Ayahuasca Brew vs Psilocybin Mushrooms

[UniversalConsciousness]

Terrance Mckenna's right and left hand natural psychedelics. Both inhabit the DMT universe.....psilocybin mushrooms being psilocybin (O-phosphoryl-4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) and psilocin (4-HO-DMT). Ayahuasca seems like it maybe a bit closer to the DMT universe since it's MAOI+DMT. Still, smoked DMT effects seem to be somewhat different than smoked pure DMT.

Which do you think is a more mystical and enlightening entheogen......this is particularly for those who done both psilocybin and ayahuasca. How would you contrast the difference....between mushrooms and ayahuasca as well as both natural entheogens compared to synthetic dmt? How do you experience the DMT universe within magic mushrooms......usually high doses of shrooms have a DMT character to them.

You can trip everyday from ayahuasca.....many shamans trip about 3 times a week in the amazon region. Shrooms of course are more of a once a week to a month thing, though that doesn't mean they are necessarily more intense than ayahuasca, it's just that tolerance is different. Perhaps the MAOI adds some psychoactive effect to the DMT as well that wouldn't be there if it was pure DMT. Of course shroomuasca can be taken as well which combines ayahuasca and psilocybin. Ayahuasca has that body load too, although the purging is a healthy part of the experience as well.

What do you think? Vote in the poll and discuss.

 

[HeartCore]

I prefer psilocybin mushrooms because I have way more experience with them. I don't believe there are things ayahuasca can deliver that psilocybe cannot and vice versa. Personally I think it's a matter of experience (what came first and how did you like it) and preference and how easy is it to obtain. I grow mushrooms myself so that question is easily answered.

I'm reasonably lazy so cutting up some shrooms and steeping them for 10 minutes in hot water beats cooking the aya kettle for an entire 12 hours and more.

Also I am no fan of body discomfort and I tend to disagree with the vomiting aspect of aya as in that I don't feel they are needed to clean up, at least, not in the overwhelming way often happens when people take aya.

With mushrooms, I have taken up to massive doses without any body discomfort whatsoever.

 

[tryptonaut]

I don't want to vote on what is "better" - I have far more experience with mushrooms and almost none with ayahuasca (only tried a real aya brew once and it wasn't strong enough, then had another try with anahuasca which was a little stronger)

Shrooms are so much more practical for me - no special diet in advance, no vomiting, no hour-long cooking. Especially the strict diet in advance of the ayahuasca always makes it impossible for me, combined with the hours-long cooking process I'd have to take off three days or so to just do one trip - and that would mean three days off with doing nothing else than preparing and taking ayahuasca. Not that I don't want to... I have ingredients around in case I find the time and courage, it's just easier to convince myself for a shroom trip with much less preparation.

 

[Brugmansia]

I wouldn't know, never did Ayahuasca.

Though I have something with training a stable disgestion. Ever since I swallowed huge amounts of dried San Pedro I began to detect how the stomach is under direct influence of the axis in the head. A serene demeanour prevents pain coming along with cramps or discomfort in general.

As the Chinese have been saying, every physical disease starts in the bowels.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I don't believe there's a DMT universe. There's an 'internal' universe, which consists of our philosophical concepts, our fears, our fond memories, our traumas, our self image, our facade, our denials, our justifications, rationalizations etc. and psychedelics allow us (and the therapist/ shaman/ sitter), to roam through these regions and directly interact with these dynamics.

So regarding the question which entheogen is most 'enlightening', all that's important is whether it is capable of bringing into view these internal dynamics, because those internal dynamics are running our show (everyday life). To become enlightened we must figure out what went wrong (generally in our early childhood, but before and after that as well), what areas of our lives have been impacted, and what we can do to improve the situation, for the benefit of ourselves, our dear ones and everyone else on this planet.

I find other aspects of the psychedelic experience, like the visual phenomena mostly associated with DMT and psilocybin, of less importance, at least from the point of view of self actualization.

Also the fact that ayahuasca can be done more often than shrooms or LSD seems irrelevant, unless discussing the psychedelics from a religious, cultural or tribal point of view. The visions have their relevance from these points of view as well. For personal development one really needs only an occasional overwhelming experience, with or without visions.

So the question then becomes: what entheogens are most gentle to the user (physically) after ingesting a very large amount, and in fact can be ingested by everyone? I think the answer is mushroom tea and LSD. Also, as already pointed out my Heartcore, mushrooms grow everywhere and we grow our own, whereas ayahuasca has to be shipped here, processed etc.

 

[sasha_prah]

It's impossible to choose.
Mushrooms are softer on the body, more of a thought rush, more informative, more alien.

Ayahuasca is more pure and makes me deeply awake, while mushrooms make me kinda sleepy. If not for the price and side effects I would've chosen ayahuasca. In fact I want to go to Amazon and study it for a couple of years from the shaman - after graduating, paying off loan and building up a portfolio, that would be like 15 years from now, but time.. time is an illusion, so I don't really have a problem with a little waiting.

