A Salvia divinorum horror story

[Psychoid]

I think it's the antipsychotics they gave her to couteract her psychosis that was induced by salvia...

 

[JustinNed]

Haha, just kidding. I wouldn't of thought that side effects would of come so shortly. Forget I said anything.

 

[ophiuchus]

somebody should dose HIM, with something like a sheet of acid, kidnap him, and then drop him off in a slaughterhouse for the rest of his trip.
fuck people like that i would stab him if that girl were my friend[/i]

yuck
responses like this aren't helpful and don't help psychonauts' images

The response is not helpfull to most but a true show of distate for scum like the idiot in the article. Plus the article itself gives "drug" users, "Psychonauts" alike a bad image.

I was inclined to say something horrific like adrian too

i don't enjoy nor nor do i regularly say things like that, but at the same time i dont like editing my thoughts on this forum, this was my natural response, im sorry if it offends anyone. :?

i only feel this way about this individual because i have seen the after effects of people i know dosed unknowingly with things like ghb, and it's sickening. it can permanently ruin someones mind, and often puts them into a deep state of depression or dissociation from life, from that point onward...

 

[ophiuchus]

probably was a bit too inappropriate for a forum though

 

[Sticki]

Didnt offend me in the slightest, I naturally agree with you

Why should we not express how we truely feel?

Even if it may seem a little extreme to some people, They should see it as a good thing that some of us still have the get up and go to deal with problamatic people.

If we cant express ourselves freely here, Where can we???

Freedom of speech is a dying thing...

 

[magickpencil]

i'm not offended - you've the right to post any thing you'd like as far as i'm concerned
i was just shocked to see that you'd subscribe to "an eye for an eye," which is a philosophy i strongly disagree with
if some one acts negatively then they need a positive response, or else they'll become embittered that they're being punished
negativity just propagates negativity

 

[ophiuchus]

i suppose you're right up to a certain extent, but at the same time there are people on the other end of the spectrum (mentally) who NEED a swift kick in the ass for them to truely see, to realize what they are really doing. idk, theres no need to argue it, not that we are, but i see your point.. but i would probably still kick his ass because thats just my nature :wink:

 

[magickpencil]

but i would probably still kick his ass because thats just my nature :wink:

 

[Adder]

I agree. Sounds like more than Salvia to me. Salvia metabolizes so quickly that there's no way it could last that long. She either had a mental disorder to begin with that the unintended dose of Salvia exacerbated or there was something else in that joint.

The whole article looks more like a cautionary tail than legit news. Remember one of the things they need to prohibit a substance is proof that it is dangerous. What better way to prove that than a story of someone having long term physical as well as psychological damage from the substance. The whole thing sounds too pat for my taste. Also where would necrosis come into play with Salvia. Necrotic damage to the intestines has no connection I can see to something smoked. Also the Salvia in the story was smoked in a joint, one of the least effective ways to take it. Unless it was 1 zillion X Salvia I just don't see it acting like that.

Most Salvia trips I've experienced have only lasted a couple minutes and it's not like the medical field has never lied to make a substance look more dangerous than it really is especially in a state that is trying to find enough evidence to ban said substance. Also why would the boyfriend not mention he put something else in the joint? Well, for one Salvia is legal while other substances he might have slipped his GF aren't.

 

[druglessdouglas]

definately something other than salvia. the necrosis sounds like heavy metal poisoning. mercury or cadmium would be my guess. the boyfriend isnt telling the whole story

oranges with nails in them

 

[Brugmansia]

What about a tropane plant then?

 

[druglessdouglas]

What about a tropane plant then?

long lasting but not usually necrotising. most "drugs" arent poisons in the true sense, as in toxic to the cells. they usually just interfere with how nerves communicate. some poisonous mushrooms are cytotoxic, but they tend to be strongly toxic to the liver also.

its possible she lacked an enzyme necessary to metabolise a protiein in salvia and it killed some tissue, but usually that results in anaphalaxis. peanut alergy style

i guess they would have done tests but the symptoms do sound like heavy metal poisoning to me. not that im an expert. i find it very difficult to see a mechanisim for salvia causing the physical symptoms

it leaves unanswered the question -why didnt the BF suffer poisoning also?
maybe its all a lie. more drugs war propaganda

 

[????????]

the article is fishy indeed. maybe based on true happenings and exacerbated to shock people.

about dosing people, i think it's about the nastiest thing you could do to someone. imagine if you'd never taken a psychedelic and someone slips 300 mics in your coffee. man, all that energy and not knowing what or why is happening... a ticket to insanity. just thinking about it gives me shivers.

 

[Ketter]

Salvia is not safe according to the Mazatec and the way we do it (smoking), is the Mazatec equivalent of building up bad karma. O and they don't prefer Salvia at all, they prefer mushrooms but sometimes out of the season, they use Salvia as a replacement. Some Mazatec that take Salvia, never get back from the trip. 'Some of them just wander of'.

 

[Brugmansia]

Interesting, got some more info on is Ketter? Bad Karma, as a debt?

I find Salvia spooky and fishy. Sometimes like an unrevealed canyon and domain with webs of terrorised fright. But exceptionally prodigious too.

 

[Crimzen]

the poor girl probably thought she was going completely insane and went into some kind of shock
perhaps her mind believed it was going insane and used some kind of counter-measure to bring her back to sanity but in fact she was only high and the counter-measure her brain triggered caused her to actually lose her mind for some time, perhaps forever without the help from the docs

seems like a possibility, seeing as we know so little about brain function

 

[ssmithford]

I'm wondering if he admitted to dosing her with Salvia because it was the only thing that came to mind and it 'sounded safe'. The necrosis and other ailments sound like he put rat poison in her joint. It's one of the few things that can be added to tobacoo products and not tasted or smelled and continues to work at the same level for many months after it's ingested. Rat poison doesn't clean out of the body like we think it would. As for the reason why it's possible it's something he heard would give an ultimate and long term high but could be dangerous and he wanted the trip, but not the danger.