Newspaper, TV, do you subject yourself to them?

[endlessness]

"
All i`m saying is you might think you can think your way around all the media / school / social conditioning we are subjected to from birth to death but you cant . You might be able to do a very good job of defending your mind but even then you live in a world full of people who mostly cant . They also create the mass reality that we all live in .

The world we live in has been controlled and we have been "cultivated" by the people in controll for thousands of years . A perfect example is the dark ages where the catholic church dictated reality and the people were totaly manipulated .

yes, well said


another way I try looking at it is like this:

if we consider that every thing we put in to our bodies, whether it is through our mouth, lungs or ´filtered´ through the senses, it is as food to us.

considering what our senses receive as food gives a whole new sense of responsibility. in just the same way a food can be good for us or negative/unhealthy, so can the air or the impressions we receive.

then we must ask ourselves: Is this worth it? will it be a positive thing for me from a broader perspective?

this is not to say that if something seems a bad thing in a subjective ´close-up´ look, it is to be completely banned. we all know that a bit of negative can be used positively, whether this is by ´suffering´ involved in physical exercise efforts, or vaccines which use a bit of the ´evil´ so we grow our defenses, ´evolve´. Also martial arts such as judo use the negative energy directed at them and trasform it against the oponent

Conscious suffering and using the ´bad´ positively is part of many traditions, gurdjieff teachings, fakhirs and their feats, renouncings of all kinds, isolation, etc.. Like perseus who when killed the medusa got her head as a newly acquired weapon.

So maybe the fact that the media exists, we can somehow separate something in it that can be of use to us.

I dont judge others if they watch it, but I personally avoid it as much as possible, because I think in its majority its bad food for me.

Im not a fanatic against it, if there is some good movie or something like that, I might watch it. but thats becoming rarer and rarer for some reason..

One of the main reasons I dont like tv, is advertisement. It is a major problem with the media, pernicious to the general well being of the human psych, the way I see it. but this deserves a whole separate discussion

 

[Twilight]

Of topic dont exist. The topic is what we talk about . It goes like it flows .

A prince (= rich bastard) went out one day and went on the road . He didnt work he begged from poor people . He told them your only hope , your gods dont exist . If you are poor and / or suffering its because you were bad in your last life . (= 99.999% of people are / were bad in every life) Its your karma and you cant do anything about it exept be a good , non violent (= dont defend yourself) happy little slave . The rich are rich because they were good in their last lives , acept that to .(= If you lick arse in this life , acept that the criminaly rich can exploit you and kill the planet with their greed you will be born rich in your next life) . Then when he got pissed off with poncing off poor people he went back to prince land .

If the alibi lama was a good budist monk he would get up at 4 in the morning and go begging . He doesnt , he lets himself get worshiped by millions like a god and flys round the world like a member of the jet set . If budist monks were good they wouldnt go begging from poor people they would get a job , earn money and give it to poor people .

Same with hindu fatalism and chinese philosophy .

Hmm, yeah, you got a point there. Thanks.

 

[Klaatu]

Klaatu ,

All i`m saying is you might think you can think your way around all the media / school / social conditioning we are subjected to from birth to death but you cant . You might be able to do a very good job of defending your mind but even then you live in a world full of people who mostly cant . They also create the mass reality that we all live in .

The world we live in has been controlled and we have been "cultivated" by the people in controll for thousands of years . A perfect example is the dark ages where the catholic church dictated reality and the people were totaly manipulated .

So it's possible to acknowledge the fact that I am being somehow "conditioned" to think like "they" do, but impossible to get around it?

If this were true, none of us would ever have realized that psychedelics are not necessarily "killer drugs that will make you insane".

...Unless we have been carefully conditioned into realizing that, too. We could think that everything we do is just the act of a brainwashed chimp; in that case, so is this discussion. Boo hoo, ain't life just miserable?

As Forkbender said: If you know someone is trying to manipulate you, the manipulation won't work.

So all these other stupid, uncritical, uncreative, lazy and stupid people create the world we live in, it's not even worth trying to do anything, they win and we feel bad. This kind of thinking just reminds me of the teenage angst of a bullied, overly egoistic yet pessimistic goth kid. Extreme pessimism is not realism - neither is extreme optimism, but why go with the dualism when you can have optimistic realism and be both realistic and happy?

