Self transforming machine elves??

[GOD]

If one doesnt get catapulted into another dimension it didnt do anything exept make a person feel a little strange and / or placebo effects . Salvia is either 100% or 0% B-A-N-G .

 

[skoeip]

dude don't be so black and white it did something alright but if you think you know better what I felt and experienced

 

[GOD]

You described what it did to you and i didnt say anything more or less = It made you feel a little strange plus placebo effects ? I am not black and white about it the effects are . Either it blows you away or makes you feel a little strange mixed with placebo effects . There is nothing in between .


I edited a spelling mistake .

 

[significationof?!?]

Hey, since tolerance seems to decrease with use, could one attain the mind-blowingness of smoked salvia after enough time using quids/tinctures? I mainly wonder if the Mazatecs ever saw the full power of their visonary plant... Not that the sublingual method is not enough for an entheogenic use, it might even be more so that what comes out of smoking salvia.

 

[Synith]

I really have no evidence on this, but here's my take. I believe that Salvia allows you to dream while you're awake. Yes, there are some other effects tied on to that (Spinning tunnels, etc) but its basic structure is very very similar to the 'dream world' or the state of mind you have when you're in REM sleep. I think Salvia activates this glad in your brain and allows you to dream and comprehend. Most people forget their dreams when they wake. On Salvia, you remember.

Memory is also a factor. I've relived moments of my childhood, which vary very differently than the memories that come up on other psychedelics. It's fascinating.

As for 'GOD's' comment on the clapping woman with three breasts, I met a woman last night (On Salvia, mind you) whi had breasts which hung off of her arms. There were about three of them on each arm and she was waving to me. It was the most bizarre thing I've seen. I've had many interesting journeys on Salvia, but this one makes me think: 'what the hell?'

As for your robotic elf thing, it was likely a nightmare of yours as a child, or a combination of several elements. One being a dream, the other being a memory from something and the third: the unknown and random.

Salvia's a wonderful and strange herb.

 

[Psychedelic_Sprinkle]

lol, yeah perhaps. i dont really know. but that was def. the most ridiculous salvia trip i've had. all the other times ive done it, i always trip about people, people in my life and/or people i dont even know. the elf trip really scared me though..it was sooooo creep-ily familiar...

 

[Synith]

'the elf trip really scared me though..it was sooooo creep-ily familiar..'

Maybe you were some sort of robotic elf in the last life. Or maybe you'll be one in the future. Who knows.

I've two theories: one, Salvia unlocks the mind so you dream while you're awake (I think I explained this)

And two: It catapults your spirit into a different dimension unknown to man. Or perhaps something bigger than a dimension. I've further thoughts on that-- but it'd take a while to explain.

This theory can be applied to any psychedelic though. Maybe there's an endless number of dimensions we're able to travel to by the aid of chemicals. Fascinating when you think about it.

 

[Psychedelic_Sprinkle]

i dont know, it was like the elves were preparing me for something they were going to do to me..it was weird...yeah, i agree, i think it is something like another dimension. maybe it flings you into another being's consciousness, who knows hah. my bf and i had his friend smoke it for the first time, and he became a wall... ive read quite a few reports on people who became a completely different being, or however you want to put it, but idk it just fascinates me b/c of how completely silly and insane the trips can be..

the first time i tripped off of it, i didnt know what to expect, and it was like my 2 friends and my boyfriends heads were sitting there looking at me, but their heads were like mountains and it was like i could see layers of grass, then dirt, and so on..and this was all happening on the end of my mattress (?), anyways they were all looking at me, nodding their heads and smiling and telling me they'd been waiting for me to come to this place and they were so glad i had finally found it..it was very very weird. then every other time, its like all the people there in the trip are trying to coax me into saying something, or coming to some kind of realization..i dont know, perhaps just my twisted little mind over analyzing things? lol.

 

[Synith]

'they were all looking at me, nodding their heads and smiling and telling me they'd been waiting for me to come to this place and they were so glad i had finally found it....'

See, now that makes me wonder. I've had trips like that where creatures, or humans are appear to be happy that I had found this dimension. It's strange, really. On the first hand you have to take into account that any chemical which alters the brain would make your brain trip and your body and spirit here. But on the other hand, things like Salvia and shrooms make you wonder if you are indeed catapulted into another reality; or a reality, or universe which lives inside your head (Think about the ending of Men in Black, with the universe inside the marble.)

I had a strange trip last night. Most times I do not experience an ego death on Salvia. Mostly it's a trip where I'm aware and slightly in-control of my body. Anyhow, on coming down from the trip I noticed that I was snoring. My eyes were shut, but I could hear myself. I was telling myself 'Dude, just open your eyes' but I couldn't. It was as if I was unconscious, and yet wasn't. Maybe that's what it feels like to be in a coma. Who knows. It was all so strange, and then I woke up wondering what the hell happened and how.

 

[GOD]

What you just described is what i had every time i had a full dose of saliva wich only happened through chewing fresh leaves .

