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hajimumtaz

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I have for many, many years been searching for DMT. I came across it only one time, at a ketamine dealers house. He had it tucked in a vial locked safely away in suitcase, and was immensely proud of his priceless treasure. At the time, he told me it was no longer available or being produced, and that his sample was created in the early 70s [he mentioned also that one could extract a similar substance from a certain toad, but that roughly 50% of those who try it die ;-)].

As an impressionable teenager, I believed him, and limited my research to asking dealers and hippies whom I met for any news on the availability of DMT.

Then I stopped doing illegal drugs for six years, but since then had mushrooms once, and salvia many times. With my renewed interest in psychedelics, I have found an explosion of growth within the psychedelic community online, relative to 8 years ago when I was a regular drug user.

But along with all of this available information has come a strong renewed interest in DMT, and I have a few questions regarding its availability and use:

1) I take methadone 2x daily, in 20mg doses. I can take a dose a noon and still manage to go to sleep around 2am, so I am able to limit the use to some degree. I take methadone to manage pain because I found it very difficult to control my intake of oxycodone -- I always felt a craving to take more. I feel very little cravings with methadone, and they are easy to control. It has probably saved my life. In any case, it is well known that methadone's effects are increased by MAOIs, particularly the respiratory depressant effects and less so the analgesic effects. So there is a danger that the MAOIs inside Ayahuasca could interact dangerously with my methadone. 1a) Does anyone have experience -- anecdotal, personal or evidential -- with combining methadone and Ayahuasca? 1b) Is there some lower, safe dose of the MAOIs that still permit the DMT to be active orally?

2) 2a) Do you suggest Ayahuasca as a first-time DMT experience (I have somewhat narrow, but deep experience with psychedelics). 2b) If not, what form and delivery method of DMT do you suggest?

3) Regarding availability, 3a) What is the safest, easiest and most cost-effective technique and supplier for acquiring and preparing Ayahuasca? 3b) What is the safest, easiest and most cost-effective technique and supplier for acquiring and preparing extracted DMT?

I realize there are a lot of questions above, please please feel free to answer just a few or even one of them. I am looking for all of the help I can get :-)

Best! haji
 
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I haven't tried ayahuasca yet, but I don't really need to because I have N,N-DMT. I don't think anyone with some psychedelic experience should be too concerned about taking DMT, allthough your situation with the MAO-I might be problematic.
I can't really answer this question but all I can say is that smoking DMT was no problem for me. =)

3)
a)
Don't know wich website has the best ayahuasca... allthough azarius also has ayahuasca.
b)
Maya-ethnobotanicals to aquire the Mimosa Hostillis Root Bark for the DMT extraction (they have good qualitiy MHRB for a reasonable price).
Here's the tek on how to do the extraction: http://psilocyber.awardspace.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=2 (thnx 2 HC ;))

I hope that aswers a couple of your questions.
 
Thanks for the information!

I don't think there are any interactions with DMT and methadone; it's only the MAOIs in the ayahuasca.
 
"he mentioned also that one could extract a similar substance from a certain toad, but that roughly 50% of those who try it die"

Did he mean the people or the toads ? If its done properly neither die . I think you are talking about "The colorado river toad" - "Bufo Alvarius" wich has two glands wich contain 5 Meo-DMT . It is possible to milk them by carefully massageing the glands . The secretion is suposed to be dangerous to eat but can be smoked .

"I take methadone to manage pain because I found it very difficult to control my intake of oxycodone"

= you take it because you got adicted to oxycodone

"it is well known that methadone's effects are increased by MAOI"

I didnt know that , it would be cool if you could tell me where i can read more about it please .

"Is there some lower, safe dose of the MAOIs that still permit the DMT to be active orally?"

No . The dose is what the dose is . If you look here:-

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... =ayahuasca
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... 42&id=maoi
http://www.azarius.net/

you will learn a bit more .

" Do you suggest Ayahuasca as a first-time DMT experience"

Yes , smoking it comes on much harder , faster and gives a diferent effect .

"What is the safest, easiest and most cost-effective technique and supplier for acquiring and preparing Ayahuasca?"

It depends where you live , if the ingredients are available where you live , either from shops , the internet or from nature and / or if its legal to ship the ingredients to your country .

"What is the safest, easiest and most cost-effective technique and supplier for acquiring and preparing extracted DMT? "

Look here ;- www.dmt-nexus.com

A general rule is DONT MIX DRUGS ESPECIALY NOT WITH MAOIs . So please dont do it . Get rid of your adiction first , then wait a few months untill your body is clean and you have totaly recovered and then try it .
 
Thanks for your reply.

"Did he mean the people or the toads ?"
He meant the people. Just passing on an urban legend, I presume.

"= you take it because you got adicted to oxycodone"
That's right. I was prescribed rather large quantities of roxycodone (30mg) after a severe, mostly permanent back injury. I found it extremely difficult to think about anything other than my next pill, and for a while started buying extra pills on the street. Fortunately, I was honest with my doctor, and he suggested trying a longer-acting substance that would manage the pain as well but to which I might not be addicted. It worked; I am certainly physically dependent on it, but have voluntarily reduced my dose by over 50% over the last 9 months. I guess it's all semantics; some people are willing to differentiate between addiction and physical dependence, other people are not.

"I didnt know that , it would be cool if you could tell me where i can read more about it please ."
Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI's) may prolong and enhance the respiratory depressant effects of methadone. Opioids and MAOI's used together may cause fatal hypotension and coma. http://tinyurl.com/2zxug3

I've read elsewhere that the side-effects of methadone (like respiratory depression) are more powerfully (or even exclusively) enhanced by MAOIs than the analgesic effects. So one might experience heightened pain and take another dose while still under the respiratory effect of one's previous dose.

"No . The dose is what the dose is . If you look here:-

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... =ayahuasca
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... 42&id=maoi
http://www.azarius.net/

you will learn a bit more ."

Thanks, I will.[/quote]

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Good to see you are honest about it . I think adiction / dependancy is adiction weather its physical or mental . I hope you manage to get rid of yours . My doctors prescribed me MUCH to much valium and fortral and i got adicted , it took me a long time and was very dificult to get myself of them both . I spent a lot of time lying in a pool of swet , not sleeping , shivering and puking my guts up everytime i moved . It was much harder to stop than my alcohol or barbiturate or heroin / opiate adictions .

Thanks for the link to the MAOI and methadone info where it says :-

"Methadone is contraindicated in individuals receiving monoamine oxidase inhibitors or within 14 days of stopping such treatment"

and

"Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOI's) may prolong and enhance the respiratory depressant effects of methadone. Opioids and MAOI's used together may cause fatal hypotension and coma."

Wich means you should definately not combine methadone with Ayahuasca .
 
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