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It IS interesting.
Albert Einstein saw something so nasty in the core of this country 70 years ago that he considered it 'a mistake so greivous, it cannot be repaired in my lifetime' that he ever came here.
What I fimd more interesting is that creature comforts and convenience trump freedom of inquiry and fair treatment, in this 'land of the free'....
Einstein was in awe of what he discovered. But you know what? This 'discovery' of his is something most of us figured out early on...this country is a lie.
This reality tunnel that we have always been surrounded by, wasnt
created with any forethought, it's what happened while everyone was trrying to stay alive.
And everyone is ignoring it for as long as possible.
....better live it up everyone....
I see problems ahead
Albert Einstein saw something so nasty in the core of this country 70 years ago that he considered it 'a mistake so greivous, it cannot be repaired in my lifetime' that he ever came here.
What I fimd more interesting is that creature comforts and convenience trump freedom of inquiry and fair treatment, in this 'land of the free'....
Einstein was in awe of what he discovered. But you know what? This 'discovery' of his is something most of us figured out early on...this country is a lie.
This reality tunnel that we have always been surrounded by, wasnt
created with any forethought, it's what happened while everyone was trrying to stay alive.
And everyone is ignoring it for as long as possible.
....better live it up everyone....
I see problems ahead
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I really enjoyed reading your post, spice. On the topic of Einstein. There is a book I know you and alotta other psychonauts would enjoy. I forgot about it til now. Its
called "Einstein's dreams" its written by this physicist. He takes einstein's theorys on time and space and illustrates them in a type of narrative. Basically explaining each theory as if we were reading the contents of einstein's dreams. Its great. I think it should be pretty cheap since the book is not real long
just found the amazon llisting it 10 dollars
ttp://www.amazon.com/Einsteins-Dreams-A ... F8&s=books
I really enjoyed reading your post, spice. On the topic of Einstein. There is a book I know you and alotta other psychonauts would enjoy. I forgot about it til now. Its
called "Einstein's dreams" its written by this physicist. He takes einstein's theorys on time and space and illustrates them in a type of narrative. Basically explaining each theory as if we were reading the contents of einstein's dreams. Its great. I think it should be pretty cheap since the book is not real long
just found the amazon llisting it 10 dollars
ttp://www.amazon.com/Einsteins-Dreams-A ... F8&s=books
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Well, if it was up to the average american people, they would bomb the whole world (even countries who wouldn't stand a chance....)
Chaser's war on everything
Be carefull, it's really frightening...
(Sorry for the Americans that do know what it's all about...)
But if consciousness will keep rising, the new world order will be the conscious, indigo's and spiritual and not the damn poor rulers that try to be the nwo right now...
Chaser's war on everything
Be carefull, it's really frightening...
(Sorry for the Americans that do know what it's all about...)
But if consciousness will keep rising, the new world order will be the conscious, indigo's and spiritual and not the damn poor rulers that try to be the nwo right now...
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Maybe that's the problem overhere also...
There must be a way to gather up everybody in the world who is fed up with the way things are going.
There must be a way to gather up everybody in the world who is fed up with the way things are going.
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even if we can unite all the people in the world, and found a new state, things won't be perfect. there's an urge for a stable and people-friendly goverment, AT LEAST, since the V century BC. and then, was far simpler to organize all the despotic states, the tribes, even the city-state. now, with economic reasons behind the countries, with hidden agendas, corrupt media, and millions of other things, will be far more difficult to achieve this utopia.
it is beautiful and should be persued, i agree. but will not be something that we will see, neither our great-grand childen will see. in fact, i belive that this dream will never come into a pratical shape.
even if the people come together and elect a world leader, and a world constituition, people will try to kill him...some people just need power. and then, local politics would get a way to get into his interests, and all would be the same again...as now.
people will never change, and the great bottom of the social hierarchy pyramid is full of narrowminded idiots, of basic, uninteresting and mentally-retarded people. at least in my country it is so. I won't know in the entire world, but i sure do know that things that envolve a lot of people, will evolve into one thing: the large group will turn into smaller groups, and one small group will get the power to rule over the others, sooner or later.
