Why we need nuclear power

[IJesusChrist]

The problem with nuclear power is the waste - but the waste is very radioactive, thus it is full of potential energy. We just don't know how to get it yet (or aren't trying).

The waste, when concentrated into tonnage amounts can easily be used to power a small town or area. How? Don't ask me.

Solar is just as fucking simple as it gets. You are taking our only source of energy (aside from nuclear) and using it. PFF WOW BIG SURPRISE, besides that - it can basically be made out of sand. We've got enough sand right?

 

[spice]

"The problem with nuclear power is the waste"

goddammit, no it's not, it's that we are an immature race of schizoid babygiants that don't want to think we are limited by the laws of the universe

Listen, let's look at that statement from this angle;

" The problem with fossil fuels is the waste "

Same statement, basically....the problem isn't the waste, it's that we are too short-sighted to understand why we should care. In a world of instant reward/ gratification, we are incapable of seeing beyond the tips of our dicks, undesiring to know things that do not benefit us immediately and directly.


We are a selfish, mentally plastic race of soft omnivores

 

[MrEmo]

 

[ophiuchus]

This saltwater thing is very interesting. But how much heat be produced from "burning" salt water? It doesnt seem to be a very high-output energy source.

With regards to the whole nuclear waste issue, I live about 30 minutes from Love Canal, which is still a total shithole. You would think there would be more government regulations about waste "disposal" (i use the term loosely). Yeah, there isnt. Less than 5 minutes away from me there are acres upon acres of fenced off areas that say GOVERNMENT PROPERTY KEEP OUT. And everything surrounding these tracts is residentially zoned.

^everyone read that last paragraph again. this is an example of the kind of "control" that the government uses.

and actually polska, the saltwater is separated via electrolysis, so there's no burning of saltwater, the water is electrically separated into it's elements, which are hydrogen, and oxygen. hydrogen being a highly flammable gas. and oxygen being the WASTE product. SAY WHAT??!! oxygen is the "waste" product... " oh no no, i think ill stick to my radioactive isotopes as far as waste products go..."

yeah, the government is "why" we "need" nuclear power... :idea: do any of you seriously think that if the government glorified and talked about nikola tesla all the time, enough to have REAL light shed on his work, so that people were familiar with his concepts, do you seriously think we'd still be using nuclear energy? no, you dont think, because no one talks about this, except for people who know little about his work (i included), because, nobody with the money to broadcast information (that you pay for) would ever put out the means to create your own energy, and therefore the potential to create your own broadcast information that DOESNT revolve around money (for fucking ONCE). can anyone put 1+1 together to see what that would do to the "economy" that (we?) "need"

 

[IJesusChrist]

What about tesla?

Tesla's best ideas are being used - his others are interesting, but don't have too much value in the residential home.

To broadcast your own information would be great, however it does take alot of energy to reach great distances? And it's nearly impossible to get any energy from broadcasting - as he thought was possible. Can you briefly explain what ideas I missed by tesla (No doubt he was a genius to the full extent of the word) that I should further look into?

A tesla turbine is very interesting, I've never seen the efficiency calculated to any degree, and given the new electric motors being 90%+ efficient, I don't know if tesla's turbine can beat that. Other than that I just knew he came up with AC and attempted to broadcast energy to the world (free) via radio frequencies.

Nuclear energy is still great, however it will never be realized in a sustainable, practical, safe manner.

 

[Crimzen]

from what i know on the subject (admittedly very little) i understand that nuclear power is at least preferable to fossil fuels in terms of waste??

also if waste management were done in a safer way like launching a container of nuclear waste into earths orbit until we learn how to use it to get more energy, wouldnt it be fairly viable?

these are questions not statements as i know shit-all on the subject

 

[spice]

Not a viable solution.

If we can't keep satellites in geosynchronous orbit above earth for 5 years, I don't know why you would be comfortable with 100 tons of radioactive waste hovering over you.

Really.

I am pretty fucking disappointed with all of you.


goddamn

 

[spice]

IJC-What you said about Tesla; wrong


It's almost like you work for them, you really, really, spend a lot of effort embracing the 'party line'


Where did you get your information that you based that opinion on?

