dosage veeery fat pedro/peruvianus

[scamie]

hi everybody, i bought a big fat tricho from cactusplaza a year ago. It was wel rooted and very fat. Now i am not sure its a pedro/ terchecki or a peruvianus. I have like 100 grams powder..
1.what would be the right dose for two persons??? 50 grams each? would that be save even if its very potent?

2. is it maybe a good idea to test a little bit in front... say 10 grams,,,, or 15... something like that.

3.Also i cant deside the best methode of ingestion.. some source say eating powder... others say its better to boil abit into tea....

4. Is overdosing a real possibility with 50 grams powder?
rgrds scamie

 

[GOD]

"others say its better to boil abit into tea"

Dont do it , its like drinking snot and filtering it is a no no .

If i were you i`d put it on a piece of paper and just let it drop down your throat and then drink something like orange juice to wash it down with .

 

[scamie]

Yeah they say its really nasty, and i was thinking about eating it dry, slamming it down with water.
But will the effects be more intense when boiled?
is it wise to test ride the powder or just take the 50 grams each? what do you think?

 

[GOD]

,"But will the effects be more intense when boiled?"

Probably a little(?) because it would be extracted into the water , but liquid snot that tastes EXTRA double shity........

I´d test it if i were you , if you have enough , who knows how strong it is ????? If you havent got enough to test...... do the full dose and hold onto your socks........

If i were me i`d do it all ..........

I found three diferent types of ayahuasca analog in bottles . I know one has 4 doses in it , one has 10 and one has 30 and i dont know which is wich . Since then i`m itching to find out........

 

[scamie]

would 10 grams be a nice test dose?

 

[Meduzz]

If you would know that, it wouldn't be a test dose would it?

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

TEST DOSE? U MUST BE JOCKING!? FIRST, THIS IS NOT PERUVIAN CACTI, IT IS SHOP CACTI, WHERE U LIVE? ARIZONA, N.MEXICO, TEXAS, MAROCO, LIBYA, INDIA? DU NOT THINK SO.

ALSO IF U WILL TAKE HALF, VERY LIKELY THAT U WILL NOT XP REAL VOYAGE!! USE ALL, COOK LOOOONG ON LOW FIRE. FIRST EAT HARD STUFF AND THEN DRINK TEA. DRINK TEA AFTER 40MINUTES FROM EATING SLUDGE! CELLULOSE IS HARD TO DIGEST JUST AS ANY PLANT BY HUMAN. HOT WATER IS GOOD SUCKER OF ALKALOIDS FROM PLANTS. ESPECIALLY ONES LIKE MESCALINE WITH SUPERB CONNECTIONS IN THE CACTI CELLS! WHY MESCALINE CAN BE STORED IN DRY CACTI FOR 10 AND MORE YEARS??

 

[Lion]

i would say take the full 50 grams in one time. but what kind of cactus was it?
peyote is stronger then san pedro or peruvianus..

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

i would say take the full 50 grams in one time. but what kind of cactus was it?
peyote is stronger then san pedro or peruvianus..

WE ARE TALKING BOUT ECHINOPSIS CACTI or TRICHORICEREUS

 

[scamie]

Allard from cactusplaza said that he bought wholesale alot of these big guys and taht they where cuttings imported from south america.. they are like 15 cm in diameter !!! It has very long spines and it look slike peruvianus or maybe tercheckii
they dont look like pachanoi or bridgesii..
I think i go for the cooking... goran.. i think you are right... the stomach may have more difficulties and putting a lot of energy into breaking down the plant tissue, so cooking and helping your system to "pre digest", sounds logical..
But ... 50 grams is alot if the potency is say High... even with a potency of 1%. gives a trip of 500mg of mescaline.. imagine if it is veeery potent say 1,5... wich will be 750 trip..... thats very high.... i do not know if i am ready for that the first time...
Maybe take 30 grams first and after 2 hours take another 20grams?

 

[scamie]

this is it

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

MAN! This cacti doesn't looks to me as Echinopsis specie! To much spikes! Spines everywhere! Everywhere small and sharp spines! Tricho doesn't have so much thorns-spikes?!
I grow cacti almost a decade and never bumped on Echino like this. Shape and ribs are fine, like, characteristic for Tricho, but spines?? Tooo much. Need some time to research Bridgeshi characteristic pict and grow rate-looks-seed-ways-how-when (every cacti grower would do that, :wink: )

BUT SALVIA LOOKS GREAT!! I DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MINE? :?: LEAFS ARE FALLING, BROWNING BEFORE, DRYING OUT. I DO NOT KEEP HER ON SUN, SHE LAYS DOWN IN SHADE. 40CM HEIGHT AND 6 LEAF'S ON HER!!!! :roll: WHAT IS HAPPENING? SHIT ME IF I KNOW!
HOPING THAT SHE WILL SURVIVE THIS PERIOD OF ROUGH TIME AND START TO BLOSSOM. PRAYING TO BE TRUE.

 

[GOD]

I dont know what the fat ones are but they are not Trichocereus Peruvianus or Pachanoi . The smaller one at the back on the left looks like a Pachanoi hybred or Peruvianus to me . The one on the right looks to me like Pachanoi .

