Christianity has to be made illegal

[ararat]

The point that i trying to make is that christians are not bad but the human itself and then use the bible to do bad things and call themself christians whereas it has nothing to do with Christ or the bible.

I don't agree. I'd say books like the Bible and the teachings surrounding them make people blind and thus potentially evil. Psychedelic shamanism is the only useful and beneficial aspect of what Christianity once was, unfortunately it's exactly that aspect which has been abandoned and forgotten. Without the psychedelic experience, the Christian initiation is empty ritual, its values superficial, its ethics artificial, and when you do have psychedelics at hand, what need is there for Christian myth and dogma?

the bible makes nobody blind. from trustable sources (he is a really smart guy, and in no way a christian), I know that the bible is basically a wonderful good book.
BUT what you mean, is what the christians make of it. take, for example, the fundamental christians, those are the real bastards. (the president of the usa is one f.e., to be exact: he is evangelicale.)

and I don't think it's good to blame every christian. there certainly are smart christians, who are open to almost everything. I met one at a metal-concert, smoked some weed with him, and we somehow we came to that topic. (we were at a tribune, and before us sat an old man sleeping (children of bodom just a few metres making music before him ^^), and he wore a rosary)



there is one thing I want to know: how would those christians who bash on the doors of others to tell them about, lets say jehova, or the book mormon. how would they react if I bashed on their door, and told them everything about atheism?
from my point of view, there is no difference between telling an atheist about god and telling christians about atheism.
Unfortunatly no such christian talked to me in a while ^^. but when...

 

[Meduzz]

in every "doctrine" you have fundamentalists, maybe kinda harsh to say on this forum, but in my opinion psychonautism also have potential to breed unhappy fundamentalists that (ironically) narrow their minds regarding psychedelics as "the truth", forgetting that (imho) psychedelics are an aid for a better live, not the purpose of life.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

BUT what you mean, is what the christians make of it.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean the Bible is a misleading book. As misleading as the Bhagavad-gita, Purana's, Quran, Torah and similar scriptures. Tainted. Truth mixed with lies, knowledge mixed with ignorance. But people can't distinguish, while the books themselves assert their own absolute authority.

from my point of view, there is no difference between telling an atheist about god and telling christians about atheism.

True. Atheists tend to be as fanatic, dogmatic and narrowminded as theists.

in every "doctrine" you have fundamentalists, maybe kinda harsh to say on this forum, but in my opinion psychonautism also have potential to breed unhappy fundamentalists that (ironically) narrow their minds regarding psychedelics as "the truth", forgetting that (imho) psychedelics are an aid for a better live, not the purpose of life.

I also don't think they are the purpose of life. There may be no other purpose in life other than to experience life, to just witness it all. The ultimate purpose of life may indeed remain a mystery to us. We can only live in the here and now, experience it, learn from it, figure out more and more about our local reality, relationships, our place in the cosmos, and the cosmos within us. The psychedelics are simply a part of it all, just like the psychedelic plants themselves only make up a small section of a much larger ecosystem.

I do think that the psychedelics, and specifically cannabis (for many different reasons), are essential to our survival on this planet. Ending the war on drugs is crucial. There's no way the war on drugs will end until the major religions in the world either recognize their psychedelic roots or stop existing. This is why I have decided to speak out very strongly on this matter. I have not figured it all out myself. Different scholars and scientists (some of them psychonauts) have done so. I have studied their theories and arguments, and (having been a religious follower, an atheist, a monist and a psychonaut in different phases of my life, have arrived at the same conclusions. Still learning more every single day though. It's exciting!

 

[Meduzz]

There may be no other purpose in life other than to experience life, to just witness it all. The ultimate purpose of life may indeed remain a mystery to us. We can only live in the here and now, experience it, learn from it, figure out more and more about our local reality, relationships, our place in the cosmos, and the cosmos within us. The psychedelics are simply a part of it all, just like the psychedelic plants themselves only make up a small section of a much larger ecosystem.

totally agree, but i'm pretty sure there is no purpose in life, but that doesn't make life boring at all

if life would have a purpose we are aware of, life would be soooo boring

 

[BrainEater]

I don't agree that life would be boring, if you figured out the purpose of life.

Though there remains the question if you mean your personal life as you, or life in general. Because that's totally different. One of it you can make up yourself the other one kind of is way underneath yourself and everybody.

