Trying ayahuasca alone?

[Thinker]

Has anyone ever done this? -Tried ayahuasca without a guide/shaman present just maybe some friends?

I very much want to experience Ayahuasca but do not know anyone who has even heard of it let alone tried it. I also do not have the money to go to the jungle to experience it, so my only option would be to do it alone but I fear that may be very stupid.

 

[user_1919]

I have never done it alone, but I have friends who have used an Ayahuasca without the presence of a shaman. I had to oppourunity to do it, but said no, because my dad and uncles have told me to wait to experience it with the presence of a shaman. The shamans chants bring you to another place, and without those chants, it is most likly a whole different experience. I would suggest just wait till your time comes, and it will. Also I know there are some places, private places in and around the world that do offer Ayahuasca sessions with the presence of a shaman, that is not in the Rainforest. So maybe keep an eye out for one of those.

 

[Forkbender]

It is about a 100 times less intense/interesting without a shaman. Ayahuasca is so powerful, I always recommend a shaman who can help you structure your experience.

 

[Thinker]

Thanks, I guess I'll just have to wait for it to come to me...

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I've done it twice. I had wonderful experiences both times. I can't compare it with doing it in the presence of a shaman though, since I have not tried that yet.

Many do both: they will drink ayahuasca at home or in a local religious center on a weekly or monthly basis, and make a trip to the Amazon only once a year, or once every five years. I don't have money for such trips, so I have decided to use ayahuasca by myself, at home. I do a lot of humming during such Divine Moments of Truth.

 

[????????]

I guess the shaman really breaks the mundane and brings a feeling of ritual to all

 

[Thinker]

I've done it twice. I had wonderful experiences both times. I can't compare it with doing it in the presence of a shaman though, since I have not tried that yet.

Many do both: they will drink ayahuasca at home or in a local religious center on a weekly or monthly basis, and make a trip to the Amazon only once a year, or once every five years. I don't have money for such trips, so I have decided to use ayahuasca by myself, at home. I do a lot of humming during such Divine Moments of Truth.

So when you took aya at home were you alone?

I was given the impression that the trip is too intense to experience alone, that you could get lost in a bad/scary mindset and not be able to guide yourself out. Unless your experienced with the drug...

If you were alone could you give me some info on how you prepared yourself and what if anything you did to keep yourself on "the right track"?

 

[Sloe1427]

Too true. The first time I tried Huasca I did it alone, but without a couple decades of psychadellic experience w/ acid, shrooms, and the more psychadellic inhalents. I would've been pretty lost and maybe locked up if I didn't have a pretty clear understanding of what I could expect... It would've been much more interesting if it was with someone experienced enough to bring it to a higher level...

 

[GOD]

I`ve never done it with a "shaman" , i`ve done it loads of times just with friends , with friends in an organised ceremony with an experienced leader , with a women + SEX , and on my own . I`ve been to old and new Daime ceremonys and taken part in Uniao do vegetal ceremonys .

"I was given the impression that the trip is too intense to experience alone, that you could get lost in a bad/scary mindset and not be able to guide yourself out."

The dificultys that you have been told about can be the same with all hallucinogens . If you can do large doses of Psilocybe mushrooms ( = 5g dry P.Semilanceata or 10 grams dry P.Cubensis ) or real LSD you should be OK with Ayahuasca / analogs .

"It would've been much more interesting if it was with someone experienced enough to bring it to a higher level..."

I`m more experienced in being me , in being me and having trips than anyone else is . I get to the level i get to , i can get me higher than anyone else . But its intertesting doing both = taking myself there or getting there with others ....... NOBODY sends or guides me , i dont need a "shaman" , weather the 1 in a million real shaman or the 999,999 from a million money baba "shaman" ,.....................or a teddy bear .

A sitter can be good if you are new to it . In the end a trip is a trip , dont worry about it , be sincere and laugh at everything that happens . If it gets dificult change what you are doing , go to another room , get in / out of bed , go for a walk , pray / sing , have a bath , talk to trees / friends / the TV , ask someone to hold your hand for a bit . You should tell yourself that you are realy OK , that you are just a bit frightened or confused . That you have taken a sacrement and tha you will come down in 2 - 3 hours and that it can not harm you .If that doesnt work take 10 mgs of valium wich you can follow up with another 10 mgs 20 - 30 minutes later .

 

[user_1919]

I was given the impression that the trip is too intense to experience alone, that you could get lost in a bad/scary mindset and not be able to guide yourself out. Unless your experienced with the drug...