I believe ayahuasca has more potential because of it's clarity and purity. But it is really hard to prepare right. And even more complicated to use it right. Mushrooms are easier - munch munch and it's done, no hangover, plus it's free.

Also Mushrooms have more of a recreational potential. I think if I could grow enough, I'd be eating them like every other day. And i really don't mind that.

Had 50 gram last night and still hungry.

 

[YageInColombia]

Of course there is no correct universal answer. I have done mushrooms enough to know that I am connected to the earth and everything. My experience with Ayahuasca completely changed my life. Ayahuasca showed me what life feels like without an ego, for me Ayahuasca showed me things that mushrooms have yet to show me. Both are have divine qualities.

 

[831scloc]

I've never done ayahuasca or LSD for that matter, and i dont want to do LSD, just another man-made bullshit chemical. But, I have consumed enough silly-cybin myshrooms to say my brain has been raped with with depressing thoughts like life, death, future, past, and bullshit. And allowed me to think about how humans just fuck EVERYTHING up in one way or another. So I pretty much just want to do ayahuasca, just to try it. Do a "stick with the naturals" kind of thing. And pretty much the only reason im here is cause im tryna figure my shit out. QUIT THINKING ABOUT BULLSHIT, and try and see if ayahuasca can really bring me enlightenment. But... I'm also trying to go completely "crazy" so... Idk. Somebody fix my head. help me please.

 

[zezt]

I am not sure I understand you

 

[ararat]

I'm afraid we can't really fix your head, the good news is that you can. it sounds like some new-age adage, but allow the bullshit. be with it, realize that the bullshit is not who you are. your mad pursuit of whatever it is you desire brought you into this quagmire.

in your place, I wouldn't try to do more psychedelics, but rather find help somewhere, from a real person.

 

[adetheproducer]

Well I have not yet tried ayahuasca but it is on the cards. One think I have noticed through reading this is that it seem people are taking what I would consider to be far too low a dosage of psilocybin one comment stating 50 grams and an earlier one stating no long cooking times. Now if we are looking to compair mushrooms with a chemical produced by the brain you are going to have to go a little extreme with the dosage of mushrooms. When I do it I pick about 10 the 15 ounzes of Psilocybe semilanceata thats about half of a carrier bag full. This is then brewed for a while. We add only 3-4 glasses of water the the brew, put the mushrooms in the end of a pair of stockings tie a knot in it and cut of the loose end so it looks like a large sausage shaped tea bag . This is then boiled for about and hour crushing the bag with a potatoe masher through out, once the liquid has turned completelly black then turn down the heat and simmer still crushing and mashing until there is about 2 glasses(one glass for each person) of "liquid" remaining. I say "liquid" because at this point it has turned to an almost frog sporn texture, kinda like the muddiest boogy ever. Squeez out the bag so you get all the juices. It does not taste good but hey you aint doing it for its cullinary merits. Try not to spew as you drink it, downing it is out of the question its too thick and the last drop is just jelly. Within about 20 minutes you get traces and hypersensivity, then anywhere from 30 minutes in things go a little crazy. You may well purge, some of my friends do this throughout the night. The peak will arive anywhere from 2 the 3 hours in.This deffinatelly seems to render the user incapable of anything other than laying there listening to the music carefully selected earlier so it will play continuously without the need to move and change albums. The physical rushes are far better than any amount of ecstacy I have taken, the visuals are so complex and beautyful no LSD compairs. Full audio trppage aswel with quiet noises sounding like the devil fronting a death metal band or everything phasing and echoing, Not for the faint hearted. There is full loss of ego and last time it took about 5 hours before I could speak semicoheirently and socialise but still very far out there and it lasted about 10 to 15 before I was able to sleep. I deffinatelly have spiritual experience with this and dont just feel like I am with god when I do it, this make you feel you are god and the universe is yours to palywith. But Take heed, my fellow navigator did this all to him self and kinda lost control. Within about 5 mins of drinking one glass the room was alive the ceiling and walls breathing objects melting/blending into background. He said that was too far and quite scary and it took over a day to come down.

So mushroom good, ayahuasca will happen at some point once I have found appropriate supplies but next is Amanita muscaria it supposed to be quite iteresting and equally hardcore as these mentioned above.

 

[adetheproducer]

I've never done ayahuasca or LSD for that matter, and i dont want to do LSD, just another man-made bullshit chemical. But, I have consumed enough silly-cybin myshrooms to say my brain has been raped with with depressing thoughts like life, death, future, past, and bullshit. And allowed me to think about how humans just fuck EVERYTHING up in one way or another. So I pretty much just want to do ayahuasca, just to try it. Do a "stick with the naturals" kind of thing. And pretty much the only reason im here is cause im tryna figure my shit out. QUIT THINKING ABOUT BULLSHIT, and try and see if ayahuasca can really bring me enlightenment. But... I'm also trying to go completely "crazy" so... Idk. Somebody fix my head. help me please.

Sound like life is providing you all the head trip you need at the moment, lay off mushrooms for a while dont get hung up on how retarded the human race is in general just put some tool on ya stereo and relax there are other people out there who see what you do and we are spreading.