i would rather belive that the society would turn into well-organized tribes, which would be simpler, perhaps more honest, and everybody would see pratical results in a short time. again, this tribes eventually would group and form a super-tribe, and make an empire...you know the story.
it is beautiful and should be persued, i agree. but will not be something that we will see, neither our great-grand childen will see. in fact, i belive that this dream will never come into a pratical shape.
even if the people come together and elect a world leader, and a world constituition, people will try to kill him...some people just need power. and then, local politics would get a way to get into his interests, and all would be the same again...as now.
people will never change, and the great bottom of the social hierarchy pyramid is full of narrowminded idiots, of basic, uninteresting and mentally-retarded people. at least in my country it is so. I won't know in the entire world, but i sure do know that things that envolve a lot of people, will evolve into one thing: the large group will turn into smaller groups, and one small group will get the power to rule over the others, sooner or later.
i would rather belive that the society would turn into well-organized tribes, which would be simpler, perhaps more honest, and everybody would see pratical results in a short time. again, this tribes eventually would group and form a super-tribe, and make an empire...you know the story.
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No, but with a lot of effort, some things may go more fair then the way things are going right now.
It's not like a protest or anti thing, 'cause put something negative in, something negative will come out.
But more a let's be more conscious about things and improve the quality of life for everyone...
It's not like a protest or anti thing, 'cause put something negative in, something negative will come out.
But more a let's be more conscious about things and improve the quality of life for everyone...
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i also think that life should be improved. what i don't understand is why the physical existence is always in the opposite side of the sane mind. when the body is at rest, the mind struggles, and vice-versa.
like someone said...the root of all evil was born when the first human defined property. if property didn't exist, we would all be happy. with no technology, for sure. but if it would come to a choice between happiness and life-quality, i don't know how the overall result would be. i see it like this: when we are sick, we want to kill the disease, and we do all to eliminate the virus in our body. communism failed, even if it defended the end of private property. people ruined it, just like nazism, nationalism, socialism, even teocracy, oligarchy or democracy. so, that just makes me thing: are people really meant to live in large cities, to communicate with different cultures? i do not have a definite answer for this, but everything makes me thing that it is "no".
i am a pessimist, and i don't share your idea of "what you do it is thrown back". positive thinking just masks things and makes life lighter under a hood of happiness. well, i'm not a very happy person, and i don't want to be one...i like it this way, and nonetheless, i am obligated morally to defend my opinions, just like you are.
i just think that knowing a small part of what came behind, i find it extremely difficult that humankind will do something just out of freewill to benefit of all. i think that the future will reserve the same that we had in the past. and as long as there's people, it is going to be this way.
like someone said...the root of all evil was born when the first human defined property. if property didn't exist, we would all be happy. with no technology, for sure. but if it would come to a choice between happiness and life-quality, i don't know how the overall result would be. i see it like this: when we are sick, we want to kill the disease, and we do all to eliminate the virus in our body. communism failed, even if it defended the end of private property. people ruined it, just like nazism, nationalism, socialism, even teocracy, oligarchy or democracy. so, that just makes me thing: are people really meant to live in large cities, to communicate with different cultures? i do not have a definite answer for this, but everything makes me thing that it is "no".
i am a pessimist, and i don't share your idea of "what you do it is thrown back". positive thinking just masks things and makes life lighter under a hood of happiness. well, i'm not a very happy person, and i don't want to be one...i like it this way, and nonetheless, i am obligated morally to defend my opinions, just like you are.
i just think that knowing a small part of what came behind, i find it extremely difficult that humankind will do something just out of freewill to benefit of all. i think that the future will reserve the same that we had in the past. and as long as there's people, it is going to be this way.
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Ehm, well maybe I'm different, but my body and mind are fine.
And my positiveness isn't a mask, but my day to day state, enjoying and living my life.
And you saying were trying to kill the disease and it doesn't work.
That's because when you're trying to kill something, you put in negative energy.
And my positiveness isn't a mask, but my day to day state, enjoying and living my life.
