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Razor29 a dit:
You see no wrong in bombing the Gaza strip killing innocent people :?:
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You see no wrong in bombing the Gaza strip killing innocent people :?:
Are you a traditionally religioius person? Know one?
Modern genetics testing has demonstrated that modern-day Palestinians have a direct genetic trail back to the biblical Israelites.
So here is the deal. Some of the people walking around Palestine, Gaza, and the West Bank are blood relatives of Jesus. Distant blood relatives, but still blood relatives. Given 2000 years, it is possible that the vast majority of present day Palestinians are remote relatives of Jesus.
Israel is killing them.
And (if you're an American) YOU are paying for it, which means you share the guilt. YOU are paying for the weapons used to kill the modern day family of Jesus. The moment you sign that 1040 form, you sign a confession, admitting before all the world that you are an accessory in the murder.
Think you are going to get into heaven after an insult like that?
Modern genetics testing has demonstrated that modern-day Palestinians have a direct genetic trail back to the biblical Israelites.
So here is the deal. Some of the people walking around Palestine, Gaza, and the West Bank are blood relatives of Jesus. Distant blood relatives, but still blood relatives. Given 2000 years, it is possible that the vast majority of present day Palestinians are remote relatives of Jesus.
Israel is killing them.
And (if you're an American) YOU are paying for it, which means you share the guilt. YOU are paying for the weapons used to kill the modern day family of Jesus. The moment you sign that 1040 form, you sign a confession, admitting before all the world that you are an accessory in the murder.
Think you are going to get into heaven after an insult like that?
spice a dit:
Palestinians certainely are blood relatives to the so-called "biblical Israelites", but does that mean their lives worth more than any other human being's life? I'm a bit provocative but that's not the best argument, all human beings have the right to live in peace and to be treated descenty, no matter who their ancestors were. Israel have no right to act the way it does in palestinian territories that's for sure, and some of its leaders should be judged for war crimes. But Palestinians worst enemy is certainely the Hamas.
Edt: But I agree, most of western countries share the guilt.
Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused. The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused. The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed.
Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.
Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat. The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.
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I don't believe there is any archaeological evidence of a relationships between the mythical tribes of Israel and the Palestinians or the Israelis today.
The historical existence of the twelve tribes and the people mentioned in the bible is doubtful.
The historical existence of the twelve tribes and the people mentioned in the bible is doubtful.
No one said there was.
If you re-read what I wrote, that's not what was stated. What was stated was that there was genetic evidence.
You have commited, in debate terms, the err of 'logical fallacy'
"pointing out a logical fallacy is a way of removing an argument from the debate rather than just weakening it. Much of the time, a debater will respond to an argument by simply stating a counterargument showing why the original argument is not terribly significant in comparison to other concerns, or shouldn't be taken seriously, or whatever. That kind of response is fine, except that the original argument still remains in the debate"
How about you directly address the point that I did make instead ?
If you re-read what I wrote, that's not what was stated. What was stated was that there was genetic evidence.
You have commited, in debate terms, the err of 'logical fallacy'
"pointing out a logical fallacy is a way of removing an argument from the debate rather than just weakening it. Much of the time, a debater will respond to an argument by simply stating a counterargument showing why the original argument is not terribly significant in comparison to other concerns, or shouldn't be taken seriously, or whatever. That kind of response is fine, except that the original argument still remains in the debate"
How about you directly address the point that I did make instead ?
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what genetic evidence?
What do we know about the genes from biblical people?
:?: :?:
What do we know about the genes from biblical people?
:?: :?:
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Yes Spice It's true people are being Hypocritical about this situation.
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There's just so much hate in those regions that it's not a place to be, despite the "sanctuaries" which are just visual statues which trigger a mental state of mind because of artificial soul manifestation. Once it was originally programmed by an architect and founded through his personal consciousness (the weird trait of the homo sapiens to deify prophets or saints 
). Even though it has converted itself into might and politics, it's still the same fanatism. Due to certain lacks of civilisation and common sense they don't see the matrix they are in so there's no possibility of actual redemption.
Somehow I have always embraced the west coast of America, whether it is British Columbia, California or Peru.
). Even though it has converted itself into might and politics, it's still the same fanatism. Due to certain lacks of civilisation and common sense they don't see the matrix they are in so there's no possibility of actual redemption.Somehow I have always embraced the west coast of America, whether it is British Columbia, California or Peru.
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archeological evidence of supposedly historical mythology to me often seems highly intriguing, especially when it is supposed to prove something like for example "oh so important" assumptions.
most mythologial historians to me are often flimsy appearances, yet i don't doubt that even when it shows they are notorious liars, there might percolate a tiny grain of truth through the grid of "cooked lies".
peace
most mythologial historians to me are often flimsy appearances, yet i don't doubt that even when it shows they are notorious liars, there might percolate a tiny grain of truth through the grid of "cooked lies".
peace
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Time for some hope here: people can be friends when they want to!