Ego death isnt just loosing contact to this world . There is an ego death sticky thread and right at the start caduceus and then Spice explain what ego death is . Both are different explenations but both are right .

 

[Synith]

' There is an ego death sticky thread'

Where is it?

 

[restin]

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php...viewtopic&t=29182&highlight=ego+death&lang=de
it ain't sticky no more.

 

[GOD]

I`m not saying that the posts from those two people are the only good bits in the thread but after i read that i stoped reading the thread as i had other things on my mind . I made the thread because there is a lot of confusion around about what ego death is and i wanted it to be cleared up .

 

[Synith]

By chance have you ever done DMT?

I ran into: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_elf yesterday. I've never had a trip like that while on DMT.

Perhaps you were re-experiencing a DMT trip on Salvia.

There's a whole bunch of entities waiting on the other side, saying "How wonderful that you're here! You come so rarely! We're so delighted to see you!"

They're like jewelled self-dribbling basketballs and there are many of them and they come pounding toward you and they will stop in front of you and vibrate, but then they do a very disconcerting thing, which is they jump into your body and then they jump back out again and the whole thing is going on in a high-speed mode where you're being presented with thousands of details per second and you can't get a hold on [them ...] and these things are saying "Don't give in to astonishment", which is exactly what you want to do. You want to go nuts with how crazy this is, and they say "Don't do that. Pay attention to what we're doing".

What they're doing is making objects with their voices, singing structures into existence. They offer things to you, saying "Look at this! Look at this!" and as your attention goes towards these objects you realise that what you're being shown is impossible. It's not simply intricate, beautiful and hard to manufacture, it's impossible to make these things. The nearest analogy would be the Fabergé eggs, but these things are like the toys that are scattered around the nursery inside a U.F.O., celestial toys, and the toys themselves appear to be somehow alive and can sing other objects into existence, so what's happening is this proliferation of elf gifts, which are moving around singing, and they are saying "Do what we are doing" and they are very insistent, and they say "Do it! Do it! Do it!" and you feel like a bubble inside your body beginning to move up toward your mouth, and when it comes out it isn't sound, it's vision. You discover that you can pump "stuff" out of your mouth by singing, and they're urging you to do this. They say "That's it! That's it! Keep doing it!".

We're now at minute 4.5 [of the trip] and you speak in a kind of glossolalia. There is a spontaneous outpouring of syntax unaccompanied by what is normally called "meaning". After a minute or so of this the whole thing begins to collapse in on itself and they begin to physically move away from you. Usually their final shot is that they wave goodbye and say "Deja vu! Deja vu!".

- Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_elf)

 

[Psychedelic_Sprinkle]

thats nuts. no, ive never done dmt, but i really really want to..i live in BFE..but i love terrence mckenna, and i have read about his experiences with the "elves". i had this elf trip probably a year and half ago, and that was before i became really interested in psychedelics and altered states of consciousness, and i had never even read anything abou the "elves" at this point in my life. but thats what really freaked me out, was reading accounts similiar to mine on dmt and salvia. the elves in my trip were even speaking another language, or a song in another language was being sung...

 

[Psychedelic_Sprinkle]

what have your experiences on DMT been like?

 

[Synith]

'I've never done DMT'

Hm, I've never had a trip like that with Salvia. Did you buy it from a shop, or some guy? If it's from a guy, it could have been mixed with something. *shrugs*

'what have your experiences on DMT been like?'

Amazing. I personally think DMT is stronger than LSD, but that's me. Some people might disagree, but as far as I'm concerned it was the most intense and gratifying experience I've ever had. It was a lot less intense than Salvia, for sure-- but that's mainly due to the fact that a DMT is more 'comfortable' compared to Sally. I've never seen elves on DMT though, but I've felt very welcomed to the universe my mind enters. As if nature itself, there is glad and happy to see me exploring it.

 

[GOD]

". I personally think DMT is stronger than LSD, but that's me. Some people might disagree, but as far as I'm concerned it was the most intense and gratifying experience I've ever had. It was a lot less intense than Salvia, for sure-- but that's mainly due to the fact that a DMT is more 'comfortable' compared to Sally. I've never seen elves on DMT though, but I've felt very welcomed to the universe my mind enters. As if nature itself, there is glad and happy to see me exploring it."

My opinion :-

Have you ever had any real LSD in a good dose ? Probably not , unless you know an LSD chemist personaly .

If you think that DMT isnt as intensive as saliva you havent had a real DMT hit either .

DMT is more "comfortable" than saliva ??? = Saliva is more uncomfortable than DMT .

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[Synith]

'Have you ever had any real LSD in a good dose ? Probably not , unless you know an LSD chemist personaly .

If you think that DMT isnt as intensive as saliva you havent had a real DMT hit either . '

It's just my opinion about the two. My LSD experience wasn't as strong as it could be, so yes-- but personally DMT was stronger than acid.

I stated that DMT is more intense than Salvia.