Who is REALLY responsible for 9/11 ????

[spice]

I am genuinely curious as to who my colleagues here at psychonaut believe is responsible for the World Trade Center destruction of 9/11 ?

The reason I didn't ask in a poll, is because I'd also like to know why you think what you think....


I believe the neo-cons did it, in order to facilitate the war on islam that was a natural consequence of it.....Bush was up[ to his neck in it, not directly....at the
behest of his master, Satan, er, Cheney...

All we have is their word that some arabs did it. Not enough for me....I've found a lot of disturbing information that leads me to believe Israel and America facilitated these attacks...and that Israeli commandos were involved. There are records and photographs.....a team of Israeli commandos were stopped with explosives very near all this, not once but Twice, on diffefrent occasions, and the Federal govt got them released, and hushed it up.


It's difficult to believe for some of you, but not for me, I am old enough to KNOW where Saddam came from, old enough to remember Iran Contra, and I KNOW who Gary Webb is....

The modus operandi of our secret govt. is exactly this.....


When will the sleepers awake?

Will they ever?

Is the urge to take it in the ass going to mean the end of America?

This is what the WILLING IGNORANCE of people is going to eventually lead to.


The republicans don't even deserve a formal political platform for their views anymore, in my opinion.

They have abused the trust of the people ruthlessly,time and again.....


They deserve to be ran out of the country.

 

[Shake]

ummm the American government????

Although it sounds out there.. i have seen some pretty convincing info on it...

How is my aim?

 

[Brugmansia]

You are from Cal, Spice?

 

[poisoninthestain]

well, here is how i understand it...the PATRIOT Act was signed shortly after the attack...mainly on the grounds to prevent future "terror" attacks...the act basically nulls our 4th amendment rights to some degree.

...the war "on terror" began shortly thereafter. the war on poverty, hunger, drugs, terror...all these wars ironically can never end. how can someone start a war that never began? all these things have been going on since the beginning of time...and aren't going to stop anytime soon. yet another lie by the U.S. gov. to stick our heads into the fire which is Iraq and all that shit. this is just my opinion though.

honestly, i don't really know what to think about the attacks...given what i know. but i do know that if it wasn't for the christian-republican ethic in the US prior to the attacks i would bet my life on it that such things would not have escalated to the extreme that they have. somewhere in the range of 75% of americans are christians...just a thought.

the news talks about "liberals" like it's a bad thing. i hear this all the time. but rare is it to hear the word "conservative" used in negative context. liberal means "free", "conservative" means to hold something back. so what are they conserving? ask a republican...what makes them so conservative? it's morals...it all comes down to their morals IMO. why are they against "drugs" abortion, immigration, ect...to name a few? morals. They say "WELL, that's immoral. It's just wrong. Think of our kids...

but when it comes down to defining what these morals are and why they protect them so much they can't answer...if you've ever taken a class in ethics you'd learn that morality is subjective...and because so it does not need a reason of verification to explain those morals...

basically...to summarize everything; if you don't think for yourself and question authority constantly you'll become just like them, sheep that follow the herd. the difference between you and them is they rather not question those beliefs, it's scary.

...i sorta went on a bit of a tangent there but this shit just gets me so fucking mad i can't contain myself. i just want ppl to wake up from their ignorance. that's not to say that i'm without my own ignorance, bc i def. have my own subconscious basement of scary things...but at least i'm aware and awake enough to realize it. the neo-con fascists don't.

...wow that was long lol

 

[spice]

Brugmansia- Texas

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

The Zionists did it. And that includes certain neocons, Isrealis, jews etc. But don't turn it around: not all neocons, Israelis and jews were involved in 9/11. Whether Arabs/Muslims were involved is irrelevant: sure, most of them would have loved to crash a plane into those buildings, but your question is who factually did it, and it's obvious the attack was masterminded by the Zionists.

"I pledge allegiance..."

 

[Forkbender]

I guess a lot of people in a lot of different countries knew about the plans and anticipated on it (for example the owner of the two buildings who just happened to have upscaled the insurance payment in case of terrorist attacks just a few months prior to 9/11). The American government is involved to a certain extent, but they might as well be kept out of the loop by other influential people.

 

[Brugmansia]

For me the case is as good as closed. But all I want to add is that IF Iraq and Afganhnistan would have turned into a true democratic republic with fair elections if would have affected the entire Middle-East.

And then it'd have opened doors to solve the conflict between Israel en the Middle East as well. The negotiations with oil would have been much easier. And then the world would be way more capatalistic as a whole and not just in the Western world.

So I don't dare to say that 9/11 has been simulated, but it for SURE has been used by the Republicans. they attempted in vain to spread capitalism and true democratical laws within the Middle East, and to make Israel stable for life.

Remember that 20% of the entire possession and money in the world belong to Jews. And Wall Street is runned by Jews. In fact, the American dominance has been realised with lots of effort and financial support of the Jews.

I don't know, but what I do know for sure is that we're all equal organisms, just in different jackets. For a start the world would be much better if 5.5 billion homo sapiens realised that.

 

[spice]

^ :idea:

 

[restin]

I'm not sure if the government has planned these attacks...I've seen this movie in the internet about this topic (how was it called? it's quite famous though) but sacrificing over 5000 people is quite hardcore. The movie sounds quite illuminating but hmm very difficult to decide.

