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Contrary to popular impression, waterpipes don't necessarily protect smokers from harmful tars in marijuana smoke, according to a new study sponsored by MAPS and California NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). The reason is that waterpipes filter out more psychoactive THC than they do other tars, thereby requiring users to smoke more to reach their desired effect. The study does not rule out the possibility that waterpipes could have other benefits, such as filtering out gases, but it suggests that other methods, such as the use of high potency marijuana, vaporizers, or oral ingestion are needed to avoid harmful toxins in marijuana smoke.

Seven Devices Tested

The study, which was supported by the Drug Policy Foundation and private donors, was conducted at a research lab with expertise in the analysis of various chemical properties of tobacco and marijuana. Researchers tested the smoke from seven different sources: a regular rolled joint, a joint with a cigarette filter, three different waterpipes, and two vaporizers, designed to heat marijuana to a temperature where psychoactive vapors form without producing smoke. The waterpipes included a standard bong , a small portable device with a folding pipestem , and a battery-operated model with a motorized paddle to thoroughly mix the smoke in the water . The first vaporizer , commercially produced in Canada, consisted of a battery-powered metal hot plate inside a jar to trap the marijuana vapor. The second was a homemade, hybrid apparatus, in which vapors were produced by a hot air gun and then drawn through a beaker of water, thereby combining vaporization with water filtration. The smoke was produced from standard NIDA-supplied marijuana drawn through a smoking machine adjusted to mimic the puff length of marijuana smokers.

Focus: Cannabinoid/Tar Ratio

The study focused on two key components of the smoke: (1) total solid particulates, or tars, which are noxious waste by-products of burning leaf like those from tobacco; and (2) cannabinoids, the chemicals distinctive to marijuana, including its major psychoactive ingredient, delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), and its two commonest chemical relatives, cannabinol (CBN) and cannabidiol (CBD), which are only weakly psychoactive but may have medical benefits.

Like tobacco, marijuana tars are rich in carcinogenic compounds known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, which are a prime culprit in smoking-related cancers. However, cannabinoids themselves are not carcinogenic. An obvious way to protect smokers' health is therefore to minimize the content of smoke tars relative to cannabinoids.

One way to do this is to increase the THC potency of the marijuana. Assuming smokers adjust their smoke intake to the cannabinoid dosage, the higher the concentration of cannabinoids, the lower the amount of tars they are likely to consume.

Another strategy is to try to reduce the tars in the smoke with some kind of filtering device. Obviously, this is beneficial only to the extent that THC isn't also reduced, thereby inducing users to smoke more to compensate. A major aim of the study was to determine the efficacy of various smoking devices at reducing the concentration of tars relative to cannabinoids. The performance of each device was accordingly rated in terms of the cannabinoid-to-tar ratio in its smokestream.

Joints and Waterpipes

Surprisingly, the unfiltered joint outperformed all devices except the vaporizers, with a ratio of about 1 part cannabinoids to 13 parts tar. This disturbingly poor ratio may be explained by the low potency of the NIDA-supplied marijuana used in the study, which was around 2.3%.

Disappointingly, waterpipes performed uniformly worse than the unfiltered joint. The least bad waterpipe, the bong, produced 30% more tar per cannabinoids than the unfiltered joint. Ironically, the pipe with the electric mixer scored by far the worst of any device. This suggests that water filtration is actually counterproductive, apparently because water tends to absorb THC more readily than noxious tars. Like the waterpipes, the cigarette filter also performed worse than the unfiltered joint, by about 30%. Researchers speculate this is because cannabinoids are exceptionally sticky and adhere to other solids. Hence, any filtration system that picks up particulates is likely also to screen out cannabinoids.

Vaporizers

The vaporizer results appeared more promising, but confusing. The two vaporizers were the only devices to outscore unfiltered joints in terms of raw cannabinoid/tar ratio. The electric hotplate vaporizer did best, with a performance ratio about 25% higher than the unfiltered joint. The hot air gun was just marginally superior, but might have done better had it not been for its water filtration component.

However, the situation was complicated by the fact that the cannabinoids produced by the electric hotplate vaporizer were unusually high in CBN, leaving 30% less THC as a percentage of the total cannabinoids than with the other smoking devices. Since CBN is not psychoactive like THC, recreational users might be expected to consume more smoke to make up for the deficit. (The situation may be different for medical users, who could experience other, medicinal benefits from CBN). For this reason, it seemed advisable to recompute the performance efficiencies of the vaporizers in terms of THC, rather than all cannabinoids. When this was done, the electric hotplate vaporizer turned out to have a lower THC/tar ratio than the unfiltered joint, while the hot air gun was still marginally higher.

The reason for the excess CBN from the hotplate vaporizer remains unexplained. Because CBN is produced from THC by chemical oxidation, it has been suggested that the device somehow exposed the sample to too much oxygen. However, there is no evidence that this was the case. As for the second, hybrid vaporizer, it seems likely that its performance could have been improved by deleting its water component.

