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Tobacco- the underestimated Drug

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Hi there,
I just wanted to have someone to talk to about something I wanted to talk about for a long time...

There are two points I want to talk about.

I started to smoke about half a year ago...I felt quite depressed and so I smoked bout 1-2 cigarettes a day. After ca. 2 month I quit because I didn´t like it any more...it was easy to quit because it never really entered my daily life. Maybe another aspect was also that I smoked camel, they aren´t very pleasant I think.

After ca. a month after I quit, I was on a party and I just wanted something to smoke, so I asked a friend for a cigarette. And what really shocked me (actually only afterwards as I was quite drunk there) was that I had the feeling of smoking a peppermint stem! It had no similarities to tobacco itself. It was a brand that is quite popular here for young people (winston).

I am really shocked how the industry makes cigarettes attractive to small children without any guilt! They stuff menthol into the cigarette so it is easier to smoke...and this happens while the whole community is waging wars on weed...

This is the first point.

The second point is, how easily people use tobacco. On one hand it is easy to understand- a cigarette doesn´t make you high, you feel calmer or even don´t feel any effect (only when you are already addicted to nicotine, you feel that something has been taken away from you and a cigarette is something pleasant then).

A lot of people underestimate tobacco completely. I am not talking about lung cancer. I mean, basically this is the process of smoking. I am talking about nicotine itself.

Recently, I bought a bong and to learn how to use it and as I didn´t have any weed at home by then, I started smoking tobacco in it. When smoking tobacco in a bong, the effect is completely different than from a cigarette. You feel the nicotine flowing through your blood and paralyzing your arms and legs. You have to lie down because your spine can´t hold your head any more. It is like passing away, like a blackout.

These experiences with the bong really taught be about tobacco. It is a really dangerous drug and not to be underestimated. It is not a trippy, teaching drug, where passing away can teach you about the universe and yourself.

There are also other consumations of tobacco as snuff or snus. They are weaker than cigarettes but still quite interesting and scaring.

So, thank you for reading, I just wanted to get this off my heart ;)
 
I agree when you are talking about cigarettes. A friend of mine and I were recently discussing differences between good cigars and cigarettes, and the friend so eloquently put it: "cigarettes are designed for addicts.".. typically just full of additives and crap.

Tobacco has a long history of ritual use though. If you use the real deal and on a very limited basis, it has a very different effect than smoking a couple cigarettes. Even cigar smoking (where you don't inhale) induces to my mind an incredibly different high than a cigarette, quite reminiscent of a bong hit.

The stance of many native communities is that cigarette use is basically an abuse of the plant.

Algonquin indian site re tobacco use:

http://www.ayn.ca/quit/en/c3_1_spiritual_use.asp
 
Tobaco is tobaco .
 
And ???

Tobaco is tobaco and its a killer . It contains nicotin and radioactivity and causes lung damage . Arguing that one sort of consumption is better than another is stupid . Both are deadly .
 
Filter cigarettes aren't tobacco, they are drug coctails.
And nicotine is poisonous (like everything) but doesn't cause cancer.

Ritual use was done with another strain of tobacco that contains more nicotine so less material has to be smoked. It's also non-radioactive. About as harmful as pure cannabis on the lungs.
 
Smoking anything is unhealthy.

But there is a huge difference in terms of health between occasional ritual use of decent tobacco, and smoking a pack of mass-produced crap per day.

People who have become heavily addicted to tobacco have completely ruined the effects of it for themselves completely, probably forever. No matter how long they quit for.

Also as to the OP I'm really not a fan of mixing tobacco and weed and still don't understand why people do. The OP is correct, that totally breeds an addiction in itself.
 
The site seems to be having a strangely psychotic day today .

Dead is dead . Smoking tobaco is physicaly adictive and causes severe problems . Or are you argueing against science? And are you saying that cannabis is as dangerous as tobaco ? If you are that means you havent been reading a lot of threads here wich contained proof on both subjects .


Maybe we should all go and wash ourselves and wash the days infection off before we have majour out break of argumentitis .
 
Smoking anything is unhealthy.