(where you refer to the 'usefulness' of Teslas ideas, and how the good ones are already being used....tell me what you think about Victor Schauberger? What do you really know about HAARP? Don't google it, what do you KNOW ? Uh-huh)

Quit believing DOGMA, because I have basically seen with my own eyes that you will parrot disinformation (like you just did with the nuclear AND the Tesla comment)

....and you need to get a grip on that shit. Couple these tendencies with a natural conservative lean (which you have expressed, whether you are aware of it or not, in your 'humor' and 'comments') and it's a recipe for disaster.

Everyone has a right to an informed opinion, true, but you don't have the right to turn this board into a deception machine.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I don't know who victor is.

I know what HAARP is. It's a bunch of fucking antennas that can blast mega or gigawatts of long-wave radiation - radio, micro and infrared.

What do YOU Know about haarp? That its meant for mind control? That it can shoot down air craft?! That it can CONTROL THE WEATHER? Come the fuck on. It's a giant fucking light bulb. You cannot direct those kinds of waves with any accuracy - it's all or nothing.

so either you believe that they are using it for research on atmospheric chemistry and physics, OR you believe it's a giant doomsday device. Now what the fuck are you gonna believe?

And I took my college level electrical physics. I know what is and is not possible with tesla's ideas. Some were fantastic, others were just for show - the tesla coil - Neat! But what the fuck can you do with that?

Tesla's dreams were in the conduction of electricity through air at relativly little cost. NOT . FUCKING. POSSIBLE.

If you want to make the claim I don't know shit. Please, call me out on something, rather than asking me questions

(which earlier you stated is a good strategy for people who don't know what they are talking about)

I think you are painting yet another incorrect, or atleast skewed picture of me spice, as with a lot of people on here. I'm rational and educated - not a TV consumed, advertisement billboard for the government.

In fact, back to the OT, nuclear power can ONLY be used without governmental nation states. Look at Iran - whether or not they want to bomb us (their reasons for bombing us aside from religious ones are great), the political scheme of our capitalistic democracy destroys it. We, the US, don't do it because coal and oil are such large tycoons, the ability to have ONE reactor power an ENTIRE METROPOLITAN area is a stab in the back to those sitting in office - the ones with oil iin their pockets.

Get off my back man!

 

[spice]

haha

sure, return to your little fantasy

 

[spice]

Inductive charging uses the electromagnetic field to transfer energy between two objects. A charging station sends energy through inductive coupling to an electrical device, which stores the energy in the batteries. Because there is a small gap between the two coils, inductive charging is one kind of short-distance wireless energy transfer.

The other kind of charging, direct wired contact (also known as conductive charging or direct coupling) requires direct electrical contact between the batteries and the charger. Conductive charging is achieved by connecting a device to a power source with plug-in wires, such as a docking station, or by moving batteries from a device to charger.

Induction chargers typically use an induction coil to create an alternating electromagnetic field from within a charging base station, and a second induction coil in the portable device takes power from the electromagnetic field and converts it back into electrical current to charge the battery. The two induction coils in proximity combine to form an electrical transformer.

Greater distances can be achieved when the inductive charging system uses resonant inductive coupling.

Recognize any of Teslas concepts in there?


You, sir, are an idiot.

You made so many erroneous statements that I dont even know where to begin correcting you, but you should know better by now than to try to put me in my place arguing about these kinds of topics,

Your precious university education is a subsidized, sanitized stream of propaganda.

When/IF you ever realize this, you will be prepped to wake up.

 

[spice]

Nikola Tesla essentially invented the modern AC power grid. Westinghouse Corp's success was based on Tesla's patents. Tesla invented the brushless AC motor, the step-up/step-down power distribution system, and also the kilowatt radio transmitter that let Marconi communicate across the Atlantic.

The 'experts' of the time accused Tesla of crackpotism for, (among other things,) his claim that the whole Earth could resonate electrically at 7Hz, 14Hz, 21Hz, etc., all the way up into the tens of kilohertz. He claimed to have discovered this phenomenon during his radio observations of lightning strikes.The physicists of the time would have none of it. But then decades later, in the 1950s after Tesla was safely dead, during investigations of the VLF radio signals produced by lightning, it was discovered that... the whole Earth can resonate electrically at 7Hz, 14Hz, etc.

