repeated use, repeated denial of entry?

[Psychoid]

Everytime I smoked salvia, I used 5x extract, just put a little bit (like 1/15 of a gram) in a small metal pipe, inhale strongly and let the flame on it until it all becomes white so everything is burned at a high temperature. I then kept the smoke in as long as possible (I usually don't remember letting it out).

This way I always took too much and became unconscious/didn't remember anything of what happenned.

So if you're using 20x and get no effect, you're just smoking it badly.

Just remember salvinorin needs very high temperature to vaporise in the air and the smoke takes time to absorb in the lungs, much longer than THC.

 

[magickpencil]

i'm most certainly getting effects
go back and read my posts about my previous attempts

 

[user_1919]

magickpencil; I have had the same problem before. It is most likly the Salvia you are buying. I bought Salvia from the local shop, and all I got was the weird feeling you get with Salvia, no visual or anything. I just laughed for a lot, and felt 'gravity turning to the side'.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[GOD]

I think after reading this thread most people wont try salvia because the descriptions are so negative . I think that travel sickness + amnesia is more apealing........

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I've never had any difficulty 'breaking through' with Salvia. Just fill up your bowl with a good amount, inhale slowly and keep the smoke in for as long as you can (one minute or more).

I think after reading this thread most people wont try salvia because the descriptions are so negative

Here are some positive aspects, according to Michael Hoffman from egodeath.com:

Religious Effects of Salvia divinorum

Salvia divinorum is an ergonomic means of religious revelation and transformative, initiatory mental-model regeneration. Salvia produces fewer bodily effects than LSD; Salvia doesn't cause trembling, pupil dilation, temperature swing, or heart palpitation, as LSD does. The reduction of bodily effects, along with controllable dosage and short duration, makes Salvia ideal for studying cognitive dynamics about time, will, and control, including the nature of personal control agency. When Salvia is combined with understanding this model of ego death, one can be immediately and straightforwardly initiated into transcendent self-knowledge.

Salvia can cause intense undulation of vision and of the mental body-image similar to Laokoon, the seer and priest of Apollo, who was wrapped by the two serpents of Apollo and wrestled with them to his death. Perceptual undulation is also depicted in Jonah’s prayer in the whale, with the currents, waves, and breakers swirling around him and threatening to engulf him with turbulent waters, with seaweed wrapped around his head; and Medusa, with snakes moving around her head. The material plane itself, including one’s mental body-image, seems to undulate, not just one’s visual perception of it.

Compared to mushrooms, Salvia produces less visual and auditory distortion such as color smearing, blurring, surface waving, bending, tracers, and audio warbling. Salvia causes sensations of explicit representationalism, frozen timelessness, spacetime embeddedness and spatial merging, and inability to control and steer one’s thoughts. Awareness seems to sit still while thoughts arrive, presented and given to disempowered, passive awareness.

Because of the short duration of smoked Salvia, there isn’t the experience of a “voyage

 

[mysticwarrior]

A view months ago i did buy 1 gram of 5x and a bag of 10x. The first time i tried it, i saw everything as building blocks for maybe a view seconds or so. But then i only felt confused and you know what. Lucky enough i was alone in house, because else it would have looked silly. I just started to pull out my close Not that i wanted that for my self, but i just did it without having control over it. I've read somewhere that more people experiencing this on salvia.

But after that, i've tried it some other times. But i only got confused and then the effects start to fade away. I still have the bag with 10x, so i still need to try it again. By the way, till now i smoked it with a water pipe, so i gonna try the 10x with a normal pipe and will see what happens.

Greets,
Mystic.

 

[GOD]

In that personal description i see no religeous effects . "The duration of smoked Salvia is too brief to enable transcendent, dissociative-state emotion." says that . Then he contradicts himself with " one can be immediately and straightforwardly initiated into transcendent self-knowledge". And " and inability to control and steer one’s thoughts. Awareness seems to sit still while thoughts arrive, presented and given to disempowered, passive awareness".

"One can be immediately and straightforwardly initiated into transcendent self-knowledge" - "Compared to mushrooms, Salvia produces less visual and auditory distortion such as color smearing, blurring, surface waving, bending, tracers, and audio warbling".

Not acording to most people here , my experience , the experience of everyone i know who has tried it and what i have read on the web and in books . Its not suposed to be something that one can control , people say that it takes you and does what it does and all you can do is watch . That you loose this realit totaly and are catapulted into another very strange "reality" . Many people also talk about amnesia wich is not condusive to learning and religeous experience .

His opinions about the "physical" effects of LSD and the differences between the "physical" effects of LSD and Salvia are personal opinions .

One of the main subjects that people here talk about is the unpredictability of dosage .

I dont think he knows what ego death is .

The second paragraph is confused personal opinion and to dumb to comment on .

 

[Subtle_Nod]

i smoked a 17x extract two days ago
dark, silent room w two sitters
i reportedly peaked for about five minutes, all though i haven't been able to remember any but the last minute

You actually seem to have done too much.

 

[GOD]

A wise man / very experienced psychedelics user said " I don't like Salvia's effects. Do Salvia if it's legal where you live. But if where you live Salvia is just as illegal as DMT, choose wisely. "

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

"The duration of smoked Salvia is too brief to enable transcendent, dissociative-state emotion." says that . Then he contradicts himself with " one can be immediately and straightforwardly initiated into transcendent self-knowledge".

The first sentence talks about emotion, the second about self-knowledge. But still what he writes here doesn't really add up, because the duration of smoked DMT is also very brief, but it does enable transcendent emotions. The article was written for some Salvia divinorum magazine though.

His opinions about the "physical" effects of LSD and the differences between the "physical" effects of LSD and Salvia are personal opinions .

True, but he has extensive experience with both, and I know he loves LSD.

 

[magickpencil]

GOD, i'm beginning to agree w you
all the money spent on salvia extract could've gone towards freebase 5-MeO or San Pedro cuttings
i'll use my remaining Salvia in smaller doses, then focus my efforts elsewhere

 

[GOD]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Bor5z6RuQ4

 

[restin]

If you intend to know Salvia better, you may be served better if you grow it? It is then your own, if you wait patiently, you will have enough salvia to make experiments and don´t have to lose money bying it every time...

I smoked salvia 3 times. 2 times with a small wooden pipe and once in a bong. With the pipes I had no effect and bonk rather weak (I made the mistake of standing up and walking around). I now believe that Lady Sal prevented me from killing myself. The first 2 times,my setting was awful, if I really was "away", I´d kill myself- I wanted to trip by a brook...lol well.