I agree. And You can´t say a drug is bad because it is unhealthy. Smoking weed is unhealthy, too. Nevertheless, the industry-tobacco is only produced to make money and does not bring any benefit to the smoker. There may be rituals with tobacco, I really believe you but these rituals have nothing to do with tobacco in our culture.
 
On a relative damage scale from pure air to xyclone x where does cannabis come and where does tobaco come : the difference between one tobaco sort and another is the same as the difference between aids and ebola .

Or is it that some of us are tobaco wankers trying to justify their adictions ?
 
peace, GOD. I just wanted to underline the mental effects of tobacco and not only the effects on the body. I don´t see anyone defending tobacco and I don´t believe that anyone here is a chain-smoker...
 
restin a dit:
I don´t believe that anyone here is a chain-smoker...

I think you would be in for a surprise then. (Not me though).

Brugmansia had a nice post about the spiritual use of tabacco lately, but it was in Dutch, perhaps he'll be willing to repost here...
 
most people are also addicted to the chemicals that the big brands like marlboro put into the cigarettes like all the flavour stuff....


of course if used daily, tobacco needs to be seens the same way weed needs to be seen if used daily. i am speaking of the tolerance and the body adapting to substances that "he" (the body) can expect to consume on a regular basis.


peace.
 
BrainEater a dit:
most people are also addicted to the chemicals that the big brands like marlboro put into the cigarettes like all the flavour stuff....

I don't know if it is the chemicals, or a cultural thing, but you can see the difference in the way people smoke cigarettes too. Give a cigarette smoker a nice Montecristo or another cuban and often they will inhale it. Because they want to get a quick high asap. Then back to the cigarettes again.

of course if used daily, tobacco needs to be seens the same way weed needs to be seen if used daily. i am speaking of the tolerance and the body adapting to substances that "he" (the body) can expect to consume on a regular basis.

Also the thing about tobacco unlike weed is that it is more than just tolerance, or even psychological addiction, it's physical. With repeat usage, once addicted, instead of a clear, lucid 10-15 minutes of thought you just feel a bit of relief for a couple minutes then kind of groggy. Bleh!!
 
Why should anyone light a cigare and not inhale the smoke ???
 
^To look cool. Duh. :roll:
 
GOD a dit:
Why should anyone light a cigare and not inhale the smoke ???

posing???

st.bot.32 a dit:
Also the thing about tobacco unlike weed is that it is more than just tolerance, or even psychological addiction, it's physical. With repeat usage, once addicted, instead of a clear, lucid 10-15 minutes of thought you just feel a bit of relief for a couple minutes then kind of groggy. Bleh!!


yes, but also the effect of tobacco is good for the mind, which would be the obvious-counter-conclusion. i agree ... sometimes i felt myself being extremely clear-headed after having an intake of nicotine.


peace.
 
I always felt real clear in the head after a fix of heroin .
 
and not inhale the smoke?

Uhh, cuz that's not how you smoke a cigar.. :lol: Smoking a cigar is sort of like drinking from a straw. You don't use the lungs at all. the idea is to fill your mouth with the smoke and the taste. (Not saying it is better for you than a cigarette.. but if you do inhale a cigar you will probably just feel ill after a couple breaths.)

You still feel the nicotine. It probably absorbs through the mouth, or whatever smoke still gets into your lungs. It comes on slower and lasts far, far longer than a cigarette, especially if you are an infrequent, occasional smoker. This is completely unlike the instant gratification and exhaustingly rickety dopamine rush of cigarettes. It is a slow, gradual, climb. The last time I had a really nice romeo y julieta a few months ago, it felt almost like I had smoked a bowl. Even music sounded clearer and wider.

I guess I'm kind of spoiled rotten here too, I can get really nice cuban cigars everywhere in this town. When I've gone across the border the more ubiquitous cigars there are basically just big, repackaged cigarettes. No comparison.
 
Why dont they just lick them if they only smoke / not smoke / pretend to smoke / pose for the taste instead , it would be much cheaper , they wouldnt stink like an ash tray and the whole area wouldnt either . Just watch someone "smoking" a cigar and tell me they arent posing .

I`m sure if someone said one looks cool if one "smokes" dog shit lots of people would do it .
 
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