But the attack came (ironically or by purpose) in the perfect moment. I mean there were (are?) thousands of policemen in the large cities observing everything, the secret agencies have the rights to watch every step of every individual. Very scary how the attack has helped to create a 1984-like state...typical case of manipulation.

EDIT: here in switzerland we have a (more harmless but similar) case. Our conservative party uses affrays caused by foreigners to build up a very xenophobic politic. They are the most popular party in switzerland...

 

[buffachino]

Economic capitalism.
Industrial dictatorship.
These are the big winners here, and anyone under their umbrella will happily get in on a piece of the pie.
It’s a vast web of lies, conspired to dominate and terrorise the people of the world into consuming the products of their own fear.

Governments are the proverbial love child of economics.
Suckling at the teat like the fat piglets that they are.

It all comes back down to power.
A nightmare made flesh.

 

[st.bot.32]

I've yet to see any really convincing conspiracy theory movie, pretty much every argument ever made about the towers has an equally valid explanation if you do the research.

However that doesn't mean I don't think the government wasn't involved. They certainly allowed it to happen, and certainly took full advantage of it. They completely twisted the story with Iraq, linking Al Qaeda with Hussein when there was no connection, then inventing the story about the WMDs.. and the neocon sheeple went right along with it, selectively forgetting why they even went into Iraq in the first place, mindlessly croning their "support our troops" litany as an excuse. In short, they were just looking for an excuse to go to war.

The media certainly exploited it, replaying the falling towers for days straight, and it was absolutely disgusting how within hours of the attacks the media already had "war on terror" logos complete with music being broadcast on the air.

Anyone remember the video footage of the Arabs dancing around after the twin towers fell? It made out all the Arabs to celebrating the fall of the towers, when in reality some of it was apparently completely unrelated.. footage of festivals happening coincidentally around the same time...

 

[HeartCore]

Spice, when I saw the second plane crashing on a news channel, the first thought that I had was 'Bush (administration) is the only to benefit from this". What I've seen since then in documentaries has only strengthened this thought.


st.bot.32 have you seen loose change? That didn't leave much of a way out for the government in my opinion but I've not been overly interested in the follow ups on that movie.


HC

 

[ararat]

that one nails it pretty much, in my opinion.

 

[st.bot.32]

Yes, I've seen bits of it and pretty much all of zeitgeist (which seems to rehash lots of loose change), however I had already seen plenty of quite detailed explanations for the discrepancies the documentaries show.. so I wasn't so impressed. I'm not saying they are definitely wrong, but I'm well aware enough of editing techniques and media manipulation that my alarm bells were ringing, even though it was bashing an administration I am very happy to see get bashed.

The thing is I kind of find the "who did it" somewhat irrelevant compared to the result of the towers falling: the war in iraq. the official story never matched up. they blamed the towers on Bin Laden then attacked Hussein, which is completely unrelated to the Al-Qaeda (but neocons are so geographically clueless that they can't tell the difference). And as we all know, the US govt funded what became the Al-Qaeda in the first place because they were trying to ward off the Russians. The situation is so messy, the death toll so high and the supporters of the war so generally ignorant that I don't even need to know what happened to the towers to be thoroughly dismayed.

 

[acim2]

I think the clincher for me will be if there's an "attack" just before November of this year. I think that if neo-cons want to stay in power, that would be the perfect thing for them to do...if they are capable. If they were able to set off a nuclear bomb somewhere in the US...who knows, we might not be able to hold safe elections and will have to keep the current administration in place. Either that, or people would vote against their interests because of fear and put McCain in power. (Why would they feel safer with McCain...because of conditioning and lies which make some people feel that he would be better capable of protecting us even when the opposite is true.)

I don't think there is any doubt that the 9/11 attacks helped the Bush presidency, allowed them to put more power into the executive, and causes citizens and legislatures to give up our rights.

But....I just don't think that the neo-cons are that smart. I think they are more incompetent than anything else. Certainly _some_ of them think they are protecting our country by taking away our rights and invading other countries rather than being evil consciously. I think in general it's just stupidity.

I also think that if it was planned and more than a few people knew about it, it would leak. I don't really believe in X-Files style clandestine operations controlling everything, because people are human and have flaws and emotions which would not allow secrets of that magnitude. I may be naive....but if you look at history, smart people generally knew what the secrets are even if they couldn't prove them.

I think the more likely conspiracies are related to electronic voting and using the threat of an attack and falsified information to make people believe that they need to give up their rights, and that they are best served by those who most want to take their rights away.

At most, and I even doubt this, someone, somewhere, allowed the 9/11 attacks to take place in order to gain power. But, I'd be really surprised if they planned the whole thing.

I think more likely than having an attack towards November, we will have some phony threats that are supposedly thwarted because people gave up their rights. And McCain will point to it and say that if the Dems get power the attack would have happened. Expect the security alert to get higher and higher.

The one good thing, it's a great time to visit NYC when they start scaring everyone...since it's less crowded.

 

[st.bot.32]

I agree a lot with what you say, Acim and the sad thing is if there was an "attack" before November, a significant portion of the population would fall for it. Much like they fall for any stupid hearsay during an election campaign, only worse.