The results clearly indicate that more developmental work needs to be done on vaporizers. Theoretically, an ideal vaporizer could minimize production of tars by holding the temperature above the point at which THC vaporizes, but below that where carcinogenic hydrocarbons are produced by combustion [Note] In practice, both vaporizers produced over ten times more tars than cannabinoids, indicating that there is plenty of room for improvement.

In the late 1970s, a vaporizer known as the Tilt appeared on the market. According to the manufacturer, laboratory tests showed that it released 80% more THC and 79% less tar than a regular pipe, a performance ratio almost ten times better than any observed in this study. It is to be hoped that these impressive results can be replicated in the future. Unfortunately, the Tilt was withdrawn from the market in the early 1980s due to the passage of anti-paraphernalia laws.

As for waterpipes, the prospects for improvement appear more dubious. It has been suggested that the performance of waterpipes could be improved by using liquids other than water or by changing the temperature of the liquid. However, it seems doubtful whether such tactics would circumvent the basic problem of separating the tars from the sticky cannabinoids.

Are Waterpipes Counterproductive?

The study results are obviously discomforting to waterpipe enthusiasts, many of whom prefer the cooler, milder smoke they produce, and have naturally assumed it is also more healthful. Unfortunately, however, the study indicates that waterpipes may actually be counterproductive in increasing consumption of carcinogenic tars.

Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits.

MAPS and California NORML are planning to undertake a second phase of the waterpipe study for the purpose of analyzing the gaseous phase of marijuana smoke.

In the meantime, the easiest way for most smokers to avoid harmful smoke toxins may be simply to smoke stronger marijuana. This strategy is apt to be more effective than any smoke filtration device. By simply replacing the low, 2.3% potency NIDA marijuana used in this study with high-quality 12%-sinsemilla, smokers could presumably reduce their tar intake by a factor of five while still achieving the same effect. Further improvements could be had by using pure THC or hash oil, which has been tested at potencies of 60%.

The notion that high-potency marijuana is less harmful directly contradicts official government propaganda, which maintains that marijuana has become more dangerous since the '60s due to increased potency. This claim appears to rest less on scientific evidence than on the desire to frighten the public. A careful analysis of government data by Dr. John Morgan has shown that the supposed increase in potency has been greatly exaggerated [American Marijuana Potency: Data Versus Conventional Wisdom, NORML Reports (1994)]. In any case, however, there is no good reason to presume that higher potency marijuana is more harmful, given the potential respiratory benefits of reduced smoke consumption. The hazards of excessive potency are purported to be an increased risk of acute overdose and greater susceptibility to dependency. However, both problems can be avoided if users adjust their dosage to potency. For most users, such hazards may well be outweighed by the benefits of reduced smoke consumption.

Research in Australia

The Australian government is currently conducting another study that may cast further light on the effects of potency variations. The study is designed to determine baseline THC, tar, and carbon monoxide levels from marijuana and marijuana-tobacco mixtures smoked through joints and waterpipes. The samples being tested come from police seizures in six different Australian states. Researchers say that they have observed "incredible" variations in tar and THC potency among different samples. Their report is expected shortly.

THC Transfer Rate

The MAPS-NORML study provides new information on the efficiency of different devices in delivering THC from marijuana to the user. Previous studies have shown that 60% - 80% of the THC burned in joints or waterpipes is lost in slipstream smoke, adhesion to the pipestem and bowl, pyrolysis, etc. [Mario Perez-Reyes, Marijuana Smoking: Factors that Influence the Bioavailability of Tetrahydrocannabinol, in C. Nora Chiang and Richard Hawks, ed., Research Findings on Smoking of Abused Substances, NIDA Research Monograph 99, 1990]. The percentage of total THC delivered to the user is called the THC transfer rate. The unfiltered joint scored surprisingly well in smoking efficiency, coming in second place with a transfer rate close to 20%. The portable waterpipe did slightly better, and the bong slightly worse. The other devices did notably worse. The vaporizers and electric waterpipe did especially poorly, with transfer rates less than one-third that of the top three devices. Thus, heavy smokers could literally be blowing most of their stash away with bad pipes.
 

HappyMind

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Interesting article.
I think that everybody who gives about his health, should buy a vaporizer (or at least a pure pipe) and take the weed/hash more orally.
It's way more intense and more healthier :)
 

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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh... well yeah but for eating you need more amounts of weed that kinda sucks! :D

edit: does the article imply that pipes without water are supposed to be better than bongs with water? and pipes are better for health too than joints?? well that's clear, because with a pipe you don't smoke paper... ;)

quite confusing is this..well at least smoking a bong feels healthier than smoking a joint :D at least for me

Peace!
 

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VAPORIZE IT!!!
 

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well i know for sure from my experience that vaporizing plant material is really sad, due to low yield of active principles from the material, on the other hand if you can vaporize the hash oil (pure active principle) then is da bes! cause you are not burning anything no plant, no paper and it's pure hash oil going to your lungs...
so if you care for your health
make hash oil
then VAPORIZE IT!!
 

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hey mate! i can tell ya!! it doesn't even need to be hash oil...fine weed does it too in a vaporizer.... MAN i really felt good after inhaling for 10 min this shit... it was like i was being medically treated... FUCKING AMAZING!! but also beware... i heard some ppl sell vaporized weed without THC which then is a bit brown i heard or less smell i'm not sure...