I'd find it really fascinating to be aware of what the purpose of life could be.
Is it the evolution of species and therefore the continous changing (and getting better or more capable?) of everything? ...And at the other side decay, death and a leaving behind of the weak? (Humans and evolution is a really funny and maybe tragic connection...not many other races seem to have to potential in them for the amazing self-destructo-bust)

I think it has to do with, but it's not it!

For now i agree with CaduceusMercurius! It's a great way to be able to witness life and experience it fully.

"We can only live in the here and now, experience it, learn from it, figure out more and more about our local reality, relationships, our place in the cosmos, and the cosmos within us"

:arrow: Really well pointed out!

greetings 8)

 

[Meduzz]

i meant the purpose in life in general, if that would be known, the entire system would change and everybody's life would be exact the same.
and because of human nature, we will ask ourselves if this is indeed the purpose of life.
i think the fact that we have the ability to be sceptical about a system disables our ability to find a purpose of life.

 

[BrainEater]

hmmm....That sounds very delusive to me... to think that everybody's life would be the same after really having figured out the purpose of life in general. I mean, would then everybody stop to be the person he was before? Wouldn't there be ways that needn't to be so new that it would be everybody's life the same, that go between new and old and therefore bringing great variety? Anyway, to say it like you did, maybe is just too generalized to draw concrete conclusions like you did...that everybody's life would be the same. Maybe the lives would just have more in common, because of the same thought basis: having figured out the purpose of life in general.

I agree though in second statement! It can be easily observed i think in many people who think they got it, but strive along more and change their ways, because of many reasons. Maybe finding out something new, or because of a feeling...maybe just because of human nature yes....

I really don't think the fact that we have the ability to be sceptical about a system disables our ability to find a purpose in life. It even brings more abilities to find a purpose of life, but THEN..... I'd rather say, finding a purpose of life might be either really stupid or really difficult, considering it being something so complex and a so elemental part of ourselves. Understanding the purpose of life in general maybe must imply to understand oneself completely, which is a great and by far not easy task to accomplish in my opinion.

The reason of many people to wanting finding out the purpose of life i find very delusive, too. I don't know if it is like this, but my impression is that many want to find it out to have something to cling to. Though they may know that or not, may differ, but if one wants to find the truth they seek in life or something to cling to it, it really doesn't help, because of the impernanence of everything and therefore, life too and the truth that lies in it.

PS: Sorry that i don't really relate a lot maybe to your posts and write loads of shit, but sometimes i have to do that so please respect
I find too that christianity should be made illegal! 8)

 

[ararat]

BUT what you mean, is what the christians make of it.

No, that's not what I mean. I mean the Bible is a misleading book. As misleading as the Bhagavad-gita, Purana's, Quran, Torah and similar scriptures. Tainted. Truth mixed with lies, knowledge mixed with ignorance. But people can't distinguish, while the books themselves assert their own absolute authority.

oh I forgot to say that this person meant the old testament. he never lost a word about the new one.

 

[Pazusu]

I think illigalizing Christianity, if any politician would come to this crazy idea, would bring a lot of "sleeping" Christians into action. The media would jump on it: "FREEDOM OF RELIGION AT STAKE".

And harm done to the freedom of religion, won't do any good for religions using "illegal" entheogens (unknown to the common people).

Democracy is a dangerous system, because a large amount of people with low intelligence rule the system. Another Hitler could be voted for in any democratic land.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah....

man religions themselves have become vicious circles!!!!!!!! how fucked up is that!!!!!!!

Religion is part of the infection of today's world of corrupted minds!!!!!

Seriously!!!!!

 

[Psychoid]

I am a christian and so is about everyone where I live but now very few people (almost only old people like 50+ years old) practice their religion because of all the bad things it has done in our area. I myself didn't go to church for something like 3 years now. And don't miss it. Not at all.

I have always wondered and still wonder how can someone believe in religions such as christianity? It's so fulll of nonsense, making someone believe in this and give his life for it is like activating a kind of psychosis in his mind oO

 

[BrainEater]

This is so easy to answer!!!

They need something to cling to. Else they needed to confront their fears!!!!
And they needed to face the truth and themselves, which can be hard!!!!
But they don't do it, because it's easier not to do it!! Better stay inside your little world and preach for forgiveness, than really connect to god....??? :?

Imagine!!! It is said to you that you are not responsible for your actions!!! Or at least indirectly, because the trust in God is said to be above all......Now imagine what this causes in an immature or not illuminated minds.....
Wrong interpretation of perception, because of stupid generalized religion shit indoctrinated!!!!!


