Tobacco- the underestimated Drug

[BrainEater]

tobacco is a double rip-off from the governments seen financially. at first they get tons of tax-money from the tobacco and the consumer who brings all this money to the government dies early, so the state doesn't have to bother about any other expenses on this individual. sounds kind of nasty, but it's reality and i suppose mostly the ideas of the government result from statistics and the corresponding necessary actions that need to be taken. so the oh so important individual wasn't even considered in the plans of the government, only it's impact on statistics is being considered and well.... that wouldn't be too bad at all, if it would not be for the self-righteous-bastard-policy of governments and the underlying stupidty concerning the actual truth and not their self-righteous-bastard-truth.


i think i could rant about governments forever more...

 

[tryptonaut]

Someone mentioned smoking tobacco in a bong. That is like fucking crack! It made me a hopeless nicotine addict. At some point in my life I wouldn't smoke cigarettes anymore, in between the bong hits with weed and tobacco I was smoking pure tobacco from the bong (and with "pure" I mean ripped right from a cigarette...)

Kids don't do it! I know it hits you real good - but only for a split second. It really is comparable to smoking crack (only with less devastating effects on your life directly, but with about the same addiction potential!)

 

[Psychoid]

Nicotine is the worst drug. I hate smoking tobacco, I hate everything about it, the taste, the effect (makes me feel down and depressed) but I'm having a hard time quitting it...

It has to be pretty addictive to make you addicted to something you hate...

I'm trying to quit for the third time! It's now day 3!

 

[psm]

the worst part about it all is, that now it's another control mechanism of governments. after supporting the tobacco-industry for ages, now they turn around, act like they were not involved and start to outlaw an addiction, they helped to create.
and again they manipulate and brainwash the public. this time, with the opposite extreme.

 

[restin]

Dudes,you want tolerance of the public about your drugs and then attack someone using his? If you want tolerance, show it, too. This is only fair.

Someone mentioned smoking tobacco in a bong. That is like fucking crack! It made me a hopeless nicotine addict. At some point in my life I wouldn't smoke cigarettes anymore, in between the bong hits with weed and tobacco I was smoking pure tobacco from the bong (and with "pure" I mean ripped right from a cigarette...)

I mentioned it, I did it. I never smoked crack but your comparison sounds interesting. is it really similar?

I am sorry for you that it made you an addict...I also ripped right from the cigarette. I also quit cigarettes after beginning with bongs. But after a while, I quit, because, though it was pleasant, it really scared me, how it affects my body...Also, I began having weed at home regularly, so this problem was solved...

Did you stop now?

tobacco is a double rip-off from the governments seen financially. at first they get tons of tax-money from the tobacco and the consumer who brings all this money to the government dies early, so the state doesn't have to bother about any other expenses on this individual.

yeah. People are getting older, so they need to e forced to die early

I'm trying to quit for the third time! It's now day 3!

Good luck. If you don't make it, try snus. This is tobacco, too, but it helps you getting away from smoking without getting away from nicotine and then it is easier to stop (not a general solution,may not help...)

Tobacco is not underestimated. Everyone knows or thinks he knows about the danger of tobacco.

As I wrote, I didn't mean cancer etc. I meant about the direct effect of it. You'd realize what I mean if you knew the other possibilities of "taking" it. And I also meant the underdestimation by very many kids.

 

[Psychoid]

The main problem of society concerning drugs is that 99% of people do not consider alcohol and tobacco are drugs, when they are the worst ones.

 

[restin]

yes that's true. Worst ones on what scale?

 

[Psychoid]

Deaths caused directly and indirectly, addiction, behavior problems caused by it, health problems etc...

i think people are worried to much about dying today, that they forget to live.

But when you smoke you are slowly destructing your body until the point where it makes you die... I wouldn't call it living.

You don't enjoy smoking. You enjoy punching the monkey.

 

[restin]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... stacy.html

Here's also a scale (this isn't the one I originally wanted to post but I didn't find that one.)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/4 ... h2_416.gif

(I think this is the same study)

 

[Psychoid]

the scale is bullshit. Like solvents are less dangerous than cannabis... lol. And it's not the only thing that is wrong.

 

[restin]

The study also includes social aspects. Cannabis is very sociable

Like solvents are less dangerous than cannabis...

I think there is pretty much prejudice talkin' here.

What's wrong, too?

addiction

Alcohol addiction has (mostly) something to do with social status, psychological problems etc.

