What is meaning of war against magic mushrooms in Amsterdam

[Brugmansia]

A hedonistic moron with no self agentship becomes a projectile on a rampage. Conclusion: Do not consume shrooms if you're seduced by a commercial for the newest BMW.

 

[HeartCore]

Christianity sprung forth from a mushroom cult & Christians want to prohibit mushrooms. You guys do the math or if you don't believe it, study history for yourself.

 

[druglessdouglas]

A hedonistic moron with no self agentship becomes a projectile on a rampage. Conclusion: Do not consume shrooms if you're seduced by a commercial for the newest BMW.

where i live BMW means break my windows

the Book of Numbers: " manna arrived with the dew during the night"

Book of Exodus states that it tasted like wafers that had been made with honey. The Israelites were instructed to only eat the manna they had gathered for each day, for leftovers or storing any up for the following day resulted in manna that "bred worms and stank"

 

[dasilva]

The whole situation has nothing to do with (true) Christianity or politicians carrying out a Christian policy. Hell, the people in parliament (CDA, CU etc) only use the Christian label because they know that that image/label appeals to a certain percentage of the populace. How can a true Christian ban something that lies at the basis of their own religion?! For more info on that see: The Pharmacratic Inquisition (Google Video).

The reason this is all happening now is because mushrooms are a substance that endager a system which is based on alcohol, caffeïne and tobacco. All substances that narrow people's consciousness. More on that in the wonderful "Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna. If you watch carefully the government is suddenly passing all kinds of laws and taking measures to limit people's freedom and moreover to expand control (e.g. Electronic Children Dossier, Electronic Patient Dossier).

And ever wondered why all of a sudden we see these stickers in shops that say: Klein bedrag, Pinnen Mag! Yes, they are going to end cash money and move to the much more controllable digital money. And most people don't even notice a thing. Too caught up in their favorite TV shows and their all important job and career.

It's Orwell all over again!

 

[druglessdouglas]

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

In India the brahmanas (priests) and all vaishnavas (devotees of Lord Vishnu) don't eat mushrooms, because scripture says they grow in impure places and so are tamo-guna, having the quality of darkness. The first written statements about mushrooms can be traced back to the period which followed the Vedic period. It was obviously some priests who purposefully wanted people to abstain from all mushrooms, so they would come worship the God or Goddess in their monotheistic or polytheistic shrines. Devotion to God (Kali, Durga, Siva, Krishna, Vishnu, Allah) was advocated and the ingestion of mushrooms discouraged. And we know that the secret of Soma was lost around the same time.

However, nowadays no Hindu guru will purposefull tell you to not eat mushrooms because of the experience, they're just repeating what their scripture says: mushrooms are impure, they give rise to lethargy, so you should avoid them. I believe something similar happened in Christianity, but I'm not at all convinced all current Christian leaders are aware of this.

 

[Forkbender]

In India the brahmanas (priests) and all vaishnavas (devotees of Lord Vishnu) don't eat mushrooms, because scripture says they grow in impure places and so are tamo-guna, having the quality of darkness. The first written statements about mushrooms can be traced back to the period which followed the Vedic period. It was obviously some priests who purposefully wanted people to abstain from all mushrooms, so they would come worship the God or Goddess in their monotheistic or polytheistic shrines. Devotion to God (Kali, Durga, Siva, Krishna, Vishnu, Allah) was advocated and the ingestion of mushrooms discouraged. And we know that the secret of Soma was lost around the same time.

However, nowadays no Hindu guru will purposefull tell you to not eat mushrooms because of the experience, they're just repeating what their scripture says: mushrooms are impure, they give rise to lethargy, so you should avoid them. I believe something similar happened in Christianity, but I'm not at all convinced all current Christian leaders are aware of this.

I am not convinced as well.

One other reason for banning mushrooms from the diet is that there are simply too many toxic ones around.

 

[druglessdouglas]

like the Semitic taboo of eating pork. i dont think its because pigs have demons in them. it just doesnt keep in hot climates and caries many human parasites such as worms. ditto shellfish doesnt stay edible long in the heat. not eating dead animals you find laying about is self explanitory.
lore becomes law

 

[HeartCore]

I believe something similar happened in Christianity, but I'm not at all convinced all current Christian leaders are aware of this.