PEACE! :weedman:
 

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I like how the classical joint (my choice) outperformed all those pipes and bongs.
 

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i like making my own pipes out of bottles and alumnium wrap :)

but mostly i smoke through the "wet" rocket, which is made out of 2 bottles big one and small one, cut off the upper part of bigger one, and lower part of the small one. make a bowl out of alumnium wrap and cap. it's easy cut a hole in the middle of your cap, put a little bit of alumnium wrap on the top of the cap - then shove it into the hole. fix it up with duct tape. make holes. (you should take enough alumnium to cover the cap completely) put the weed into your self-made bowl. pour water into the big bottle, it should be almost full. put the little bottle into the second one (no bowl on it!). bolt on the bowl with weed onto your small bottle. light it up, and pull up until little bottle is almost out of water - unbolt and hit! do it slowly by carfeully putting the little bottle down and hitin' the smoke that's comin' out. 100% hits - you will lose none of your weed. try it sometime.
 

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I agree with my pro-vaporizer psychonauts.
I bought a Volcano vaporizer 13 months ago, and it's the best purchase I've ever made. I rarely cough up all that nasty stuff associated with smoking, I spend significantly less money on marijuana due to the Volcano's efficiency, and I'm much safer from authorities.
I know there are a lot of low-grade vaporizers on the market, so I figured I would stop smoking for awhile and save the money I would've used for marijuana to buy a Volcano. The lack of phlegm I mentioned earlier may not sound like a big deal, but for somebody who uses marijuana at least once a day it makes for quite a health benefit.
I can generally spend about $10 (which, unfortunately, only gets about 1.5g of commercial grade in the US) and I'll be set for a week vaporizing daily.
Living in college dormitory, I can assure you that it is MUCH safer to vaporize - but still use extreme safety precautions and ventilation techniques - than it is to walk around with a joint outside.
On the other hand, when it all comes down to it, I think we can all admit that introducing a foreign substance into our respiratory systems is a little unhealthy, regardless of how we do it. This is a small price to pay for the social and spiritual growth I gained via cannabis products.
 

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I want a Volcano vaporizer :cry:
 

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BAD NEWS

Less than four hours after I posted my praises to the Volcano, it was confiscated and I was charged with possession of drug paraphernalia! Kind of ironic that right after I brag about how safe it is I get caught with it!

What a shame. Fortunately, in the jurisdiction I'm in it is easy to get off such a charge. I will have to go through a 'diversion program' in which I take a three hour class about the "dangers" of marijuana and then do some community service. If I don't get in legal trouble for two more months, they reduce it to a disorderly conduct.

I won't bore you all with the long story, but basically I live in a college dorm and some student security guards (who are like 20 years old...) were lurking around outside my door. My friend saw them through the peephole and I put everything in the locking box that came with the Volcano.
The locked box was hidden under the bed and the security banged on the door. They tried to threaten and intimidate me - the one even tried to play the 'good cop' character by saying he wasn't going to write me up, he just needed to know the source of the marijuana odor so he could leave.
I had two idiot friends with me who must not be familiar with their rights. I'm not sure of the details, but one must've confessed to my secret stash while the other guard had me in the hall. Next thing I know, they take me back to the outside of my room and I see the formerly locked box OPENED and my vaporizer exposed.
I told them, as I had been telling them this whole time, that I have nothing to say and I want a lawyer. I suggested they call the police if they have a problem, otherwise I was going to go back in my room. The cop came and gave me a citation for possession of paraphernalia.

I don't know about you guys, but this seems like an illegal seizure in US law. If i can find a lawyer with enough skill to successfully file a motion to suppress evidence, their case is done for. I NEVER HAD A DRUG CHARGE BEFORE, SO ANY ADVICE WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED!
 

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Sorry to hear that BirdGame, good luck.. you might try searching various drug war websites to see what you can dig up for info/support.. all I can think of off the top of my head. I hear that south Australia just banned bongs too as well..

such insanity.
 

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>zig-zags

Tastes soooo much better :D
 

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if you use hot water in a bong less of the smoke condences out on the surface of the bubbles, so dont end up in the bong water. makes no difference to the amount of tar you smoke, probubly increases it, but increases the amount of thc you get into your bloodstream. takes a while to get used to yhe taste but if you are going to smoke a bong then you will get used to it
 

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I know I'm 2 months late but, to BirdGame: Since they could smell the pot, and one of your friends told them where it was your screwed. If they forced entry though, (entered room with no permission) than you might have something depending on the bylaws I'm sure dorm rooms have.
 

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Neuromancer a dit:
i like making my own pipes out of bottles and alumnium wrap :)

but mostly i smoke through the "wet" rocket, which is made out of 2 bottles big one and small one, cut off the upper part of bigger one, and lower part of the small one. make a bowl out of alumnium wrap and cap. ..].
the local yobs were smoking one of these in my garden recently. you can make a dry one by taping a poly bag to the cut base and using it as a diaphram. stuff it into the base of the bottle and pull it out slowly while you burn your weed. not as cooling but more portable. dificult to eat in a bust though
 
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