Worried about friends reaction to salvia. Can anybody help

[standard_dude]

My friend smoke a bowl of 60x salvia about an hour and a half ago and hes still in a mumbling stupor. Im sure this isnt normal. At what point should I consider medical attenton?

This was his first time and as Im sure you will all tell me it was unwise to have started with such a strong extract. but i guess thats water under the bridge now really.

Another thing is another few of my friends took a video of his screaming freakout and are in the process of putting it online. I dont think that will give a very good impression of this plant but they wont be pesuaded.

Can anybody advise me on this ? im rather worreied

 

[alphasnail]

see what happens when you play with fire, you get burnt. He should be find, my friend tripped for roughly 1hr on 60x, ur friend should be fine, and should have his video on youtube for all of us to enjoy.

 

[Forkbender]

A video like that will probably result in more bans of Salvia.

As to your friend: have you tried throwing a bucket of cold water in his face?

 

[restin]

wait a little longer.

No videos on the internet please.

 

[Jagged_Toaster]

I DISAGREE Forkbender and restin.

I think vids like that are real intersting, let me assk you this . wud you have ever tried salvia without seeing them on the net first.

My pals and me are making a set of videos for youtube wher we will smoke crazily strong salvia extracts in public places and then obviosly freaking out loudly!!!

. Weve already done a bus and a church and are planning a library soon.

Ill put the vids on for your enjoyment soon alphasnail

peace

 

[Forkbender]

wud you have ever tried salvia without seeing them on the net first.

Yes. I did them before those vids started showing up.

My pals and me are making a set of videos for youtube wher we will smoke crazily strong salvia extracts in public places and then obviosly freaking out loudly!!!

. Weve already done a bus and a church and are planning a library soon.

I'd say stop abusing drugs and stop giving people on a powertrip even more motivation to ban these sacred plants.

 

[Synith]

Your friends and you are stupid.

Salvia is to be treated with RESPECT. Now, as for your friends reaction, it sounds like you started him off with a very high extract, so he did not know what the bodily effects felt like. It's better to start off at 5x and MOVE your way up. As for why his reaction lasted a long time, he likely smoked 8+ bowls and had a rollover trip. Meaning, he'll trip longer than 5 mins. I've had times like that where I trip for about 30 mins, then come down from its effects the next 30. Medical attention isn't needed, really. Unless he smoked pure Chrystal form of Salvinorin A. If his effects last longer than 50 mins, have him drink some water. Salvia tends to make you sweat and can dehydrate you. It's safe as long as you know what you're getting into. You can also have a towel handy and have them wipe their face when needed, or you could do it.

As for his freaking out: likely it was done in a bad atmosphere and with stupid people. Any lights, noises, movement, or air/wind on the trippers body can take a beautiful introspective trip-- into something like what your friends went though.

I'd advise you and your friends to do better research before trying ANY drug. Whether it be LSD, or Coffee. You seriously don't want to play around with Salvia if you don't use it for healing. It's not a 'party drug' it's not pot. Treat it with respect.

And please do not allow your friends to post that video to Youtube. Have them delete it. People have such a negative view when it comes to entheogens as it is. Don't mess it up for the people who actually use them for spiritual guidance and healing.

 

[st.bot.32]

hey toaster, these kinds of videos are the first thing the media goes for when it tries to hype the dangers of salvia, people (usually kids) tripping out of their minds, falling down in places not safe to trip in. if you want salvia to stay legal, if you actually enjoy it and get something out of it, do it in a safe place out of public and for the love of mercy don't post it on the net.

also what if it is criminalized someday, do you want a video of yourself doing an illegal activity on the net? This could come back to haunt you years later.. For example teachers can lose their jobs just because their employers found a photo of them drinking beer on the web, never mind smoking drugs.

 

[Affirmatory]

Don't become intoxicated in public. This why people want drugs illegal, 'if it was legal, kids would be doing it on the street'. Anyway, you will probably get arrested for public intoxication and causing a scene eventually.

 

[restin]

I have nothing to add, really.

 

[standard_dude]

Your friends and you are stupid.