The phenomenon is today known as the Schumann resonances. (Schuman was pooping in diapers when Tesla made the initial discovery. Keep believing college when they tell you 'who' invented 'what')


Tesla also claimed that he could broadcast usable energy worldwide from a single radio transmitter. The physicists of 1910 know that radio waves can't bend around the Earth, also, he was using low frequencies (below 10KHz), and everyone knows that your receiving antenna must be immensely long to intercept significant power at those frequencies. Too bad an engineer (James F. Corum) in the 1980s actually sat down and calculated how well Tesla's scheme would have worked... and found that it was feasible after all. It uses the Earth-ionosphere waveguide. Certainly there would be a few megawatts of constant loss to ionospheric heating. But similar losses appear in any large power grid. But above that, Corum found that the system would only need to supply extra power whenever distant antennas were tuned correctly, and were actively pulling in energy. The sky would behave like a huge electrical grid, where a certain amount of power is lost to wire-heating, but where customers only draw energy as needed, and only when customer-demand appears do the transmitting generators need to run faster.


Oh, also it turns out that you DON'T need an immense antenna to receive longwave power. The electrical aperture or "virtual diameter" of small receiving antennas can be greatly enlarged by adding a high-Q resonator to the antenna. Particle physicists are familiar with this effect, since it's the origin of the enhanced virtual cross section for particle collisions at certain frequencies, and radio amateurs use this trick in order to operate on 160 meters using antennas mounted on cars, antennas which would otherwise be far too short to function. Portable AM radio receivers are even based on the effect. So Tesla's broadcast power scheme would have worked, the only question is how efficiently.... he very probably could have run clocks, radios, small motors, and light bulbs worldwide. But Tesla himself claimed that testing showed that "industrial" amounts of power could be transferred. So, he wasn't a crackpot regarding the power-transmission idea itself. Maybe he was right about the high power levels too. Nobody knows, except the government and Westinghouse.

During WWII, Tesla proposed to build a national defense system of "death ray" towers which could supposedly shoot down aircraft many miles away. Experts need not even listen the details, since the claim is garbage on the face of it.

Too bad that modern researchers later rediscovered Tesla's ideas 'independently', (sure they did) and put them to heavy use in the last ten years: the 2002 Nobel prize for chemistry was based on the very thing Tesla used as his death ray, a narrow beam of atomic clusters generated by the "electrospray" effect, and then accelerated electrically in a vacuum. Tesla's death ray was essentially a water-jet cutter, but a cutter using tiny mercury droplets or tungsten particles rather than tiny water droplets, and he accelerated them electrically rather than using high pressure. It certainly was a "death ray." The only question is, what was its lethal range? Modern water-jet cutters are only lethal over a couple feet at most. Tesla claimed that he had built and tested death-ray devices, and insisted that they could take out aircraft over many kilometers range. He put this down to the extremely colinear trajectories of the charged metal droplets, an effect not present with water sprays in water jet cutters.



In all of Tesla's later work there is a repeating pattern: first the experts of the time declare that Tesla is an utter crackpot. Then decades pass, and it turns out that Tesla's claims were at least partly right, and possibly completely right.Then it turns out that the people accusing Tesla of crackpotism hadn't even studied Tesla's claims, they were simply judging a "book" that they hadn't bothered to read. But then something strange happens. Tesla's vindication HAS NO EFFECT on the opinions about him... the scoffers don't change their tune. They "know" that Tesla was a crackpot.


Victor Schaubergers story is depressingly similar.


I understand why people can't afford to believe, you'd have to change your worldview.


Sorry, but the government doesn't love you ( and I aint referring to a political government either )

 

[spice]

IJC said:

"If you want to make the claim I don't know shit. Please, call me out on something, rather than asking me questions"

(which earlier you stated is a good strategy for people who don't know what they are talking about)



Dude I have been calling you out for a while now. Generally. Compute it.


