CONCRETE ideas on how to change this all?

[BrainEater]

Uhuh Lion, that's right. On that island, there won't be any money, make what you need and Share (without expecting something in return). And on the island there will not be a government. No no no no, everybody does what he or she wants to do, if it doesn't harm others.

Of course you can allways take a boat back for a time to get laid (A)


At the time we are okay to go back in society to share the things we've learned and been thinking of, other people can go to the island

If you can make it your own country, it means that you can make your own laws... Or even beter, no laws (yeah, no drug laws on the island!)

expect your country to be overrun in no time.
either from haters or from hippies.

peace

 

[ZOF]

@Braineater

You only have haters if you interfere with other societies.


Also, there already is an asian (i guess) island where shrooms are legal. They've made some great hotels there and everybody comes there to take shrooms. No haters there!


What's wrong with hippies?

 

[druglessdouglas]

open an exclusive eco resort on one side of the island. that would pay for the inevitable medidal expenses, building materials etc. market it as the worlds first women only tropical nudist resort.

 

[BrainEater]

@Braineater

You only have haters if you interfere with other societies.


Also, there already is an asian (i guess) island where shrooms are legal. They've made some great hotels there and everybody comes there to take shrooms. No haters there!


What's wrong with hippies?

i didn't say that there was somethin wrong with them, but i mean an island is an island and maybe there are lots of frustrated hippies out there and if they get to know the new country it will be overrun

nah just jokin... but well you're right haters only come when you interfere with other societies...
but then if they interfere with your new society they know you and therefore can project their hate into you.
there must be a defense for the island. like a machine that detects intruders and launches clouds of LSD or such at them and some stuff like maybe a fake or real head on a spear would bring them maybe their last bad trip of their life.
maybe a mirror would do it also for them ... they'd never come back because they think there were evil demons on the island .... OR they come back in a holy war against demons with their whole troop.

well i say there must be some laws on the island.... LOVE & PEACE would be nice basic rules.

peace.

 

[Guest]

[quote="ZOF

there must be a defense for the island. like a machine that detects intruders and launches clouds of LSD.

I loled hard at that ! =D

 

[ZOF]

Haha, like LSD-chemtrails



But that could be something that everybody needs to do if he want to come to the island. Some sort of ritual on a tryptamine. Maybe indeed with a mirror and music/video playing... So that you can discover a bit of yourself that you can develop on the island.


No, when i was talking with my dad about this plan he told me he would love to come, but we did need weapons for evil people. But if we don't interfere with them we don't have enemies. No weapons, weapons make hate, and kill...


Omg, funny qoute of family guy:
Peter: We have a new society! We need guns!
Meg: No dad, Guns kill!
Peter: Yes, that's why we need guns, to protect us from being killed!

 

[BrainEater]

Haha, like LSD-chemtrails



But that could be something that everybody needs to do if he want to come to the island. Some sort of ritual on a tryptamine. Maybe indeed with a mirror and music/video playing... So that you can discover a bit of yourself that you can develop on the island.


No, when i was talking with my dad about this plan he told me he would love to come, but we did need weapons for evil people. But if we don't interfere with them we don't have enemies. No weapons, weapons make hate, and kill...


Omg, funny qoute of family guy:
Peter: We have a new society! We need guns!
Meg: No dad, Guns kill!
Peter: Yes, that's why we need guns, to protect us from being killed!

haha!! sad but true!! that's the attitude of many americans.


but hell yeah!!! it's a really good idea with the LSD defense! then there had to be a trail to the island that only a sane person could go, all other people would have bad trips and need to go back.

well... it had better be well planned or i don't know what could happen.... all animals around the island go crazy and attack it or whatever...
but for real... the idea of going to an island is really good...

anyway i am sure that if you go to an island or not... what has to be done CONCRETE is that people who do not know of god need to be taught.

well... haha i forgot ,... it is already being done by the church ... haha!!!

What do you mean ? Suicide ? Die for the cause ?

sure that I'd do that.

