this is a side track thread from
http://forum.psychonaut.com/showfla...w=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#19626
please bear with me , and have a read through
how about applying existing European law , to get Entheogens, Psychedelic experiences, Shamanic rituals accepted by the European court..?
below i pasted the principles , the ones that apply to the situation
note , it would most likely be impossible to make the case stick if you present it as
"all psychedelics" , since the court would most likely rule in a compromise
if you go for allow all psychedelics based on religion , they would figure that
if you can use any psychedelic, then let's allow the one that poses the least risk
eg , that might be something mild and not popular
the idea is ( and this is Leary's idea , not mine ) to make a petition based on freedom of religion
and do it from a spiritual stand point , with a fixed sacrament, so that anything that prohibits you from using your sacrament, is a form of discrimination. this way , the ruling cannot be a compromise
so practically , to get this rolling , we would need a group of people, or just one ( with enough determination and funds) to start a legal petition based on the sacrament he wants ( for me , that would be LSD ) and why he wants it (entheogism, spiritual connect with inner god, shamanic ritual) and at the same time make clear that this is not about partying, and any form of escapisme
that case would then hopefully work out in favour of the petitioner,
and once that's sorted, it can be use by other groups when they petition for their own sacrament
in a similar , analog fashion
note i take lsd , since it's my favorite, and also because it is the most powerfull one, it's also the most researched one, and the most outlawed one ( outlawed based on in many cases , dubious reasons ) so if that one is "liberated" for spiritual use, then other cases should be even easier
now , i'm not a lawyer, and frankly don't have the funds right now to get one but maybe somebody here knows one
i'de very much like to hear his view on this case.
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 00X1218(01):EN:HTML
exerpts of the text
Chapter I
Article 3
Right to the integrity of the person
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.
Chapter II
FREEDOMS
Article 6
Right to liberty and security
Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.
Article 10
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
Chapter II
EQUALITY
Article 20
Equality before the law
Everyone is equal before the law.
Article 21
Non-discrimination
1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
2. Within the scope of application of the Treaty establishing the European Community and of the Treaty on European Union, and without prejudice to the special provisions of those Treaties, any discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited.
Article 22
Cultural, religious and linguistic diversity
The Union shall respect cultural, religious and linguistic diversity.
http://forum.psychonaut.com/showfla...w=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#19626
please bear with me , and have a read through
how about applying existing European law , to get Entheogens, Psychedelic experiences, Shamanic rituals accepted by the European court..?
below i pasted the principles , the ones that apply to the situation
note , it would most likely be impossible to make the case stick if you present it as
"all psychedelics" , since the court would most likely rule in a compromise
if you go for allow all psychedelics based on religion , they would figure that
if you can use any psychedelic, then let's allow the one that poses the least risk
eg , that might be something mild and not popular
the idea is ( and this is Leary's idea , not mine ) to make a petition based on freedom of religion
and do it from a spiritual stand point , with a fixed sacrament, so that anything that prohibits you from using your sacrament, is a form of discrimination. this way , the ruling cannot be a compromise
so practically , to get this rolling , we would need a group of people, or just one ( with enough determination and funds) to start a legal petition based on the sacrament he wants ( for me , that would be LSD ) and why he wants it (entheogism, spiritual connect with inner god, shamanic ritual) and at the same time make clear that this is not about partying, and any form of escapisme
that case would then hopefully work out in favour of the petitioner,
and once that's sorted, it can be use by other groups when they petition for their own sacrament
in a similar , analog fashion
note i take lsd , since it's my favorite, and also because it is the most powerfull one, it's also the most researched one, and the most outlawed one ( outlawed based on in many cases , dubious reasons ) so if that one is "liberated" for spiritual use, then other cases should be even easier
now , i'm not a lawyer, and frankly don't have the funds right now to get one but maybe somebody here knows one
i'de very much like to hear his view on this case.
http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/lex/LexUri ... 00X1218(01):EN:HTML
exerpts of the text
Chapter I
Article 3
Right to the integrity of the person
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his or her physical and mental integrity.
Chapter II
FREEDOMS
Article 6
Right to liberty and security
Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.
Article 10
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion. This right includes freedom to change religion or belief and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or in private, to manifest religion or belief, in worship, teaching, practice and observance.
Chapter II
EQUALITY
Article 20
Equality before the law
Everyone is equal before the law.
Article 21
Non-discrimination
1. Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic features, language, religion or belief, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited.
2. Within the scope of application of the Treaty establishing the European Community and of the Treaty on European Union, and without prejudice to the special provisions of those Treaties, any discrimination on grounds of nationality shall be prohibited.
Article 22
Cultural, religious and linguistic diversity
The Union shall respect cultural, religious and linguistic diversity.