Salvia is to be treated with RESPECT. Now, as for your friends reaction, it sounds like you started him off with a very high extract, so he did not know what the bodily effects felt like. It's better to start off at 5x and MOVE your way up. As for why his reaction lasted a long time, he likely smoked 8+ bowls and had a rollover trip. Meaning, he'll trip longer than 5 mins. I've had times like that where I trip for about 30 mins, then come down from its effects the next 30. Medical attention isn't needed, really. Unless he smoked pure Chrystal form of Salvinorin A. If his effects last longer than 50 mins, have him drink some water. Salvia tends to make you sweat and can dehydrate you. It's safe as long as you know what you're getting into. You can also have a towel handy and have them wipe their face when needed, or you could do it.

As for his freaking out: likely it was done in a bad atmosphere and with stupid people. Any lights, noises, movement, or air/wind on the trippers body can take a beautiful introspective trip-- into something like what your friends went though.

I'd advise you and your friends to do better research before trying ANY drug. Whether it be LSD, or Coffee. You seriously don't want to play around with Salvia if you don't use it for healing. It's not a 'party drug' it's not pot. Treat it with respect.

And please do not allow your friends to post that video to Youtube. Have them delete it. People have such a negative view when it comes to entheogens as it is. Don't mess it up for the people who actually use them for spiritual guidance and healing.

Please do not call me stupid. I admit it was foolish for my friend to smoke 60x without trying a weaker exract but he could not be persuaded otherwise. and yes I dont aprove of the video going online and I wont be so silly as to post it here it does end up on youtube. Also JAGGED_TOASTER I dont think ive heard of a stupider idea!

SO next time dont make such assumptions about people Synith!! its rather rude and arrogant!

 

[restin]

how's your friend? Is he OK?

 

[Synith]

Please do not call me stupid. I admit it was foolish for my friend to smoke 60x without trying a weaker exract but he could not be persuaded otherwise. and yes I dont aprove of the video going online and I wont be so silly as to post it here it does end up on youtube. Also JAGGED_TOASTER I dont think ive heard of a stupider idea!

SO next time dont make such assumptions about people Synith!! its rather rude and arrogant!

Sorry for any misconception. I meant stupid as in foolish., which it was.
I say, if the guy wants to try an high extract to begin with, I will not be the one to support him. I'm fine for people wanting to try Salvia for meditation at a weak extract to begin with; but to start em off at 60x... no no. I'll walk away from that one.

Good. I don't want to see that video. I'll watch scientific studies of its effects, or videos where the person is not so immature that he/she acts really dumb. Sure, Salvia makes you laugh-- but to watch a bunch of teenagers do it is just sad.

 

[TheBarn]

for any one else reading this...

research is the key!

Hope your friend is OK, I'm sure he will be.

 

[Sticki]

Is your friend ok?

Did you get the video uploaded, I'd like to to see this for observation reasons merely. Sounds like your friend enterd into an acute psychosis, If this is the case you should be trying to talk to him in a calm manner and reminding him all is ok and everything he percieve's is just a trip and it will pass shortly.

Telling a person before they trip a certain substance, I usually use Vitamin C becuase I always heard it was good for bringing people down. However in the USA I hear they say you should drop substances with Vit C for a better hit . So any how by telling this person who has never tripped before that Vitamin C will reduce the effects if they begin to freak out, give them some orange segments, Ribena, Orange Juice or anything else containing Vitamin C if they start going wierd.

One of my funniest memorys is of a 15 year old lad who had taken some magic mushrooms and was now freaking out in my down stairs toilet. He was claiming to be seeing Santa Clause and Bears in the toilet bowl, while trying to puke and asking us to call him an ambulance to which we replied "Your an ambulance.. ". The only thing in the house containing Vit C was Pink Grapefruit, He ate 2 whole grapefruits and proceeded to shout how his feet were moving as he walked into the sitting room! He was fine in 10 minutes and enjoying his trip

Also, Jagged_Toast. If you carry on with your plans I think your very silly, will no doubt attract police attention and probably gain a negative reputation for you and your little group. Who knows, you may also do yourselves some psychological damage too???

 

[Cammoflage]

I DISAGREE Forkbender and restin.