And you saying were trying to kill the disease and it doesn't work.
That's because when you're trying to kill something, you put in negative energy.
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oh, but the disease will get killed, no matter how positive energy it will have. it's just a question of time.
daytripper- It isnt always that the 'physical existence is on the opposite side of the sane mind'
...but if we allow them to TELL us what we should want
or
consider comfortable
then we do feel a struggle exists. This is what Tim (Leary) meant when he said that this reality we inhabit ( our Western 'culture' ) is artificial...he meant that we'll always be unhappy as long as the forces which drive classic Westernized culture control everything.
While I too dislike the fact that man has defined 'property' in the sense you speak of, I am not at all sure that our ills would be cured by the abscence of it...look at a group of so-called 'social chimpanzees' same problems, they steal, and are dishonest and the usual. It is an innate selective pressure.
But because it is selective, it can be changed.
The real problem, as Terence always has said, is that WE have some 'monkey-dominance-territory issues and until we can obliterate the URGE to define territories ( be it by shitting, fences, maps, etc) we'll be struggling in this area, which is why we're NOT ready to colonize the moon. We'd be fighting
over one rock or the other in no time.
To eliminate this urge is possible, I believe, but not likely without a renaissance in thinking and awareness. It may be that this whole pantheonic realm of psychedelics may be the key to unlocking different 'modes'
of 'hyper-feeling' and eventually delivering us from the monkey.
Allowing a small group of greedy men to CONTINUE to ruin the world is a weight every free-thinking person must bear on his conscience as he/she becomes more aware. This weight grows in mass, and as awareness increases, so then does this weight, and the double-edged sword of increased
awareness reveals itself. ( shit! that ain't no paper cut )
I have come to see it this way- Much of humanity is utterly doomed, as surely as cattle standing in a chute. But the ways of DNA are subtle, and strange. Our code is modifying and adjusting, creating the very forces necessary to continue the line, and thats the key. DNA mutates and evolves and as with all dna, it reduces to mathematics.
The entire concept this culture was founded on is corrupt.
You can only exploit things and people for so long. Capitali-ISM is just as big a miss as communism or any other -ism.
An -ism is just someone else telling you how to live.
You cant have, ever, a structured 'solution' to this problem. someone else's answer is exactly how this all started. The answer is freedom, like always.
Can't have freedom until every man & woman can get limitless free energy by some process which cant be 'kept in the box' or de-invented.
THIS is the root of why they're able to control everything. They control the GAS and the OIL and the ELECTRIC and the CHEMICALS.
If I remember correctly, gas,, oil, electricity, and all chemicals are the fruit of a body of knowledge called 'science'.
Keeping us at war with each other over the whole religion vs. science debate is a masterful manipultion that has worked so well for so long, they never even needed to change the basic premise.
I feel that this is all pretty simple, but it's going to be very distasteful to correct, and everyone knows thiis.
...but if we allow them to TELL us what we should want
or
consider comfortable
then we do feel a struggle exists. This is what Tim (Leary) meant when he said that this reality we inhabit ( our Western 'culture' ) is artificial...he meant that we'll always be unhappy as long as the forces which drive classic Westernized culture control everything.
While I too dislike the fact that man has defined 'property' in the sense you speak of, I am not at all sure that our ills would be cured by the abscence of it...look at a group of so-called 'social chimpanzees' same problems, they steal, and are dishonest and the usual. It is an innate selective pressure.
But because it is selective, it can be changed.
The real problem, as Terence always has said, is that WE have some 'monkey-dominance-territory issues and until we can obliterate the URGE to define territories ( be it by shitting, fences, maps, etc) we'll be struggling in this area, which is why we're NOT ready to colonize the moon. We'd be fighting
over one rock or the other in no time.
To eliminate this urge is possible, I believe, but not likely without a renaissance in thinking and awareness. It may be that this whole pantheonic realm of psychedelics may be the key to unlocking different 'modes'
of 'hyper-feeling' and eventually delivering us from the monkey.