What do you mean ? Suicide ? Die for the cause ?

live (for) the cause.

We can decide not to play by the rules, but then our lives are going to go through massive alteration, and I must admit that I'm even myself not sure that I'd do that.

decide not to play by the rules and be welcomed in the modern middle age.


peace! :weedman:

 

[Pariah]

This is a fun idea.

Two questions: can you morgage an island, and are there international laws to do with drugs like weed?: if the governments can't touch you, and you can get a morgage, then:

1) get a morgage for your island.

2) grow weed on a huge scale, and "advertise" to those interested in buying large quantity (not our business what they use it for ), that way you don't get hassle from tourists, plenty of money for development / emergencies / extra supplies.

3) be free 8)

 

[Lion]

3) be free 8)

in other words => paradise

 

[Psychoid]

THAT is a wonderful idea, a psychonaut island :unibrow:

If you decide to do it I come that's for sure!!!

Of course no law in there, only three basic rules: Peace, love and respect

Probably not gonna be easy to live on our own, but I prefer this to living in this stupid society I'm currently in.

 

[Forkbender]

Revolution - the Beatles

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

I still think that running away to an island is not the right mindset and somehow connected to an unconscious fear of standing up for yourself.

Peace.

 

[BrainEater]

I still think that running away to an island is not the right mindset and somehow connected to an unconscious fear of standing up for yourself.

it can be the first step to standing up for yourself. even the plain decision can be this.

peace

 

[Forkbender]

My guess is that this will only lead to inertia on some tropical island, without transcending the dualism within ourselves.

 

[Lion]

My guess is that this will only lead to inertia on some tropical island, without transcending the dualism within ourselves.

inglèsa por favor!

 

[Forkbender]

Okay, plain English: I think that once you are comfortable in your hamock and forget about the rest of the world, that there are somehow things that you won't accept within yourself and that you just plain ignore. This is by definition narrow-mindedness.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah... the most dominant evolution of a mind... but does it lead there eventually?? or will one be able to step out of that??

i think once you have a less bigger stream of stimuli around you that attract your attention the chance for narrow-mindedness is bigger, but so is the chance for broad-mindedness.

PEACE :weedman:

 

[ZOF]

@ Forkbender,



Instead free your mind? I'm really busy freeing my mind and becoming more concious of everything. But everytime I go to school, piece by piece i'm being malformed into this perfect puppet to function okay in this society. I don't want that! Every time i watch tv, i see things that aren't right, or lies. I also know that hundreds, thousands or even millions see them too and will believe them and take them for granted. I don't want that.


Do you know that i've been very busy informing people about how this society is controlled and working. I've been doing lectures (all localy) about, in example the food industries, the government, the Bilderberg group etc. The problem is, that a lot of people just don't care. They think it's all fine and they don't want a free mind. If it doesn't hurt them the way they live now, why would they changed. I always tell them that they are the perfect endresult of society and that almost everything they think about or have an opinion on is unconciously done by other things, like media etc. They don't believe it, well, they don't want to believe it.

 

[silv]

I'll have to agree at least to a certain extent with fork. As I've said a couple times before, you have to play the game and get to know the rules in order to change them (imho). That's why I'd never choose to go out of the society I live in. I see too many opportunities to make it better. At the moment I won't be too much of an influence but that's why I'm in college. I need to train my thinking and become more of a scientist before I can really start maybe influencing our society. This is what I feel now. Even though the entire idea of the island ofcourse is in some way really utopia!

 

[Lion]

ZOF, wanna go travel the world with me?
low budget travelling.. :]

 

[ZOF]

Lion, that would be great, and too another dream of me (a little more realistic then the Island though )... Everything always coust money, i'm convinced that I can travel very long, and have a beautiful journey without paying thousand of euro's.

I also think everyone aggrees that when you travel low-budget, that you'll really discover who, and how, you are. Because you're without all the luxury around you and without all the certainty. I'd love it

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