Datura stramonium

[mutant]

yeah, you can say that.... not that I am after control and domination, but yep I lean a bit to the dark side. I like the devil while I hate god, because sin is life

 

[Dantediv86]

Nownownow slow down a bit
sin is life and all that ok
but love the devil and hate god
that's totally fucked up

First! the devil doesn't exist nor does god
that is something the Christians invented to hold people from thinking freely and individually
sin is great
or what you consider to be sin (sex drugs and rock and roll)
i believe the act of sex is more (pwerful and devine as a way of praying to a creator, if it exist) than a prayer in a church, just to understand what i mean, hu? :wink:

 

[mutant]

why man,

devil is a symbol, I might be a bit arty or something.

You GOT to love the devil, shit yeah it doesn't exist, like many of the things we worship are entirely fictional.

You got to love all devil-like ancient gods, Pan, Dionysus etc - and devil likes sex... a lot, if you know what I mean...

Now god is a preachy and boring conservative

 

[Dantediv86]

not true
God LOVES sex, drugs and Rock and Roll
otherwise he wouldn't have created them
the Devil is the conservative shit he convinced people to write the Bible and found the Church to press control over them and not let them know that God exists and What God, man...

 

[Meduzz]

God LOVES sex, drugs and Rock and Roll
otherwise he wouldn't have created them

He created it to test us

OK, not true

Bible = "religion-law"
Devil, Satan = the entity that tempts you to sin against "religion-law"
Sin = crime against "religion-law"
Hell = "religion-prison"

It's just a power play...

 

[mutant]

Shit yeaH!

Thats why I say sin, carry on sinning, GOD is dead

sin=crime against the Bible. I say burn the fuc##n thing! we got enough of them in hotel drawers

 

[Dantediv86]

if you burn books you are not different from a fascist

besides
once you have burnt all the bibles how do you proove it was a bad book? people will doubt your word ALWAYS

 

[Meduzz]

And burning all bibles would release a huge amount of CO2 in the air!

 

[Dantediv86]

thanks

 

[sopor]

mutant, i am very interested in satanism. only from a viewer point. you say that you love the devil. and that sin is life. do you sin because you want to opose the church or are you going for the enlightement through sin?

 

[mutant]

if you burn books you are not different from a fascist

I knew someone would say that! That was the point of the "we got enough of them in hotel drawers" comment. Heck I didn't even say burn them all! I said burn the fucking thing! And, anyway, we can use those that we won't burn as toilet paper!!!

LOL

I suspect some people around here don't get my figures of speech.

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And burning all bibles would release a huge amount of CO2 in the air!

exactly, that proves my point! We got too many bibles around! Send this fucking disgrace of the human race for recycling to satisfy our eco-friendly psychonauts

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mutant, i am very interested in satanism. only from a viewer point. you say that you love the devil. and that sin is life. do you sin because you want to opose the church or are you going for the enlightement through sin?

Sopor I am afraid I have to somewhat disappoint you. Me also have an interest in 'satanism' as well as every extreme thing ever made by humans. But I don;t really know much about it. One thing I have figured out , though, is that it's pretty much a philosophy, focused on spirituality and individuality, rather than a 'religion'.

Ok let me get this straight. I love cats. I love my parents and friends. I love Dimitra, my only real love as far as girls are concerned. Now, devil, I like 'him'. Don't get this wrong, again!

Neither god nor devil exists, but devil is a strong symbol. I like what devil represents. The evil, the sin, the magic, freedom.

About that sin is life thing.

I don't believe in sin. I don't believe in ethics set by others for men. I make my own ethics. There is no right or wrong. So there is no sin. Opposing to church is sooooooo out of fashion nowadays... and so fucking easy.... noone gives a fuck about religion anymore. But who can oppose to dominant ethic rules???

I choose to do so, and I might be called an amoralist. That's what it's all about.

 

[gayedohi]

ahh sin, good, bad, right wrong, it's all a matter of perception. god, big g or little g. internal silence and energy, those truly are major keys. oh while i'm here i'd like to thank you for these forems. very informative with good advice and people. wish they had something like this back in 67 when i started on this road. well i'm off to check the ska pastora forem. i kinda love that lady.

 

[sopor]

mutant, i completely understand. moral is indeed just fictional rules. there is no good or bad. it is all one. moral is for the weak. if one is strong enough, he can (must?) set his own rules. do you know the aghori path? i came accros it lately and i must say i like it a lot. but it is difficult to walk it. If you are interested, you can watch a documentary (in 6 parts) about some aghori's life here: http://blog.houseofsutekh.org/2008/01/video-aghori.html the blog is in slovene, but you can just push play.

I also found a interesting article about some yogi, who has been using datura daily for several years (the entheogen review, vernal equinox 2003). i can upload it if anyone is interested, but i have no idea where to upload it. the pdf is 34 MB big.

 

[DaZeD]

I would only do it under the supervision of a shaman. It sounds like one of the most spritual drugs there are and you must treat it with the highest most greatest respect.

Eheh, I don't think there is anything like a Datura shaman, also, I don't think Datura come's even close to a spiritual experience, well, that is if you also think that talking to unexisting people, or to another version of yourself or reading in non-exsisting books is unspiritual ofoarse

Actually, try to find one possitive Datura trip report.
You might have a very hard time... :wink:

 

[Meduzz]

Eheh, I don't think there is anything like a Datura shaman, also, I don't think Datura come's even close to a spiritual experience, well, that is if you also think that talking to unexisting people, or to another version of yourself or reading in non-exsisting books is unspiritual ofoarse

Actually, try to find one possitive Datura trip report.
You might have a very hard time... :wink:

Actually, Datura was often added to an ayahuasca brew to enhance effects.

And here are some positive trip reports:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/ ... nces.shtml

 

[Guest]

And here are some positive trip reports:
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/ ... nces.shtml

Wow, an astonishing 4 positive reports, so there must be more positive experiences out there.
But in comparisson with the negative reports, I'll pass

 

[gayedohi]

those are some interesting reports. all the people i've met who did it only did it once, including me. one guy pushed his van over a cliff because he thought his mom was in it. in my case while i didn't aproach it with the proper respect and it let me know that it wasn't for me. it said no and to make certain i understood it messed up my vision. here i was alone in the desert and could only see a couple feet in front of me and that was extremely fuzzy. my vision finally came back but even now 10 years later i have problems with small print.

 

[Guest]

those are some interesting reports

Except that last one, going for cheap thrills and "loves the shit"

 

[sopor]

I finaly succeded uploading the article. here it is:



worth reading.

 

[scamie]

SOME PROOF OF DATURA USAGE.... I WAS IN INDIA,,, SAW THE SEED POT LYING BY ALTARS OF TEMPLES... AND ALSO HAVE SEEN SADUS SMOKE MASSIVE GANJA AND ALSO DATURA SEEDS.