Allowing a small group of greedy men to CONTINUE to ruin the world is a weight every free-thinking person must bear on his conscience as he/she becomes more aware. This weight grows in mass, and as awareness increases, so then does this weight, and the double-edged sword of increased
awareness reveals itself. ( shit! that ain't no paper cut )
I have come to see it this way- Much of humanity is utterly doomed, as surely as cattle standing in a chute. But the ways of DNA are subtle, and strange. Our code is modifying and adjusting, creating the very forces necessary to continue the line, and thats the key. DNA mutates and evolves and as with all dna, it reduces to mathematics.
The entire concept this culture was founded on is corrupt.
You can only exploit things and people for so long. Capitali-ISM is just as big a miss as communism or any other -ism.
An -ism is just someone else telling you how to live.
You cant have, ever, a structured 'solution' to this problem. someone else's answer is exactly how this all started. The answer is freedom, like always.
Can't have freedom until every man & woman can get limitless free energy by some process which cant be 'kept in the box' or de-invented.
THIS is the root of why they're able to control everything. They control the GAS and the OIL and the ELECTRIC and the CHEMICALS.
If I remember correctly, gas,, oil, electricity, and all chemicals are the fruit of a body of knowledge called 'science'.
Keeping us at war with each other over the whole religion vs. science debate is a masterful manipultion that has worked so well for so long, they never even needed to change the basic premise.
I feel that this is all pretty simple, but it's going to be very distasteful to correct, and everyone knows thiis.
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daytripper a dit:
But at the cost of what.
Just like cutting away cancer, a part of you is cut out as well.
thats what I meant about DNA...
this can all just be seen as the thinning of the herd
Any organism makes infinitely more copies of itself than absolutely necessary, hence the term 'gene pool'
good stuff stays, bad stuff dies off...
this process is called 'evolving'
and the way it works is a process called 'selection'
You have natural selection, where nature chooses who reproduces
( plants and so called 'wild' animals)
and artificial selection, aka 'breeding'
Humanity is unwittingly breeding some tough, smart, impossible to control
survivors who will carry this all to wherever its going.
But much of this mass of us is already obsolete
this can all just be seen as the thinning of the herd
Any organism makes infinitely more copies of itself than absolutely necessary, hence the term 'gene pool'
good stuff stays, bad stuff dies off...
this process is called 'evolving'
and the way it works is a process called 'selection'
You have natural selection, where nature chooses who reproduces
( plants and so called 'wild' animals)
and artificial selection, aka 'breeding'
Humanity is unwittingly breeding some tough, smart, impossible to control
survivors who will carry this all to wherever its going.
But much of this mass of us is already obsolete
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natural selection à la Darwin style is not appliable to humans. I, for instance, was not supposed to be alive, since i was born with serious health problems, and those problems are chronic. if it weren't for pills, antibiothics, and other drugs, i'd be dead for a long time. same happens with many, many people. we live inside a cage, nothing can harm us real bad . we have built houses and cities, and many things that are meant to separate us from nature. natural selection is not appliable when the species is not in touch with other species...this is only useful when a couple of different beings live together.
you might say we are the agents of the natural selection in our cities and in places we can control.
the problem is that the cancer does not want to die. but i agree, the cancer is a part of us. if i were labeled as "cancer", i wouldn't mind to die if it made a better world. didn't mind at all, knowing that after that, people would be educated and life would be meaningful for them.
for instance, one thing that bothers me ad infinitum is the lack of objectives in our current world. there are no goals. "growth and stability", they say. i work, and i work like hell. they grow, not me. i can't save that much money per month. i won't even talk about stability. my peyotes are tired from travelling, and so am I.
if all this had been planned, we would live in a world so perfect, that none of us would go to work everyday, and would spend his/her time doing what he/she liked: family, friends, psychonauting, children, gardening, whatever! it just bugs me the fact that millions go to work everyday to fill the pockets of some men. and they do nothing besides waiting for our fat asses to do their work. that just pisses me off, man. that just makes me wish that the cancer was flushed down.[/b]
you might say we are the agents of the natural selection in our cities and in places we can control.
