When is Racism not Racism

[itsscience]

It seems to me that for many people some forms of racism are acceptable.

I was prompted to post this topic after reading a thread on Alex Jones. I don't know who Alex Jones is and I've never heard his theories. What struck me about the thread though was the amount of racism directed towards jewish people and it occured to me that it seems to be ok, at least in some people's minds, to be racist towards the jewish race.

I'm not jewish but it seems to me that this group of people is being persecuted and not many see a problem with that.

My question to you all then is this:

Is racism only bad when directed towards perceived minorities and or disadvantaged groups? For instance I could distribute writings calling the white man the devil and saying he is evil etc and I doubt anyone would call me a racist.

 

[Crimzen]

racism is racism
firstly the term 'reverse racism' is just retarded, its basically the same as a double negative
if, for example, a white guy calls a black guy a racist slur like nigger then everyone in the room will jump up in arms
however if a black guy is racist towards a white guy then no one could give 2 shits
racism is just yet another form of grouping certain people together for the sake of prejudice

australia is full of 'latent racism' where people think its just normal and ok to be racist against aboriginals or asians or people from the middle east, if you start throwing around racist jokes and insults then chances are, depending who you're with of course, no one will give it a second thought

 

[IJesusChrist]

racism is racism, but the perceived negativity of racism on an individual basis is often overshot.

I often find myself questioning whether or not I should have said what I said pertaining to someone's race - this is stupid. Just say what ever the hell you are going to say. You can argue that a person's race amplifies their probabilities of doing certain actions, or being a certain way - it's just how we work.

To go so far as to say we are all equal (besides the hippy mentality) is too far fetched. We are not all the same, and the homogenization of the society we live in is bullshit. I'm not saying that you should condemn a race, or insult someone for their race, but both extremes are bad and inhuman(e).

 

[spice]

there you go yet again, with a cock-head comment in the middle of a somewhat intelligent statement.

you might actually figure it out one day

 

[spice]

@the OP-


you are mistaking a 'scathing indictment' for racism.


Racism is more about hating someone because of different appearance and strange customs; ie; because of their differences.....you know, a white person can be racist towards other white people, and it is just as bad, this was the basis of the caste system in India, a horrible form of racism called 'class-ism'.... See IJC's comment about hippies above, as an example of unconscious racist, class-ist, tendencies on display.


What I said about Alex Jones isn't racism, it's an expose'. If you go around with an agenda, be fucking consistent, at least.


There's a difference.



There is also a difference in holding a race of people accountable for what their culture has done, and singling out one individual to bear that cross for the whole race, whch is the essence of racism, laying the (percieved) transgressions of a group at the feet of an individual.

 

[spice]

It seems to me that for many people some forms of racism are acceptable.

I was prompted to post this topic after reading a thread on Alex Jones. I don't know who Alex Jones is and I've never heard his theories. What struck me about the thread though was the amount of racism directed towards jewish people and it occured to me that it seems to be ok, at least in some people's minds, to be racist towards the jewish race.

I'm not jewish but it seems to me that this group of people is being persecuted and not many see a problem with that.

My question to you all then is this:

Is racism only bad when directed towards perceived minorities and or disadvantaged groups? For instance I could distribute writings calling the white man the devil and saying he is evil etc and I doubt anyone would call me a racist.

Absolutely no disrespect meant to you, original poster, but you have NEVER HEARD ALEX JONES talk, you do not know who he is, by your own admission.

You did start a topic about racism,but the example you used must be used within context, I am not racist, but I must ask you, do you believe that the jews have been 'victims'.....?

Owning the federal reserve doesn't seem 'victimized' to me.....being despotic rulers of the middle east, on a spit of land stolen from its rightful owners (this was palestine, for the record), n the midst of a sea of hostility.....middle finger extended towards the whole world.....


I don't think they are victims.


And the cowboy that these bastards borrow those 'Nuclear Testicles' from?


(apple pie cue here)


Perception can be cultivated, it is not a wild weed.

 

[Fantomass]

Owning the federal reserve doesn't seem 'victimized' to me.....being despotic rulers of the middle east, on a spit of land stolen from its rightful owners (this was palestine, for the record), n the midst of a sea of hostility.....middle finger extended towards the whole world.....


I don't think they are victims.


And the cowboy that these bastards borrow those 'Nuclear Testicles' from?

Well this is racist...

 

[spice]

No, it's not, hard-ass-head.


If I met a guy (or girl) from Israel, on a train, say......and I say, Hi, and they say, Hi and I say, I am joe from california, and she says I am Dovena from Israel......


If I hang all the crimes that I listed on HER, without discussion,then I AM racist......if I discuss it with her.....and decide to hate her after she tells me that she supports the nations official political policies, then I am merely judgemental.


That's a BIG fucking difference.


Why didn't you address any of the points instead of hanging a label on what I said and leaving?

 

[spice]

I think many of you actually DO NOT KNOW what is racist and prejudiced and what isn't.

It is amazing to me that I have to spend this much time defining such a simplistic concept.


Almost universlly, it seems people tend to think that criticizing a nation amouts to racism.


I bet every single one of you are critical of, and racist towards, say.......Nazi Germany.....justifiably so, too...but really now, is all of your senses of nuance and subtlety so numb and tone-deaf that you need such an EXTREME example to generate the proper reaction?

Critical thinking 101, question ALL AUTHORITY ALL THE FUCKING TIME, quit being such pansy-assed sheep and actually take some bold positions, based on the CONFIDENCE in your own abilities and perceptions.