The only thing i liked about this religion is that they use auto-suggestion to connect themselves to other people, which sometimes seems mechanic, but sometimes is real!!!! And some people learn by it, that it can be good to help other people or be nice to them.

Seen by law or papers i'm a part of the christian church, too 8)
But when i'll work again i'll leave, because the church taxes pisses me off!!!!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I have always wondered and still wonder how can someone believe in religions such as christianity?

The self cannot die, hence it doesn't like the experience of death.
Religion is a set of concepts derived from the psychedelic state (which thus appeals to the self) mixed with relative truths, cultural beliefs and falsehoods.
Because it appeals to the self, people are attracted to religion, and tend to take the falsehoods and cultural beliefs for granted.
The highest goal is always to become free from death, by being saved, liberated, entering Heaven etc.
In most cases, however, people mainly care about being a normal member of their community, and if that community happens to be following a certain religion, that is what they will do. In some cases that's the only way to obtain a good social position, i.e. get a good job.
The reason why psychedelics are a threat to religion is that tripping is a way to directly experience the essence of all religion, thus making organized religion obsolete.

 

[GOD]

We are the proof that banning things does not work , education is the best solution . Public debates work wonders .

 

[buffachino]

Information will set us free.
Once we again start to build our minds and wisdom as a whole, the world will slowly heal. Misinformation, ignorance and control exerted by power are slowly killing the planet and the creatures that call it home; including us. It’s de-evolution at its most grand and destructive

Peace.

 

[tryptonaut]

Christian Rätsch said in a speech (I saw it on youtube but I can't remember what it was called) that every society he encountered that had a strong history of mushrooms or other potent entheogens didn't have a dogmatic religion. Their only belief was always that the spirits would guide them. I have come to this point as well - I have always been looking for a belief that would make sense to me, but through mushrooms I found that no dogmatic belief will ever make sense to me. Every trip is able to crush your old dogma, to crush your ego into nothing, until you accept it and be happy for what you have: a good life, health, and lots of opportunities. Oh and I think I am a better person than most "good" christians because the mushrooms have more than once showed me what was really bad in my behaviour and what I needed to change so I could look into the mirror every morning and say "I'm proud of myself, I have nothing to hide, I am a good person!"

 

[trick]

lol i love the picture of the terminator jesus on the last link..

 

[????????]

I think part of the problem is that the guys that know how deep in bullshit the western religion cult is aren't the type of guys that would go public about it, that wouldn't vent their ideas to the citizens in a public manner, in part because of the certain backlash it would cause because of the way the ones in power have made a system where the ones who denounce the lies and "dirty stuff" of their doctrines get beaten down, and because it's not worth it; they know if they get their "hands dirty" with all this stuff there will be consequences, again, the way the systems is built makes for repercussions of those who speak against it, the either get them to shut up or in the worst case they get shot---

phew, for a minute there I lost myself!! Not really but you know what I'm saying, I believe the pope and/or the ones in power know pretty well what they are doing with us and this is why I can't come up to terms with the religion, it's gotten so twisted and rotten that it makes me sick. If someone auto-labels himself a christian I'm giving him some questions to know why he is doing it, Jahvisions pointed out that often what comes out of Jesus in the bible is good teaching, and I agree, but the "christian" term is so tainted that using it to describe yourself but then adding that you're not down with the teaching of the leaders and organized movement is silly in my opinion, why not drop then the christian label entirely??

And when I refer to christianity I'm not thinking of my religious aunt who has read the bible 6 times, I'm not thinking of the persons who go to church every sunday and still are nice people; I'm thinking of control of the masses and lies and deception, as I'm sure a lot of people do, so if there's talk about it I'm bringing some arguments but is obvious I have no beef with the nice people, because I honestly believe that they are smart and could form their opinion if presented with the facts and evidence, I guess they could be thought of as mislead.... (hope that doesn't read as arrogant)

That's why information is so important, get as much information as possible and form your opinion, what would happen if people would be showed a brochure of facts and unbiased information about christianity when coming of age, say 18? so you choose if you're going to participate in int instead of being "born to it", as the norm currently is? that's what I like about the internet, you get to read or see the information from first sources so it's not manipulated like in mass media, newspapers, tv, etc...

I read the topic and this is what I felt like, Ok, this post is long enough so I'll just go now... :wink:

 

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