the problem is that the cancer does not want to die. but i agree, the cancer is a part of us. if i were labeled as "cancer", i wouldn't mind to die if it made a better world. didn't mind at all, knowing that after that, people would be educated and life would be meaningful for them.
for instance, one thing that bothers me ad infinitum is the lack of objectives in our current world. there are no goals. "growth and stability", they say. i work, and i work like hell. they grow, not me. i can't save that much money per month. i won't even talk about stability. my peyotes are tired from travelling, and so am I.
if all this had been planned, we would live in a world so perfect, that none of us would go to work everyday, and would spend his/her time doing what he/she liked: family, friends, psychonauting, children, gardening, whatever! it just bugs me the fact that millions go to work everyday to fill the pockets of some men. and they do nothing besides waiting for our fat asses to do their work. that just pisses me off, man. that just makes me wish that the cancer was flushed down.[/b]
What I find difficult to understand, is if this new world order has been conspiring for over 200 years, how the hell did they anticipate the internet? Because someone high up there must be completely stressed out by the fact that there now is a publicely available source of information that virtually everyone can access and has the potention of blowing open their cover and undoing over 200 years of careful planning.
And I can go so far as to believe that this new world order can control most of the traditional media, there's no way that they have control over the internet.
Or am I naieve here?
For sure it is, there are many people who are in the exact situation as you instead they die because they where born in a country without the healtcare that you have.
And I can go so far as to believe that this new world order can control most of the traditional media, there's no way that they have control over the internet.
Or am I naieve here?
For sure it is, there are many people who are in the exact situation as you instead they die because they where born in a country without the healtcare that you have.
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yes, heartcore, that is very true. i was talking about the "western civilization", but i forgot to mention it, my error.
what you say about the NWO conspiracy made me think...how can they control the internet, if is accessible to so many people ? i guess when we are educated in the way that we have, they control us from the beggining, as they antecipate all of our thoughts. even the conspiracy thought is what they want us to think. it's like Plato's cavern...when we live looking at shadows, we think the shadows are the only thing real, and our bodies are the shadows. when we take something for granted (and all of us take many things for granted, or else we would live in chaos), hardly will we think of it again, and try to question it. again, it is a hard road to question everything, and even if we come up with some answers, it is impossible to fight for the people that, like us, live in the world of shadows.
we need a messiah like john rambo, that alone could defeat an entire army, and come up with smart words, like "i'm your worst nightmare".
what you say about the NWO conspiracy made me think...how can they control the internet, if is accessible to so many people ? i guess when we are educated in the way that we have, they control us from the beggining, as they antecipate all of our thoughts. even the conspiracy thought is what they want us to think. it's like Plato's cavern...when we live looking at shadows, we think the shadows are the only thing real, and our bodies are the shadows. when we take something for granted (and all of us take many things for granted, or else we would live in chaos), hardly will we think of it again, and try to question it. again, it is a hard road to question everything, and even if we come up with some answers, it is impossible to fight for the people that, like us, live in the world of shadows.
we need a messiah like john rambo, that alone could defeat an entire army, and come up with smart words, like "i'm your worst nightmare".
So someone there just put the thought in my mind 5 minutes ago which powered a desire in me to go home and make love to my girlfriend? And they also controlled the thought that made me use my pinky finger 10 seconds ago to pick my nose (dont picture this lol)?
Scare tactics is what this is. Read again what you say, try to make sense of it (you wont), rephrase the sentence. 'They' dont controll all our thoughts, thats impossible. But when you state something like that anyhow, you are just confusing yourself with poetry because thats what it is. Doomthinking.
Agree, yea its a hard road. However, this road is pointed out by many individual trip experiences. In other words, many people get a glimpse of the fabric of reality and get the idea that things are just very differrent than they supposed. Not everyone can handle that. Impossible to fight? I dont think so, we are fighting the war at this very moment brother, you and me and everyone else participating here because of the nature of this place we meet.
Psychedelics are a (maybe THE) antiserum for global crisis, we are advocating them and using them. The very fact that in most countries you will go to jail for this, should make clear that we are doing something that the government finds dangerous for itself. Public healthcare has nothing to do with it