All christian leaders are aware of sorcery, taking mushrooms is basically sorcery in the eyes of christians (otherwise it would be a heretic). Most up to date studies leave little doubt that John Allegro was mostly correct with his findings which means: early gnostic christianity was bases on a fertility mushroom cult. For me this was the last piece of the puzzle, I was since long aware that the original christian movement was a gnostic movement and has nothing to do with the sorry excuse for religion that we inherited. My question for years was:'If early christians where gnostic, what where the means/rites in order to connect to gnosis? It's clear: 'psychoactive plants, mushrooms'.

Anyone who wants to dive into this subject has to 'fight' their way through biased and unfair articles related to this subject, Gordon Wasson for example has done a lot to discredit John Allegro (and admitted that later in life) but as a Dutch saying goes: 'Even if the lie is lightning fast, truth will catch up.'. So truth did catch up, christianity sprang forth from a fertility cult using psychoactives, the evidence is there for everybody to look at, don't take my word for it. Jan Irvings new book goes into much detail about this but don't make the mistake to assume that all of this is based on just one guys research, it's not, it's very broad and laid out.

O and not all parts of the story can be found in 'dope' related books

 

[mysticwarrior]

Jan Irvings new book goes into much detail about this but don't make the mistake to assume that all of this is based on just one guys research, it's not, it's very broad and laid out.

I think that i soon gonna read the farmacratic inquisision and Jan's new book, the holy mushrooms....

 

[zezt]

One of the best books I have read about the history of prohibition of entheogens is a book by Dan Russell titled Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda: Patriarchy and the Drug War

Russell show how it was for 'our' indigenous history, because our elites always use ancient Greece as the foundation of western civilization.

" The worship of earth in a word comes before the worship of heaven. This worship of earth and the daimonic powers of the earth is...closely and even inextricably mixed with the cult of the dead. The daimonic power of the dead is figured under the form of a snake.
When the Olympians mounted from Olympos to the upper air they were, it seems, ashamed of their earth-origin and resolved to repudiate their snake tails" (page 177)

So see that, the former would embrace the entheogens as a sacred direct experience of god/soul/spirit/nature, whilst the latter theocracy splits this sense, making the 'gods' aloof high in the air on Mount Olympos, totally having lost any animal or plant attributes that link them with nature, and become like cartoon super heros. They are 'immortal' and we are 'mortal', and our our ingestion of sacred plants/gods of nature, as in becoming possessed of that power now is condemned as being the greatest sin, 'hubris'. This same theme is also in the Judaic-Christian-Islamic myth of the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve are forbidden to eat the (entheogenic) fruit!

So here we see this conpiracy by elites for not allowing 'mere mortals', eg., those not considered with the 'initiated' elites, access to entheogenic vegetation. So myths are writ up that both hide the actual source, but also warn of us delving into daimonic realms which are demonized by these same manipulating myth makers

So how does this pan out (pun intended) in a pseudo-secular scenario?

As I am understanding it, and am exploring about this in another thread/ The Goddess and the Occultocracy that the real elite is hiding behind the scenes, and it uses fronts/puppets like Right, and Left wing politics, Capitalism and Communism and Fascism, and Christianity etc to further mainpulate the 'masses'

A VERY VERY (extremely) important crucial part of this manipulation/myth you must closely study and understand in all of this oppression is the History of Psychiatry. And you will see the thread of it!! How it is been made for us to believe of ourselves that we are nothing but chemcial reactions without soul. And hence the law makers who now use THIS myth can denigrate magic mushrooms as being mere 'chemical changers' which are dangerous, and thus conveniently not having to address their sacred meaning which is primordial.

This is why it is so vitally important we educate ourselves about this, which simultaneously means de-educating their programming that has been drilled into us via their schools, colleges, univerisites, mass media, corporations, peer pressure, political propaganda, etc

Psychiatry: Instrument of Death

 

[HeartCore]

This same theme is also in the Judaic-Christian-Islamic myth of the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve are forbidden to eat the (entheogenic) fruit!

Older versions of the Genesis story talk about a government prohibiting Adam & Eve eating from the forbidden fruit. It's the church that turned this story around and made eating from the tree as a sin to God while in fact, the sin in the original story is the sin of the governments prohibition.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

One other reason for banning mushrooms from the diet is that there are simply too many toxic ones around.

I don't believe that's relevant. There are not that many toxic mushrooms, and lots of edible ones. I'm sure people in those days were sophisticated enough to pass on the knowledge that Boletus edulis and many other easily recognizable species are delicious, and that others are disgusting and give you a tummy ache, or kill you.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

A VERY VERY (extremely) important crucial part of this manipulation/myth you must closely study and understand in all of this oppression is the History of Psychiatry. And you will see the thread of it!! How it is been made for us to believe of ourselves that we are nothing but chemcial reactions without soul.

