repeated use, repeated denial of entry?

[magickpencil]

hello, first post

after doing much research i bought a gram of 20x salvia divinorum extract three days ago
since then i have smoked it five times
each time has been equally bewildering and carried the same sense of power
each time, however, i am in and out of the "trance" state within about a minute - minute-and-a-half
each time has yielded sensation of space being bent like thick plastic and a feeling of resistance against an impending.. dimension?, i can't quite tell
each trial has left me feeling sweaty and intoxicated, unable to walk around for several minutes
my girlfriend has tried the same extract twice now
the first time she experienced a mild sedative and euphoric effect that she rather enjoyed
the second time she had what seemed to me to be a true salvia divinorum experience - visions of a nother place, disassociative behaviour, etc. - lasting about five minutes, and was rather scared by it
not once have i left salvia feeling scared, or even impacted, all though it's definitely affecting me appropriately
i'm thinking about upping the dosage - thoughts?

 

[magickpencil]

a few extra bits of information:

we're using a small water bong and a butane torch
typical dose is ? 200mgs consumed in a single inhalation

i've read Sage Wisdom and many of the resources available in Erowid's salvia divinorum vault
i approach each session eager to learn from / experience salvia divinorum, unfearful but totally respectful

 

[Pariah]

uping the dose from 20x ?!!

I'm not a big salvia fan, so haven't tried this personally, but you could try regular use of 20x (to be honest 10x should be plenty), alot of people swear that *reverse tolerance* occurs with salvia - the more often you take it, the more sensitive you are.. could try that, or if you really want a quick and easy method of upping dose (i've done this) : have a prepacked (with salvia) pipe screen as well as a pipe full, smoke whats in the first bowl, wait till your back in the room, and smoke the second - this sends you deeper into salvia land, without having to regain the motor function to pack a new bowl (just have to be able to smoke it).

 

[JustinNed]

Try a bigger rip, I assume you are using a bong. In my bong I could hold roughly .7g and I could kill that in 2 good hits, with some 20x I was way out there. Also, try holding it in longer.

 

[Rymmen]

Up the dose.

 

[magickpencil]

my first time i held the hit until i could feel the effects set in
subsequent trials have shown this to be unnecessary, so i doubt that's my problem

i've tried taking a hit, waiting for the effects to come on and then subside, and then immediately taking a nother hit
more of the same, unfortunately

i'm rather tall, so my large bodysize could defnitely have some thing to do with it
i thinking increasing the dose will do the trick
and i don't mean purchasing a more concentrated extract, i just mean increasing the amount of matter i'm smoking

 

[Forkbender]

Lower the dose and smoke it through a pipe.

 

[restin]

Can't you inhale more smoke with a bong?

When I use a pipe, it really hurts in the throat...dunno

 

[magickpencil]

Forkbender - what would be the benefit of using a pipe?

 

[Forkbender]

Less cooling of smoke, therefore more Salvinorin in the smoke. I never succeeded smoking Salvia with a waterpipe. With a small pipe it hurts more, but it works instantly. One hit with 5x usually gets me there.

 

[Pariah]

Can't you inhale more smoke with a bong?

When I use a pipe, it really hurts in the throat...dunno

I clear a bowl in one inhalation with my little glass pipe, don't find it to harsh... although I have no other smoking experience (apart from a joint once) - so don't have anything to properly compare it to.

 

[magickpencil]

aha!, didn't know that salvinorin A could be lost through water
i'll try taking the water out of the bong before i up the dose

 

[Pariah]

let us know how it goes, welcome to the forum by the way

 

[magickpencil]

no new trials since the fifth because of a strange development
yester-day, hours after my last salvia experience, my girlfriend noticed that my upper body was noticably flushed and my forehead felt rather warm, seemingly feverish
i've remained in this state all of yester-day and to-day
as mentioned, every salvia experience has left me sweaty and warm
that's the only connection i've been able to make thus far
i don't feel particularly uncomfortable, just a bit warm
the only other symptom to speak of was a slight headache yester-day
any one have any clue?

 

[ssmithford]

I've been noticing that the type of medication/body condition a person is in is affecting the Salvia trips. After talking to Sk-- yesterday I found out he is on heavy sleeping pills. Could be why his trip was so extreme for so long. Curious to hear if you're on anything.

Had a bad issue w/pot a few months back. Started taking it to control pain. But gave myself a huge 10 day headache that re-occurs now when my blood sugar is over 120mg/dl. (The headache came on in the middle of a touch-off and I seriously thought I was having a stroke!)(It still happens sometimes in the middle of a touch-off but now that I know the cause I can pretty much ignore the headache.)

So I'm very careful now with who and what goes into this body of mine.

 

[magickpencil]

i generally dislike taking medication, prescription and over-the-counter alike
i don't even like to take aspirins when in pain - i vastly prefer reef
certainly, the only pill i take is a daily multi-vitamin
i'm in fairly good physical condition as well, with no serious health problems

sorry to hear about your bad experience with marijuana

 

[BuySalviaOnline]

Expectations inverse exclamations so expect nothing to reveal everything - you may have done too much research and are thinking too much?

Light and sound distract so be in a dark and silent place.

Have a purpose and question to be welcomed and answered.

 

[magickpencil]

i've started reading The Psychedelic Experience by Leary, Metzner, and Alpert
i think my real problem w Salvia has been my unconscious will to retain my ego
this explains my over-arching feeling of resistance
i'm really looking for total ego-loss in my next trial
the techniques described in The Psychedelic Experience might help, coupled w a completely dark and silent setting

any ideas?, suggestions?

 

[BrainEater]

@magicpencil

i think i am in a similar situation with salvia like you. in my last salvia experience i almost had total ego-death, but also somehow there seems to be an inner conflict in myself, because i can't remember my feelings during the trip. i can only remember vague impressions. so my ego seems to resist itself... at the same time i want to take anothe ride with her, but i am really scared, because i remember during the last experience at the beginning i felt extreme terror, but really unspecific terror.


a bit of a problem with salvia seems to be the integrating in the mind, because of the intensity (most times) of the experience.

but also i suppose the deepness of teaching you can receive is not something you are supposed to attain without knowledge of self.


i think the best suggestion i can give you is that before you smoke it, you should try to feel centered and sort of giving respect to the lady salvia and focus your thoughts on receiving a lesson.

 

[magickpencil]

i smoked a 17x extract two days ago
dark, silent room w two sitters
i reportedly peaked for about five minutes, all though i haven't been able to remember any but the last minute and subsequent coming down
there was a familiar sense of confusion, followed by a daze where various mundane objects grabbed my attention and gave me an unsettling feeling

i don't seem to be making much progress w this method
elminate a factor, a new one turns up
i'd really like to try it sublingually w dried leaves