I have no experience with Ayahuasca, but my father, uncles, and soon to be mother, will all have experienced Ayahuasca with the presence of a Shaman. I don't think it is that it is to intense to handle, rather it is where the Shaman can bring you, in comparision to where you are brought alone. When taking a voyage with a Shaman, the Shaman will chant, and the chants come from the 'Spirit of Ayahuasca', so it profoundly affects everyones experience. Since I don't have any experience I can't really tell you which one is better, but from what I have heard, without a Shaman is not even considered a true Ayahuasca experience. You have the experience because of the change in brain chemistry, but from what I have heard, it is much more profound and different with the presence of a Shaman.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Rymmen]

Pfft. Let's play glitch while on the aya and see what happens.

 

[GOD]

There are very , very few real curanderos who follow and were trained in an authentic Ayahuasca tradition . The great majority of "shaman" are sharlatans and their worshipers guilable tourist , hippy sheep that need teddy bears , fancy dress , carneval and pantomime . Most of the people who talk pseudo insider , tourist , hippy , fashion shit have been to and paid $$$$ for being milked by a fantasy "shaman" .

"I do a lot of humming during such Divine Moments of Truth."

Yup , me to .

Why should i need second hand , warmed up "icaros" from yesterday ? It can be nice but its not a must . Do you still need someone to tell you a story in bed at night so you can have nice dreams . We dont want to fall into the blind , elitist trap that organised religeons have fallen into . We need no hyerarchies , leaders and dogma . We are our own shaman .

"I guess the shaman really breaks the mundane and brings a feeling of ritual to all "

Yes . This is what a leader , guide , shaman , curandero does . He is a focal point , its like everyone is sitting in a car and one person is an experienced driver and knows the root and takes responsibility for the group . He doesnt go , know or see anything that you cant / dont , hes just experienced it before so he knows what to do in diferent situations .

"Unless your experienced with the drug... "

There is a lot of elitist ego shit in the scenes around things like Ayahuasca . I`m in with the insiders shit . I have done , can get , something that you cant . This goes up into the highest ranks of all these churches , but if you read about what the leaders and founders said you will see that they dont believe in all the hokus pokus or i can see something that you cant , i must be cool shit .

"to keep yourself on "the right track"?"

Empty your mind , meditate , sing , hum , repeat mantras . My favorite mantra is " Love , light and healing " . Empty your mind and sing it , hum it and let no other thoughts into your mind . Let it echo and resonate throughout your whole being .

"rather it is where the Shaman can bring you, in comparision to where you are brought alone."

Maybe for a beginner . Guided tours of Amsterdam can be interesting but when you get a bit of experience it can become realy boring .

"but from what I have heard, without a Shaman is not even considered a true Ayahuasca experience"

Hey wow !!!! Only ultra rich snobs have real Ayahuasca experiences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No offence ment .

Its the same as anything , you have to suck it and see , get it down your neck ...................and hold onto something ?!?!?!?!

 

[user_1919]

No offence ment .

None taken.

Maybe for a beginner . Guided tours of Amsterdam can be interesting but when you get a bit of experience it can become realy boring .

Well I am a beginner to the use of Ayahuasca. I am just taking into account what I have been taught, and it seems to make sence what I am being told. I have no experience with the brew, so I can't agrue anything. I am netural for both sides, but still prefer to have my first Ayahuasca experience with a Shaman, because it is what my Dad and Uncles say is so vital. I love them a lot, so I am going to trust their judgement to what is best for me.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[GOD]

I wasnt realy arguing against you , i was just trying to demystify things . You are VERY lucky to be in the situation that you are in with a warm , loving family . I do think that if someone is a begginer its very good to do it with more experienced people . As i said a guided tour of Amsterdam can be realy good but after a while its good to go and explore alone .

I dont think that our friend Thinker has acsess to a guide or experienced people , so sometime hes going to have to take his bootlaces in his hand and jump .

 

[Thinker]

The dificultys that you have been told about can be the same with all hallucinogens . If you can do large doses of Psilocybe mushrooms ( = 5g dry P.Semilanceata or 10 grams dry P.Cubensis ) or real LSD you should be OK with Ayahuasca / analogs .

I dont think that our friend Thinker has acsess to a guide or experienced people , so sometime hes going to have to take his bootlaces in his hand and jump .

True, I do not have access to a guide/experienced people. I have never felt "lost" on a hallucinogen, I have been scared before but never what I would describe as lost... although I have not had any real high doses and I've not tried LSD.

I think I am going to "take my bootlaces in hand" and take a higher dose of shrooms when they are harvested. (as long as my friend doesn't fuck up!) and based on that possibly move onto aya. And I have never heard that bootlaces phrase before, where are you from?

 

[GOD]

And i thought that you must be English , thats why i used the phrase ?????.Maybe its a generation thing ??? But anyway i think you sound like a sensible person , doing a bigger dose of mushrooms to try to ready yourself for Ayahuasca is a good idea .