You know, psychonautism is great. You learn all kinds of stuff, such as metaprogramming. You realize that you yourself can manipulate your way of perceiving the world. You learn to enjoy even the smallest, most trivial things in life. You learn to fuck all the conditioning and taboos and get more confidence. You learn to criticize things that no-one ever criticizes, learn to question things that no-one has questioned. You realize that things like "monogamy", "heterosexuality" and "not using drugs" might be the norms, but breaking the norms is possible and that usually you should break the norms rather than let the norms break you. Suddenly, you've got the balls to talk to strangers and not care if they think you're crazy - some day you might find someone who won't, and you'll have a great conversation. Maybe become friends?

You quit the job that you couldn't care less about and do something new and interesting - maybe a new, more interesting job, where you'll meet new people and talk to them. You might give them new ideas they had never thought of because they haven't yet realized how deep their heads are in their own asses - but you just might give them the spark. You might inspire people to realize the same things you did. I'd guess every person on this forum was inspired by someone or their works.

We all live in the mass reality - we ALL. "They" don't create it, WE create it. The mass reality is created by us all: not just the ones who think "A", but also by those who think "B" or "C". The mass reality changes, everyone has the possibility to change it at least a little bit. Inspire people. The system can be changed, but only from the inside. We ALL are inside, and you don't become an outsider just because of the system's attitudes, but also (and in some cases, mostly) because of your own attitudes. Inspire people. Do it, don't give all the responsibility of "how things happen" to some greater power you claim to have no control over.

 

[Forkbender]

We all live in the mass reality - we ALL. "They" don't create it, WE create it. The mass reality is created by us all: not just the ones who think "A", but also by those who think "B" or "C". The mass reality changes, everyone has the possibility to change it at least a little bit. Inspire people. The system can be changed, but only from the inside. We ALL are inside, and you don't become an outsider just because of the system's attitudes, but also (and in some cases, mostly) because of your own attitudes. Inspire people. Do it, don't give all the responsibility of "how things happen" to some greater power you claim to have no control over.

Yes.

 

[GOD]

Agree . Some of us can see it / some of it and fight against it / ignore it and others cant .

 

[st.bot.32]

I have to continuously fight against it. Hence I don't hide from it. Lack of awareness of what is going on around you (information-wise) makes you all the more susceptible when you least expect it. IMO anyway. (I make no claims at being perfect, either)

 

[grassisgreener]

i stopped watching TV about 2 years ago and now the only time i'll ever watch it is at a friends house and in that case i am usually extremely stoned or tripping and i can't even fathom that people take that seriously. every time i watch tv now, i find that all it does it play on stereotypes and engineer the type of world the media mongols >government thrive in

for example this year a friend and i smoked a ridiculously unhealthy amount of some really bangin ganja and watched the super bowl. my only thoughts was that it would go way more with the "American way" if the players were prisoners fighting for their freedom.
another thing was the star spangled banner- i had never considered the absurdity of it, they started singing it and the entire crowd became absolutely mesmerized, i was picturing riots in the future where the government instead of using crowd dispersion weapons, instead played patriotic songs that captivated the weak minded (i.e. Brave New World mantras)

i get all of my news from the web, which is the best imo becuase i like to check different sources and cross reference things

 

[ZOF]

I'd like to make you aware of this,
i think you probably are but that you haven't seen it like this before.

 

[psm]

I'd like to make you aware of this,
i think you probably are but that you haven't seen it like this before.

if he wouldn't be so full of himself, it would be really funny


I also don't like the fast food news from TV and Newspaper. They are biased, politically motivated and general all-purpose-stupidifying propaganda.

If I want news, I use the net. There I can choose what I want to see, cross check it, read different versions on the same subject and form my own reality.
Tho I used to leave the tv on most of the time as a stimulant, i did not switch it on for some time now. movies, shows and docus, i also watch on the net, or buy the dvd.

 

[????????]

the "repeaters" thing is really interesting though. It's like nonsense memes shoved down the people throats so everyone thinks they know what's going on.

 

[restin]

I'd like to make you aware of this,
i think you probably are but that you haven't seen it like this before.

This is very true, but this is how the system works. A journalist jst hasn't the possibility of controlling everything,checkin the facts etc. Especially where large companies as Reuters control all the news.

I am very sick of news. I am half Russian so I get BOTH, west and eastpropaganda. Believe me, you get crazy after a while. Especially now, with the problems in Georgia.