History 101-


Q: 'What orchestrated event removed us, culturally, from the Gold Standad as a currency base?'


History 201-

Q: 'Why is that important and relevant to his discussion'?

 

[itsscience]

Spice, no need for name calling in an intelligent discussion, it merely serves to detract from the content of your posts.

You don't discriminate against the individual you say and yet you happily lump the actions of the government of the state of Israel (in its current form) at the feet of "Jews" and you ask me whether I think "Jews" are victims and you tell me "Jews own the Federal Reserve".

You may prefer to call it paranoia but it seems somewhat racist to me, just a popular form of racism.

 

[Crimzen]

To go so far as to say we are all equal (besides the hippy mentality) is too far fetched. We are not all the same, and the homogenization of the society we live in is bullshit.

Agreed
we arent all equal, we are all INDIVIDUALLY different
i hate to judge but if you need to judge someone do it based only on what they have done and dont reference their actions against those of everyone else from their particular race

i dont think race is the issue in regards to stereotypes i think its more nurture than nature
the only differences between one race and another are biological
for example if a white family adopts a child from a black family and raises the child as their own then the child will be 'white' other than its biology


also i hate being lumped into the "white" category, like everyone with any kind of european decent is a single race
its the same with black, like australian aboriginals and africans are far removed yet people call them the same things and often associate them with similar things even if aboriginals are more closely related to asians and polynesians than to africans

i dno
i just try my best to look at each person as an individual entity rather than a sum of people of their skin colour
eventually we'll all be chinese anyway

 

[spice]

"the only differences between one race and another are biological"

You are incorrect, there is the vector of this thing called 'culture'......( Anthropology 101, master the basic talking points to debate the subject)


and 'culture' NOT BIOLOGY is where what I am trying to point out to you all exists, within the culture.
[perception of biological inferiority was the real, original basis of discrimination and racism, you guys need to LISTEN]


Why do so many of you have problems overcoming 'political correctness' in order to see the truth?

You do not have to accept my analysis of the finer points, I could give a shit, BUT you are doing yourselves a disservice
by dismissing what I say simply because its offensive and far from pc.


So FUCKING WHAT? I find it offensive that they are Robin to the USA's Batman, always willing to start shit and ignore the UN.
(and before anyone takes it there, FUCK YES I would rather a consensus of multiple national opinions rather than the mono-maniacal militant 'Christianity' based bullshit Israel is always shoveling. They are warmongering religious zealots)



Fuck Israel, for the record.

I base that on observation, common sense, and analysis.


People need to take the blinders off, the moslems aren't the real bad guys, they are a collective race of Lee Harvey Oswalds.



Word

 

[spice]

this deserves a glance for those of you who are not braindead, it is where pro-Israel lobby money is paid out to here in America.





http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/ ... dates.html

 

[IJesusChrist]

everyone is god's children

 

[spice]

Not everyone.


Some people take advantage of the fact that people like you think that way, this enables them to get away with some incredibly bad stuff


W-o-r-d

 

[Crimzen]

hold on nah
spice

You are incorrect, there is the vector of this thing called 'culture'.

Culture is NOT race specific
culture is region specific

they are not the same
for sure culture comes into it but for example in australia there are many different races under a single 'culture' if you can call it a culture
and yet there is still racism

culture is culture and race is race
you can take one person out of there culture at birth and put them into another and they can still be discriminated against due to there race assuming they dont look the same as the majority

 

[Iersuko]

Spice, no need for name calling in an intelligent discussion, it merely serves to detract from the content of your posts.

You don't discriminate against the individual you say and yet you happily lump the actions of the government of the state of Israel (in its current form) at the feet of "Jews" and you ask me whether I think "Jews" are victims and you tell me "Jews own the Federal Reserve".

You may prefer to call it paranoia but it seems somewhat racist to me, just a popular form of racism.

Spice isn't condemning the nation for what they are. He is condemning the nation and those who support their policies for what they do. The fact that they are Jewish is coincidental.

 

[Iersuko]

Racism is simply prejudice based on race. Manefested in either action; aggressive or passive aggressive. Or inaction; someone called whoever a name and no one stands up in the name of unity regardless what their affiliation may be..

Stereotypes are self perpetuating. As long as we judge anyone for anything they do whether based on looks, color, clothes, hair, salary, whatever. There will always be people there to exploit what we think to peddle fear, attraction, loathing, contempt, apathy, and desire.

Business men will continue to "dress for success". Thugs will continue to sag and dress however in whatever they think is cool. Because they profit from fulfilling that stereotype one way or another they carry on passing that influence from this generation to the next. Whenever a guy dresses in a suit at a job interview or a girl throws on makeup and a short skirt to go to the club. Image and how the world perceives us consumes us.

We have all fallen victim to it at times in our life and still do whether you would like to admit it or not.

 

[Iersuko]

P.S. When people sans intelligents yell racial slurs no matter what they say, intelligent people don't get angry. They laugh at how crude the racists are.

Similarly "..men shouldn't get angry when a dog barks at them. They simply don't speak the same language. If it lunges at you, stand your ground. If it follows you, don't run. If the dog bites you... bite back....." -- J.L. Thomas

 

[ophiuchus]

Culture is NOT race specific
culture is region specific

they are not the same

are a NOT the same yeah, but culture is both race AND region specific. there are too many gray areas on both sides of that for you to draw a line there...