"I have been scared before"

Thats natural , Some people have problems because they wont admit that they are scared . Fear is a very important emotion , without it we wouldnt have advanced (???) as far as we have as a race . EVERYBODY gets into a position where they dont feel 100% wonderfull on a trip sometimes . If they havent yet they are going to . The thing is not to take it serîously and to try to keep conscious of what you have done and why . You have to learn not to identify yourself with the bits you dont feel comfortable with , dont indulge in them , not to get into self validating loop/feed back spirals , or start to worry about your own fear = paranoia . Its all the trip , its not you and in at the most in 2 hours everything will become more managable .

Another thing is that you can feel your way forwards with Ayahuasca = 3 g. of P.Harmala and 25 grams of P.Viridis is not going to beam you into another universe . Thats the start dose , to get realy "there" you will need at least 35 g of P.Viridis . I found it very dosable , you can take some , wait till you know you have come up fully and then take some more , and more , and more .

Personaly i think that every drug has been given its mythos , peopel say that this drug does that and another does another thing , so thats what they get . Its mostly physical and mental set and setting = to a certain extent you get what you are waiting for . I have always learnt that when people are given hallucinogens and they are not told what it is that they cant tell the difference .

Where are YOU from ???? Do you know brumijum ???

 

[HeartCore]

Has anyone ever done this? -Tried ayahuasca without a guide/shaman present just maybe some friends?

I very much want to experience Ayahuasca but do not know anyone who has even heard of it let alone tried it. I also do not have the money to go to the jungle to experience it, so my only option would be to do it alone but I fear that may be very stupid.

I did it alone and had a great experience. Key, I guess, is the question how experienced you are with entheogens. If you had full psilly journeys (+ 5grams dried) by yourself, you will live through Aya as well in my opinion

 

[Thinker]

And i thought that you must be English , thats why i used the phrase ?????.Maybe its a generation thing ??? But anyway i think you sound like a sensible person , doing a bigger dose of mushrooms to try to ready yourself for Ayahuasca is a good idea .

"I have been scared before"

Thats natural , Some people have problems because they wont admit that they are scared . Fear is a very important emotion , without it we wouldnt have advanced (???) as far as we have as a race . EVERYBODY gets into a position where they dont feel 100% wonderfull on a trip sometimes . If they havent yet they are going to . The thing is not to take it serîously and to try to keep conscious of what you have done and why . You have to learn not to identify yourself with the bits you dont feel comfortable with , dont indulge in them , not to get into self validating loop/feed back spirals , or start to worry about your own fear = paranoia . Its all the trip , its not you and in at the most in 2 hours everything will become more managable .

Another thing is that you can feel your way forwards with Ayahuasca = 3 g. of P.Harmala and 25 grams of P.Viridis is not going to beam you into another universe . Thats the start dose , to get realy "there" you will need at least 35 g of P.Viridis . I found it very dosable , you can take some , wait till you know you have come up fully and then take some more , and more , and more .

Personaly i think that every drug has been given its mythos , peopel say that this drug does that and another does another thing , so thats what they get . Its mostly physical and mental set and setting = to a certain extent you get what you are waiting for . I have always learnt that when people are given hallucinogens and they are not told what it is that they cant tell the difference .

Where are YOU from ???? Do you know brumijum ???

Thanks for the advice.

I am British and was born in Manchester but I grew up in the Middle east, in a little known country called Oman. I only just moved back to the UK 10 months ago for uni, so I am still getting used to this place. And the god dam cold weather!

As for brumijum, I have no idea what that means! By any chance is it a nickname for Birmingham? - I have a friend at uni there so I visit every few months.

 

[GOD]

Salam o alikum . Manchester is a nice place , so are the people .

OK so you got Brumijum . It means Birmingham junktion in rail workers slang . Before the 80s most trains had to go through Birmingham junction to get to and from London . So now you got that what about Sabrina ???

Oman = khat and those curved daggers every man has ???

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

So when you took aya at home were you alone?

The very first time I was alone, but the brew wasn't strong enough.
The second time I was in the house of my ex, but basically going through it alone, in a separate room. It was an overwhelmingly ecstatic experience.
The third time I was by myself, and it was very nice.
The fourth time I was by myself but the brew wasn't strong enough.

I would love to drink ayahuasca in the presence of a shaman and other experienced users, but I'm quite satisfied doing psychedelics alone, for that is the reality of my daily life. I could visit a shaman during holidays, but such opportunities are extremely rare and I do not wish to wait for them. Let's not forget about that kerosine as well.

I really feel like being a complete heretic here and stating: you don't need a shaman. You simply need the right recipe, good company and a quiet place.