I'm quite aware of the anti-psychiatry movement and I support their views. But at the same time I also believe that we are in fact the sum total of chemical reactions and their concommitant electrical signals in our nervous system. I don't believe in a soul anymore, nor do I think one needs to believe in a soul to be a good psychotherapist or healer. I believed in the soul concept for about 15 years, but recently gave it up. All I am is this body in the here and now, conditioned and programmed by my past and present. When I'm dead, I will cease to be. I won't be punished for my sins or rewarded for my good deeds. Death is the end of a process, a chemical process. Without chemistry and electrical signals, set up and orchestrated by DNA, consciousness cannot exist. There are no spirits, no angels, no gods or goddesses, no gnomes, no fairies, no ancestors. If they 'exist', they do so within the human (=chemical) imagination, not outside of it.

 

[zezt]

A VERY VERY (extremely) important crucial part of this manipulation/myth you must closely study and understand in all of this oppression is the History of Psychiatry. And you will see the thread of it!! How it is been made for us to believe of ourselves that we are nothing but chemcial reactions without soul.

I'm quite aware of the anti-psychiatry movement and I support their views. But at the same time I also believe that we are in fact the sum total of chemical reactions and their concommitant electrical signals in our nervous system. I don't believe in a soul anymore, nor do I think one needs to believe in a soul to be a good psychotherapist or healer. I believed in the soul concept for about 15 years, but recently gave it up. All I am is this body in the here and now, conditioned and programmed by my past and present. When I'm dead, I will cease to be. I won't be punished for my sins or rewarded for my good deeds. Death is the end of a process, a chemical process. Without chemistry and electrical signals, set up and orchestrated by DNA, consciousness cannot exist. There are no spirits, no angels, no gods or goddesses, no gnomes, no fairies, no ancestors. If they 'exist', they do so within the human (=chemical) imagination, not outside of it.

You MUST (I dont mean this as an order) see this video (series), because dude, uyou will see that your view is shared by some of the most evil soul-dead individuals that have ever lived!!

Look CaduceusMercurius, there is no proof for what you believe, and I suspect--though of course I dont know you--because of my interest in the ways of humans 8) , including meself, that the myth you cling to may BE clung to because you do not like the idea of post mortem judgments, and all the shite that has been pushed us via so-called religion over the centuries.
Thuis it may seem much more comforting to assume that we ARE just accidental chemical-electrical entities that can just live and die and not have any sense of continuity with their actions on this earth.

What is MEANT BY 'soul'? That is a good question. I mean we know that there exists much theological discourse about this, and there is a history OF this term, and how its meaning got changed by patriarchal dualism.
But if you just asked that question without books etc what you say?

For me soul means feeling. For example all the music, and dance, and other creative forms of expression HAS to have soul. It has to have feeling, and this feeling communicates when it has soul

When I look at the soul-dead eyes and faces of the players in that documentary about psychiatric history I linked to you, I see just that, soul-death. I see people who have lost feeling, empathy, compassion. And are lost in some vile mechanical intellectual rationalist wasteland in their heads. So when they look at trees, clouds, animals, children, others etc they just see what they ARE themselves, soul-deadness!!

Also remember that this very ideology/theory/MYTH of us having no soul is connived. It is connived for a soul-dead evil industry, the pharmacracy (Szasz).
In order to tell you--backed up by a completely pseudo 'medical science'--that you are merely a chemical machine that needs their authoritative intevention of 'Treatment', drugs, ECT, and other forms, plus spiel from highly paid players in this myth for the 'cure'.

Now looking at this from another perspective. When youclaim that there 'aren't 'angels' and 'demons' and 'fairies' and 'UFOs' and 'ghosts' and 'NDEs' and 'OBEs' etc etc, how do you KNOW CM? You simply cannot know this! This is complete mystery. Consciousness is a mystery!

But I tell you this, your pseudo-certainty is shared by two huge institutions of civilized culture, Religion & Science. The former demonizes the daimonic realm, and the latter ridicules/explains away/dismisses, AND pathologizes it. So see what I am pointing at? BOTH these belief systems--supposedly at odds with each other, both refuse this dimension of experience. Whereas indigenous cultures did/do understand this dimension of reality and hold it as sacred. Which it is.

I am saddened that people who are experienced with psychedelics fall into the wasteland of explaining away soul as devised by the very oppressive forces responsible for the prohibition of entheogens.

Bear in mind that when Descartes 'scientifically proved' that animals had no souls was when animal vivisection (torture of animals-'as-machines') became scientifically justified, and continues to this day in vast numbers!

PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO?

 

[Meduzz]

Why is pseudo-certainty a bad thing? A good scientist acknowledges his axioms and uncertainty. They know there is much more we don't know than that we do know.

+ If you claim you can never be certain about anything, pseudo-certainty would be as good as it gets.

Why do you dismiss science as something empty when you're constantly whining over proving things from observation? Because that's what science is you know.

 

[Icelus]

Zezt: You know this video is made (as far as i know) by members of the scientology church?

There are a lot of things going wrong in psychiatry.. but the anti-psychiatry movement is the other extreme. I like the middle way.

I'll watch this video when i have more free time (a few weeks)..

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I get the feeling you want to push me into a category. I don't care whether portions of my world view are shared by psychiatrists, religionists or scientists.

I will watch the video series, because I'm interested.

When I talk about a soul, it's specifically this: an eternal being, that expresses itself through different bodies in a chronological fashion, which we call reïncarnation, and is subject to the reactions of its choices and actions (karma) because of inappropriate use of its free will. Or: the same idea, minus reïncarnation (the current Christian and Muslim notions of the soul).

I used to believe all of that, and could explain it to others.

Through psychedelic and other types of experiences however, as well as my deep interest in astrology and psychology, I realized there is no free will, only the subjective control of certain muscles in the body. I cannot convince you that there is no free will, you'll have to find out for yourself.

Since there is no free will, there can also be no sinful acts, and thus no punishment or bad karma. Yep, I don't believe I will be punished for my wrongdoings, nor anyone else. In fact, I don't think people like George Bush, Dick Cheney or any other criminal will ever be punished, whether by karma in this life or by some type of Judgement after death. Life ceases when the body dies.

Likewise you won't get rewarded for pious actions, except through the everyday bliss of being a pious person (you'll have nicer friends and thus live a happier life than say the members of the Bush family).

Similarly I don't believe meat eaters will be punished for the suffering they impose on other living entities. Why would the universe punish itself? It's silly. Punishment is a thing man has invented. Human beings have created corporal punishment and imprisonment. There is no transcendantal counterpart to it.

that the myth you cling to may BE clung to because you do not like the idea of post mortem judgments

Why wouldn't I like the idea of such judgments? I've lived an extremely pious life, helping thousands of people improve their health and attaining higher levels of consciousness. If I'm going to be judged, my guess is I will be rewarded. So no, that is not a factor at all.

Now looking at this from another perspective. When youclaim that there 'aren't 'angels' and 'demons' and 'fairies' and 'UFOs' and 'ghosts' and 'NDEs' and 'OBEs' etc etc, how do you KNOW CM? You simply cannot know this!

So what?! Can you prove there ARE angels and demons? Can you prove that an individual eternal soul moves from one body to the next? Can you prove that there's going to be a postmortem judgment?

Listen, it was not my intention to arrive at these conclusions. Whatever I'm saying was somehow revealed to me, directly or indirectly.

You've been a devotee of Krishna for a while, right? I was a very enthusiastic and learned devotee. I knew the philosophy very well, and from my second year on I started experiencing the symptoms of ecstasy: hair standing on end, tears flowing from the eyes, faltering of the voice etc. First only during bhajans, then also during japa. And I mean on a daily basis. Very weird. But this much is clear: I didn't abandon the Hare Krishna religion because it didn't make me blissful. I abandoned it because after a while I started questioning certain aspects of the cultural and philosophical framework, and pretty soon it all collapsed. I went through a crisis, but felt that finding out the truth was more important than enjoying the bliss of devotion.

Not one, but at least four Vedic astrologers said (between 1996 and 1998) that I would be a lifelong devotee of Krishna. Now that I'm an astrologer myself I understand why they said that (very strong 9th house), but the interesting thing is that during the period of enlightenment they all predicted, I gave up that religion and gradually became a psychedelic atheist. According to one astrologer in particular I should be enlightened now, and taking to the order of sannyasa, just like Sri Caitanya did during his Moon dasha. I somehow have many things in common with Caitanya (Venus in the 9th house and 9th house lord exalted, 12th lord Moon in the first house aspected by Mars and Saturn). Funny that I'm just Caduceus Mercurius instead.

 

[GOD]

I His Lowness Saint Pope GOD the 1st hierby open ................ THE INQUISITION


Z-E-S-T are you one of..........THEM !!!!!!!!

 

[GOD]

So now you have told us what your definition of soul is and that you dont believe such a soul exists . Maybe your definition was wrong .