I don't want to defend tobacco and alcohol (but obviously I do...) but I want to tell you that calling them the most dangerous drugs is not true.

 

[gammagoblin]

Alcohol addiction has (mostly) something to do with social status, psychological problems etc.

Doesn't all addictions have something to do with that?

 

[Psychoid]

They aren't the most dangerous in themselves, but in the actual situation they are.

[quote:1iyo67et]Like solvents are less dangerous than cannabis...

I think there is pretty much prejudice talkin' here.
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Man... are you really gonna argue that solvents are safer than cannabis? If so then you're just ignorant... Don't you know you get high off solvents mainly because of brain damage...

Are you telling me using solvents as a drug is OK and safe?

Maybe then I should quit smoking weed and start sniffing solvents... gonna be much better for both my physical and mental health.

 

[restin]

not at all. Heroin makes your body dependent. Tobacco, too.

 

[psm]

But when you smoke you are slowly destructing your body until the point where it makes you die... I wouldn't call it living.

so does aging, sunbathing, too many showers, body lotions, canned goods and many more stuff.
I don't care.
I don't worry about any of it. And it is a very conscious choice for me. there might come a time, when I will choose differently, but not now.

The funny thing is, that people use the same propaganda brainwashing shit here, to convince others what a bad choice they mad. in a forum, where no one would give a fuck, if I would write about how cool heroin is. that's just hypocrite. Let people make their own choices. give advices, share experiences, but don't try to act like your parents did. that's just sad, and funny, and sad and funny and ...



Really guys, there is no need to compare cigs (or alcohol) to any other drug. the worst drug is religion(or any other ideological justified bullshit) and it kills more then anything else. next on the list of killer drugs is money.

and the reason why so many die from cigs and alcohol is, because the amount of people using it is incredible huge. if there were that many that would use meth, heroin, dmt, (insert any hard drug), the number would be large enough too.

yes, smoking can cause vascular diseases, cancer, heighten heart defects and what not. but most of us life in an area, where smog is constantly high, the next atomic power plant is not further then a hundred mile, where social discrepancies are so strong, that you wonder, why war did not start yet. we drink and eat the most unhealthy shit and it does not fucking matter if you are vegan or "all organic". On top are the megacorps, politicians we never voted for and we are further away from SMI²LE then in Leary times.
A walk can kill you. Staying home can too.

Its all bullshit. what is the worst thing that can happen? you die! so what? cosmically it does not matter diddly shit. and for yourself? sure it matters. but what matters more is not your death, but how you chose to live your life. and I for one don't mind a couple of years less. I have no obligations, no kids, nobody I am necessary to. what am I going to do with 60/70? wait? slowly die of boredom? nah! I live now and enjoy doing so. and one of my joys is to sip a big mug of earl grey and light a selfrolled little blunt. usually with tobbaco in it, sometimes with other shit.

thank you.

 

[GOD]

I think tolerance is a crime . I dont tolerate it if some smelly asocial junky poisons me with his adiction . I dont tolerate him smoking at all = it has nothing to do with me if he wants to stink and kill himself , he can do what he wants if he doesnt hurt other people . Thats not tolerance its live and let live .

The study quoted is not scientific and doesnt represent the harm / damage potential of drugs . It talks about the social harm / damage and a big proportion of that comes from some drugs illegality and the social stigma asociated with them .

 

[gammagoblin]

not at all. Heroin makes your body dependent. Tobacco, too.

Alcohol does that just as well, here you can read more about it.

 

[restin]

if you drink all the time...If you watch TV the whole day and once you d't you also have withdrawal stuff ( )

Just look at how many people drink and are not addicted and how many smoke and are addicted.

The study quoted is not scientific

Accusation based on what?

 

[GOD]

The fact that they used the social consequencys of the drug as a criteria . The harm from some of them comes from their illegality and the social stigma , not the drug . Heroin adiction for example is harmless .

 

[gammagoblin]

if you drink all the time...If you watch TV the whole day and once you d't you also have withdrawal stuff ( )

Just look at how many people drink and are not addicted and how many smoke and are addicted.

The study quoted is not scientific

Accusation based on what?

Believe it or not, but there are people who smoke and aren't addicted, just as there are cocaine and heroine users who aren't addicted. So it all comes down to one's own strength to withstand the attractiveness of the drug. And how good you are with that depends largely on psychological issues I believe, because they can make you feel uncertain and wanting to escape. So you see, alcohol addiction is just the same as any other drug addiction.