I think vids like that are real intersting, let me assk you this . wud you have ever tried salvia without seeing them on the net first.

My pals and me are making a set of videos for youtube wher we will smoke crazily strong salvia extracts in public places and then obviosly freaking out loudly!!!

. Weve already done a bus and a church and are planning a library soon.

Ill put the vids on for your enjoyment soon alphasnail

peace

what are the benefits of dooing so? psychedelics should be used in private envirments,.. youre just asking to be illegalised.. talk about stupidity

 

[HeartCore]

Please do not call me stupid. I admit it was foolish for my friend to smoke 60x without trying a weaker exract but he could not be persuaded otherwise. and yes I dont aprove of the video going online and I wont be so silly as to post it here it does end up on youtube. Also JAGGED_TOASTER I dont think ive heard of a stupider idea!

SO next time dont make such assumptions about people Synith!! its rather rude and arrogant!

Maybe, but the way you and your friends are using Salvia, is irresponsible, dangerous and disrespectful. People like you and your friends, have done a lot of harm already to the global Salvia community and the scenario you describe, sounds like a classic 'lets fuck up our buddy with Salvia, tape him and put him on youtube'.

Don't cry about being called irresponsible since it is irresponsible people like you, who screw it for the majority of people who actually inform themselves and use these plants in a responsible, well informed way as opposed to pulling a jack-assed joke on their friends just for (misplaced) fun.

I hope your friend is ok.

I think vids like that are real intersting, let me assk you this . wud you have ever tried salvia without seeing them on the net first.

Yes, but as opposed to you, I never was into glue sniffing or other things just 'to fuck me up'.

 

[SallyDee]

I DISAGREE Forkbender and restin.

I think vids like that are real intersting, let me assk you this . wud you have ever tried salvia without seeing them on the net first.

My pals and me are making a set of videos for youtube wher we will smoke crazily strong salvia extracts in public places and then obviosly freaking out loudly!!!

. Weve already done a bus and a church and are planning a library soon.

Ill put the vids on for your enjoyment soon alphasnail

peace

Salvia was around before internet was, so dont you think that people were using it before they could find a way to ruin it for the rest of us? If you are going to post videos them make sure and do an equal amounts of positive press coverage or else you will be the reason it gets banned in your state. How about just going to public places and freaking out and video taping it and not involving the salvia at all. You should read what they posted on the http://www.freshsalvia.com/blog about the Salvia video guy that started this whole ban.

 

[IJesusChrist]

... how is your friend?

I dove in 60x so that isn't a problem. It may be that your friend has never tripped on anything before - thus when coming out, he forgot to remind himself "this is only a drug". (albeit more experienced people are able to accept that its not)

This is way late, so I can't offer any immediate help, but how is s/he?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

My friend smoke a bowl of 60x salvia about an hour and a half ago and hes still in a mumbling stupor. Im sure this isnt normal. At what point should I consider medical attenton?

The medical profession is still pretty much in the dark regarding psychedelics and psychological processes set in motion by them.

This was his first time and as Im sure you will all tell me it was unwise to have started with such a strong extract.

It wasn't that unwise. The concentration of the extract doesn't determine how hard or how long you'll be tripping, it just determines how many inhalations it takes to get you there. Of course if the bowl is filled up with a ridiculous amount of 60X you may easily be launched into a very weird space after even half an inhalation, but generally the experiences from 60X and 10X are quite similar, if the smoker is determined to have a breakthrough experience. I think in all cases the trip ends after 8 to 10 minutes, but I'm not entirely sure about this.

Another thing is another few of my friends took a video of his screaming freakout and are in the process of putting it online. I dont think that will give a very good impression of this plant but they wont be pesuaded.

I think this is more or less a natural thing for teenagers to do, especially because in the case of Salvia the whole trip fits within the 10 minute upload limit, and there are all these funny side-effects (mumbling, drooling etc.) and if Salvia gets banned all over the world because of this, then so be it. I also find this very sad, but I refuse to call teenagers stupid, simply because they do what all children and teenagers do: have fun.

Regarding the question that was asked, I also experimented with Salvia before I knew about YouTube or the Salvia videos hosted there. I first heard about Salvia in a lecture by Terence McKenna.