Quit being so fucking worried about correcting me and learn to listen.


Not all worthy info comes from professors, sonnyboy.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Spice, settle the fuck down dude.

"You made so many erroneous statements that I dont even know where to begin correcting you, but you should know better by now than to try to put me in my place arguing about these kinds of topics,"

Then, really - POINT THEM OUT. And I will defend them.

Induction coils in use:

The reason it hasn't been used before is it's not efficient. The restivity of older nickle and cadmium batteries required high voltages, and inductive coil charging wouldn't be very efficient. With lithium ion batteries, the resistance is lower, and thus a lower voltage can be used, and the battery is charged more efficiently. It's VERY simple electrical engineering - and in fact EVERY transformer (you know, that big box you plug into the wall) is used by that.

These are a necessity for the long distance travelled by AC power systems. The AC power system (which tesla invented) is actually the best way to produce power from NON-LOCAL corporations. I don't even want to look up how much energy is lost in the average city, just in the power lines themselves - I'm sure it could sustain another city.

So to counter your pro-tesla arguement, I would say with the idea of DC power being used and supported, more local the power stations would have to be - because DC power is so inefficient over long distances, but is the best way to power any device. Only select few types of electrical equipment can use PURE AC power - and of those 90% are just lightbulbs.

AC is really a governmental idea of monopolizing power. DC power - where edison was focused, gave power directly to the consumer. All simple sources of energy are DC, and all appliances can be run of DC, and in fact, if you had a 24V power supply, it would be nearly double the efficiency of the 120v AC power supply of the power company, when everything is said and done.

IN THE LONG RUN - I am trying to show you I know my fucking electrical engineering, I know what Tesla thought of, I know what happened to him and I know why his ideas aren't being used (and why some are).

Don't call me a fucking idiot without have a valid reason. You're just skewing this arguement and I have yet to directly insult you in any way. Getting really sick of the jumping on my ass for nothing

 

[IJesusChrist]

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Educate yourself

and as far as your wikipedia search on tesla's weapon idea:

...no. Who's going to be able to carry around a million volts? In a plane? In a tank? F=ma, E=.5mv^2.

In fact, for you and me both, I'll do the calculations to find out how much energy would be needed to create a death ray at many miles out of mercury. I'll be back later after a bit of beer and some laughing at myself for doing this

 

[spice]

you know, I am sure you could have a good career in government, or do you already?

 

[IJesusChrist]

get your head out of the sand you 70's hippie.

being rational doesn't mean I'm pro-government. Everything I said above was anti-government. Fail again at calling me out on anything in particular...

Edit: no wait, I do work for the government. I am a narc.

AFTER YOU! SPICE!

 

[ophiuchus]

ijc:

To broadcast your own information would be great, however it does take alot of energy to reach great distances?

you're missing the point, all of you. or at least not bringing it up. nikola tesla created FREE energy. ill say it again. FREE. like i said. REAL light needs to be shed on his work, not the fucking government edited (dumbed down, finite) version of his work that is the ONLY thing that any of you have access to. they seize the rights, circumcise it, then publish it as their own. over a great period of time of course, so that they can fully rape (annual harvest) the economy with each "*NEW!!1!!!!1!!!*" invention, so that it seems like we are coming to all these *NEW!!!!!1!!* breakthroughs in science that they deliberately make with shitty components, and take years to improve on, when it's all based off the same ( deliberately retarded frankenstein baby) technology!

 

[IJesusChrist]

Care to explaiin the concept I'm missing in free energy?

My assummption was Tesla wanted to broadcast energy the same way we broadcast radio, through electromagnetic waves. That way the government couldn't control it, and couldn't monitor who was getting it and who wasn't and thusly couldn't charge you to use it.

If my assumption is the same idea that you are talking about (you should elaborate on free energy - that's a bold statement) then:

1) Inverse square law.

2) It isn't free - we'd still have to pay for it in taxes.

3) Inverse square law...

 

[MrEmo]

Inverse square law doesnt apply in the case of Schumann resonance because the ionosphere contains the wave.

1.look up inverse square law
2.look up Schumann resonance
3.look up standing wave