completely right I think, I have read Food of the Gods from terence McKenna, and alcohol is just a small part of dionysos cult. There are alot of speculations about halucinogens being used too. Also it explains about the greek cult of Demeter, wich was the goddes of grain. Her robe has the same purplish colour like ergot, so speculations are they made a halucinogenic brew out of ergot infected grain.
wich could be greatly doubted, since ergot is verry verry poisonous.
wich could be greatly doubted, since ergot is verry verry poisonous.
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I tend to attach more belief to the facts stated by Bertrand Russel than to the speculations stated by Terrence McKenna. Who would you believe: Timothy Leary or Albert Einstein? (In a discussion of a similar nature of course, such as the speed of light)
But don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion. If you don't like alcohol, that's your full right. But saying it's mankind's worst invention is a bit over the top imo.
But don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion. If you don't like alcohol, that's your full right. But saying it's mankind's worst invention is a bit over the top imo.
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dreamer, i totally agree with you, alcohol is evil, even in low doses. at the moment i'm under influence of some 6 beers and i have quiet some difficulty in thinking coherently (sentences seem much shorter than normal /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif ). i'm a so called social drinker, but i don't actually understand the meaning of this, what's so social about drinking anyway? one becomes more talkative? heh, go to a pub and see what happens with many talkative, alcoholized people. it's just a matter of culture, we're born in a place where alcohol and tobacco is marginalized and have almost no ritual meaning. (okay, the catolic priest ritually drinks wine but there it ends)
if i could i stopped drinking and smoking... but the pressure is so heavy...
btw, it's pure inductive thinking that the speed of light has and always will be the same. einstein was an encredible genious and so was mckenna. einstein got his theories out of his dreams, mckenna got his out of his trips. is there any difference?
if i could i stopped drinking and smoking... but the pressure is so heavy...
btw, it's pure inductive thinking that the speed of light has and always will be the same. einstein was an encredible genious and so was mckenna. einstein got his theories out of his dreams, mckenna got his out of his trips. is there any difference?
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Ok, ok, wether or not the Dyonisus cult took hallucinogenics will remain under discussion. The point Russel made though, was perfectly clear: in small doses alcohol inhibits the inhibitory mechanisms of the person. This is what the members of the cult tried to achieve. They wanted to get rid of the inhibitions society and culture had lain upon them.
This ritual use can still be found today in every house. Of course, the meaning of the term "ritual" today cannot be compared with what it meant 2000 years ago, but the principle is basically the same: people drink to lose the inhibitions of society and culture. That's why it's called a social drug, it broadens the borders of social constraint. You tend to lose role patterns, rigid ways of behaviour, etc.
Alcohol poses a problem which make it the "evil" drug some of us tend to call it:
Alcohol suppresses what it induces. As you drink more and more alcohol, the inhibition goes further and further. This goes on until you become, almost literally, an animal. But at the same time your ego becomes less and less aware of what's going on. The result? The next day you remember nothing, the only thing to remind you of the fact something went wrong is the incredible hangover. So next time you drink you won't drink less because you have hardly any recollection of the beast it made of you. Compare this with an overdose of mushrooms. Once you've eaten too much (much too much /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) you'll probably never take the same dose again, because your ego was still very much aware of what was going on.
So, do I think alcohol is evil? Actually, yes. It seduces you, the more you drink, the less you become aware of it's negative effects. But man should be smarter than a simple drug such as alcohol. Use it in small doses and it can be a relief. Use it in large quantities and it can be devastating.
This ritual use can still be found today in every house. Of course, the meaning of the term "ritual" today cannot be compared with what it meant 2000 years ago, but the principle is basically the same: people drink to lose the inhibitions of society and culture. That's why it's called a social drug, it broadens the borders of social constraint. You tend to lose role patterns, rigid ways of behaviour, etc.
Alcohol poses a problem which make it the "evil" drug some of us tend to call it:
Alcohol suppresses what it induces. As you drink more and more alcohol, the inhibition goes further and further. This goes on until you become, almost literally, an animal. But at the same time your ego becomes less and less aware of what's going on. The result? The next day you remember nothing, the only thing to remind you of the fact something went wrong is the incredible hangover. So next time you drink you won't drink less because you have hardly any recollection of the beast it made of you. Compare this with an overdose of mushrooms. Once you've eaten too much (much too much /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) you'll probably never take the same dose again, because your ego was still very much aware of what was going on.
So, do I think alcohol is evil? Actually, yes. It seduces you, the more you drink, the less you become aware of it's negative effects. But man should be smarter than a simple drug such as alcohol. Use it in small doses and it can be a relief. Use it in large quantities and it can be devastating.