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Trichocereus bridgesii OR Echinopsis lageniformis THIS COULD BE? I GROW CACTI AND I HAVE SEEN SHIT LOAD OF CHRISTATES AND NON LIKE NORMAL ONE SPECIE SPECIFICATION OF THAT CACTI. NATURE IS WILD!

CACTUSPLAZA ISN'T SHIT SELL SHOP! THEY SERIOUSLY SELL THEIR STUFF! NO SHIT!

RIBS AND SIZE IS LIKE ECHINOPSIS CACTI. BUT SPINES ARE TO THICK AND "RUBBERIZEING". WHO THE HELL KNOWS?

 

[scamie]

goran: that happend to mine also... maybe repot, mist everyday, and dont overfeed!!!
the tricho maybe terchekii??? allard spoke to some one who thought that was a option

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Echinopsis terscheckii
(Trichocereus terscheckii) is gigantic cacti!! Fucking tree! When I say tree I mean it! But also I do not know how big they grow per year. Need to do some research, of course if U want(and ask my mentor, cacti specialist)

Terscheckii have more spines which are like rubber, can't be easily broken. Pedro's one brake instantly.

How much mescaline this cacti haves? Not so much, even lesser then all Echinopsis species. I have made some calculations from Erowid, Wiki, mentors knowledge and cacti growing and biological books and conclusion is this: TERSCHECKII have alkaloid percentage from 0.01%-2.375%. Very little. Meaning that U will need to eat big amounts of it. Calculate medium percentage of alkaloids per 100 dry grams. Medium number is (for my count and I do not miss never.sometimes but only slight +/- amounts)
0.18% for your cacti, cacti from pictures.And this is positive limit. Negative limit for my counting is 0.12%. So how much U need for active dose? Of course if we are talking bout Terscheckii cacti. Your amount of alkaloids from dry material is going to be 555,555*.* milligrams of alkaloids(mescaline is main component). But this is also very high calculation!! I would say that cacti contains something like half of this 555mg.

(also if I calculated right!!-PLEASE POST YOUR CALCULATION OF HOW MANY ALKALOIDS HAVE DRY CACTI MATERIAL IF U HAVE 0.18% OF THEM IN DRY CACTI MATERIAL)

But also I have to see if your cacti is psydelic one! It's hard to tell now before flowering time or part of life.

PEACE
LIGHT
BLESS
LOVE

 

[mrvn]

I made a thee of a piece of cacti from cactusplaza about a week ago
the weight was 955 gram.
did itt work?? yes it did FUCKING HELL!!
I started drinking round 10p.m. but i think i had system shock i felt real sick for a while but this was like a hour and a half after i felt the first effect of the thee.
(i also had astma when i was a little boy and i was tripping balls and found it verry hard to breathe not so nice when you are tripping)
i think i drunk the thee a bit to fast (i had 250 ml of thee and gulpt it down in 2 sips whitin a half hour) and i also did not remove the skin before cooking.
but afterall it was a verry strange experience i felt really bad for a while and really thought that i had a bad trip but i got over that by keep thinking that everything would be alright in a couple of hours and that worked.
i don't know if i got any sleep that night but i had a weird ''dream'' or something like that wich felt very real but i cant tell what it was about. still went to amsterdam the next day chilling whit some friends and had a nice day.
i can't remember a lot of my trip (all i know for sure is that i felt real shity and really good at the same time) but i know one thing for sure I can handel anything and that is the only thing i learned from it.
next time ill change my dieet before tripping and trip when its daytime and maybe not alone. :thumbsup:

 

[VerusDeus]

Thank god you didn't peel the skin off before boiling it, the skin is the most potent part.

I had a 50 gram bag of peruvian torch dried skin powder, supposedly a dutch grown. The first time I tried it I went for the 25 gram dose, which was a good dose, not to much hallucinations but I tripped like heeell
(I did that first trip with snot-preparation a.k.a. tea, god that's awfull. It was like 6 months ago, and I still feel sick to my stomache when I think of the vile texture and taste of that stuff)

Second time I split the remaining 25 grams with a friend, so we both had 12.5 grams. Though the dosage was minimal the trip was excellent, very mild visuals but a very nice rush etc.
This trip we used the gagging-dried-snot method, just pouring the powder down our throats as deep as we could, then quickly washing it away. But don't get your hopes up, because it's still insanely nasty.

Hope you can use this information! and have a good trip!

Peace

 

[user_1919]

Everywhere small and sharp spines! Tricho doesn't have so much thorns-spikes?!

My cactus has too a lot of spikes. When I made it into tea it did not work, maybe because it was a different strain of cacti with very very low mescaline content. You said it was becasue it was 'home grown' and did not have a high mesacline content because nature is the only one who can provide sufficient amounts of mescaline.

Is this the cactus they say it is? A Trichocereus Peruvianus

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Ultima]

that is definatly a preuvian torch. but it looks a bit off colour, and the spikes seem a little short. grow it outdoors as much as possible, and restrain from watering it more then once a week. (stress = best!)