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You know the old business saying, "The three most important factors are Location, Location and LOCATION". Well there's some truth to that. Two historical religions (that came from the same branch) are disputing over who deserves to live in a location based on a book written thousands of years ago. Ironically, I've asked some devout Judaism followers, and about half are adamant that Israel was only supposed to come to light when a Messiah would appear. So the real question is, are we so naive to think that this is a religious issue?
Magickmumu ---> agreed
Magickmumu ---> agreed
Ignorance dictates the western mind.
There aren't many people aware of the fact that Nazareth, the supposed birthplace of Jesus (which it wasn't since he never existed), was famous because of a big Osiris/Dyonosys sanctuary nearby. There aren't also many people aware of the fact that history as we know it, especially the history put forth by the catholic church since let's say, 200-300 CE, is a falsified history,
There are even less people aware of the fact that the character of Paul, wasn't the person as the bible would want you to believe: 'the big heretic hunter'. Before the shadow of the cross fell over Jeruzalem (to blatantly quote Terence once more
), there was no difference between paganism & christianity and Paul was known as a big gnostic leader by the majority of pneumatic Christians.
Jewish scholars, as Christians, love to inform you that Greek philosophers where inspired by Moses while it was the other way around, the writers of he Moses story where inspired by Paganism and Plato (among other things) and the Jesus story is in essence the same thing, rewritten to appeal to the people who lived in that time.
Most people are not aware of the historic fact that nobody believed Jesus Christ was anything else than a myth until roughly 200 years after the story was conveived.
The story of Jesus, with all miracles, resurrecting Lazarus, being in the tombe for three days etc..., is far from unique. When I first read about this, there where at least 15 other stories known that told the exact same story only these stories where not situated in Israel but other countries and where hundreds sometimes thousands of years older. The last time I checked, this number has gone up to 30.
One satirist from the beginning of the common era commented intelligently that in all countries people celebrated the myth of the dying godman while the Christians want us to believe that THEIR dying godman, actually really lived, which was as preposterous a suggestion then, as it is now.
The real issue is not religion but the people who follow it and choose to live in denial and refuse to look at the evidence presented. People choose to believe books that are thousands of years old, haven't been decently translated until recently and have been orchestrated by proven monsters (just read some early Roman history to figure out what a monster the founder of literalist Christianity was).
As the gnostics where supposed to say back then:
'Religion (believing) is for peasants who lack the experience of the one true God that we are all'
This experience has been prohibited and prosecuted for 2000 years now. It's not a joke to say:
"the war on drugs is the protestant continuation of the catholic inquisition and witch hunts'.
Love/peace
HC
There aren't many people aware of the fact that Nazareth, the supposed birthplace of Jesus (which it wasn't since he never existed), was famous because of a big Osiris/Dyonosys sanctuary nearby. There aren't also many people aware of the fact that history as we know it, especially the history put forth by the catholic church since let's say, 200-300 CE, is a falsified history,
There are even less people aware of the fact that the character of Paul, wasn't the person as the bible would want you to believe: 'the big heretic hunter'. Before the shadow of the cross fell over Jeruzalem (to blatantly quote Terence once more
), there was no difference between paganism & christianity and Paul was known as a big gnostic leader by the majority of pneumatic Christians. Jewish scholars, as Christians, love to inform you that Greek philosophers where inspired by Moses while it was the other way around, the writers of he Moses story where inspired by Paganism and Plato (among other things) and the Jesus story is in essence the same thing, rewritten to appeal to the people who lived in that time.
Most people are not aware of the historic fact that nobody believed Jesus Christ was anything else than a myth until roughly 200 years after the story was conveived.
The story of Jesus, with all miracles, resurrecting Lazarus, being in the tombe for three days etc..., is far from unique. When I first read about this, there where at least 15 other stories known that told the exact same story only these stories where not situated in Israel but other countries and where hundreds sometimes thousands of years older. The last time I checked, this number has gone up to 30.
One satirist from the beginning of the common era commented intelligently that in all countries people celebrated the myth of the dying godman while the Christians want us to believe that THEIR dying godman, actually really lived, which was as preposterous a suggestion then, as it is now.
The real issue is not religion but the people who follow it and choose to live in denial and refuse to look at the evidence presented. People choose to believe books that are thousands of years old, haven't been decently translated until recently and have been orchestrated by proven monsters (just read some early Roman history to figure out what a monster the founder of literalist Christianity was).
As the gnostics where supposed to say back then:
'Religion (believing) is for peasants who lack the experience of the one true God that we are all'
This experience has been prohibited and prosecuted for 2000 years now. It's not a joke to say:
"the war on drugs is the protestant continuation of the catholic inquisition and witch hunts'.
Love/peace
HC
Hi HC long time no speak.
That's some good stuff you said^
I am fascinated at the way history has been warped and altered by these invisible hands.
They shaped everything into the fucked up mess that it is today.
I am always looking for good reading on the topics you mentioned.
Got any?
That's some good stuff you said^
I am fascinated at the way history has been warped and altered by these invisible hands.
They shaped everything into the fucked up mess that it is today.
I am always looking for good reading on the topics you mentioned.
Got any?
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"religion is the opiate of the people." - karl marx
people = masses
masses = blind
peace :weedman:
people = masses
masses = blind
peace :weedman:
