pee and peyote

[sidefx]

any one heard of drinkin yur piss after a trip on mescaline? 2 ttrip again harder

 

[GOD]

No . Mainly because it doesnt work .

 

[Jahvisions]

Mescaline appears to not be subject to metabolism by CYP2D6[5] and between 20 and 50% of mescaline is excreted in the urine unchanged, and the rest being excreted as the carboxylic acid form of mescaline, a likely result of MAO degradation[6]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mescaline
(maybe not the most trustable source)

If this is true I can't see why it shouldn't work.

Never heard of it, The do this with amanitas because ibotanic acid is metabolized to muscimol, the substance you want, so you have to take less to get the right dose of muscimol with less toxic side effects.

I don't see any reason why to do this with mescaline, it looks a little cheap to me.

 

[GOD]

How big is a dose of mescalin ? How much does a person piss out after taking a dose ? In how many pisses are one dose or enough for a person to have a mescalin effect ? Are you going to boil it down to drinkable amounts ?

 

[Jahvisions]

true

 

[GOD]

Imagine trying to piss in a cup every time one pissed and then drinking it all when on a trip .

 

[Sticki]

My guess is, If worth it, An extraction would be possible.

After a trip on mescaline collect the urine and then extract the mescaline from it and see what you get back

 

[Meduzz]

You wouldn't need much if you would do it intravenously...

 

[Sticki]

IV = 1/3 of the dose you would have orally.

However I myself and Im sure every one else here would never suggest self administration of an injected dose and if you do please remember to do it with clean apparatus in a safe enviroment disposing of any apparatus in the correct way after use.

Im not having a go, Its just IV is linked to bad drug habits and I wouldnt like to think we as people have encouraged another person to stick a needle in his/her arm.

 

[braha_kahn]

some sources say it is possible, like this one:

OUROBORIC SHAMANISM

By Dreamspore


Most sources I have ever come across state that the passing of entheogenic properties through the urine is only possible with the Amanita Muscaria mushroom. THIS IS NOT TRUE!

It should be borne in mind that, while psychoactive plants which share this property of passing useable amounts of its drug into the user's urine are relatively rare, they do exist. Amanita Muscaria is not unique in this regard.

Jan & Andrews book mentions the possibility of Psilocybin being passed through the urine as well. I am here to tell you that it is a FACT! The effects from the mushroom can be prolonged for some time by the recycling of your "living waters." This understanding should begin to change people's understanding of the Ouroboric nature of the true Alchemists, and shamans.



Certain Siva traditions consider sperm as Soma. Sperm and Urine can often be the same thing in such myths (the liquid of life from the penis). A fair number of hymn texts describe Siva or Indra (Vajrapani) ejaculating into the mouth of Agni, the god of fire.

In hymn no. VI of the Rig Veda, section eight, are the lines:

"O Agni, the holocaust has been hurled into your mouth, as the ghrita is poured into the spoon and the soma into the sacred vase. Give us great and glorious opulence, to assure us of abundance, renown and power."

So, given the context in which Vajrapani (Indra) drinks the urine of one has just drunk a powerfully inebriating potion, we should strongly suspect that Amanita muscaria is implicated. Vritra, an asura, stole all the water in the world and Indra drank much Soma to prepare himself for the battle with the huge serpent. He passed through Vritra's ninety-nine fortresses, slew the monster and brought water back to Earth.


The Tibetan Buddhist version is The Chakdor Legend:

All the Buddhas gather on top of Mount Meru to consider how to obtain the elixir of life, Dutsi. They are seeking an antidote to Hala, the source of human illness that the demons have in their possession.

They churn the ocean and procure the dutsi which they entrust to the protector, Vajrapani. However, the monster Rahu manages to steal it. He drinks it down, and then urinates it back into the vessel that it had been put into by the Buddhas.

Vajrapani realizes what has happened and sets out to kill Rahu. He questions the Sun as to the demon's whereabouts, but the Sun fears retaliation from Rahu. The Moon felt no different, but still was willing to help the cause, and reveals where Rahu is hiding.

Slain by Vajrapani at last, the rakshasa comes back to life because he had drunk the dutsi or, in Sanskrit, amrita.

Now Vajrapani has to take his punishment; he is made to drink the urine. He conceives an even greater rage against Rahu and all demons, and slays him over and over again. Wherever the blood of Rahu dripped onto the surface of this earth, it caused to spring up all manner of medicinal plants.

In the light of recycled entheogens in urine (as well as Wasson’s contention that soma was A. muscaria), the urine-drinking element of "The Legend About Chakdor" assumes considerable significance.


Another fact that may surprise many psychonauts is that Mescaline can also be recycled!! This fact is written about (for one) in the book "Peyote The Divine Cactus" by Edward Anderson

"Significantly, 60 to 90 percent of the original dose of mescaline is excreted in the subjects urine in it original form, most of the remainder being eliminated by oxidative deamination as 3,4,5-trimethocyphenlyacetic acid (TMPA)(Ott, 1976, 114; Lemberger and Rubin 1976, 67). "

So, for all you home-chemists out there - it is possible to basify urine (after ingestion of course), then add a NP solvent, and seperate that, then acidify it to make the recycled mescaline fall out. Of course, its easier to just drink your pee. (* In ww II they collected the GI's urine and extracted the pennicillin from it.)

However, despite the fact that about 80% of ingested mescaline is excreted with the urine, there have been no reports of urine- drinking associated with the peyote (Anhalonium lewinii) cults of North America nor with the San Pedro (Trichocereus pachanoi) cult of Peru. This is somewhat surprising as urine, even someone else's, is probably a lot more palatable than the intensely bitter peyote cactus. There are, of course, no Old World plants which contain mescaline.

So, there it is my fellow forum friends! Three magic entheogens in which you can recycle in your body, producing the "Waters of Life." I suggest, and have done now on multiple trips, taking all 3 together. By the 3rd cycle you have something that would make Terence McKenna curl his toes!

Now, of course, many find the idea of drinking pee disgusting, while others drink the stuff on a daily basis! I for one save such activity for shamanic "ritual" and practice only. One thing is sure, it isn't as bad as you may think. Break free of taboos... they usually only hold us back from enlightenment.



:hail: sily:

source: gnosticmedia forum

 

[Forkbender]

Im not having a go, Its just IV is linked to bad drug habits and I wouldnt like to think we as people have encouraged another person to stick a needle in his/her arm.

True.

Get a professional to do it for ya. 8)

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Only couple of substances with psyche pharmacy acting way could be found in piss. At first is muscazone from A.muscaria. This is even better then shroom alkaloids itself. They are "purified"! And Tramadolum pain killer is second one which has been used by that way, drinking piss.
Other drugs haven't heard. OK, every drug leave some unchanged metabolites and active analogs but not efficient to be cause of any mental change. So my last words, do not drink your and no ones piss.
Exception is A.muscaria, this is even better!

 

[GOD]

"source: gnosticmedia forum"

It would be better if you offered verifyable facts and not idiotic crap and lies like that from esoteric fundamentalists .

And carnival tricks like writing things in red or underlining them doesnt make them facts . It makes you look stupid .

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

GOD why are U angry? :?: Who piss U up? :?:
I Haven't even looked more then 3 secs what bothers U and seen it(3-4post before yours).
Thats Copy of "net" text with "bold" "colored" parts. Forgive him. :wink: Newcomer. :wink: 8) Once we were all Crying for times when I was so enthusiastic and eager to fight. Psydelic fight. NOW? I do not even show up here if someone doesn't PM me! WORKING, spending time with people with perception of this like joke and mind sickness, so I need to be quiet.
Working on my soul, life, love, emotions, and many other things. And all of them involve psyelics. Thats me in last 4 months.
Hear U.

 

[GOD]

"GOD why are U angry? Question Who piss U up?"

Can you keep your ofensive and false statements for yourself please .

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

"GOD why are U angry? Question Who piss U up?"

Can you keep your ofensive and false statements for yourself please .

Shit, what I wrong with U my friend? Why are U so thight ass?
I am just jocking! One post, only one post and this is what U get!?Q?!?!?!?!?1
I cAN'T SEE ANY REASON WHY U ARE ANGRY ON ME
?!?
REALLY. HELLO! I AM!
NOT SOMEONE WHO U DOESN'T EVEN KNOW. OR HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING FROM HIM.

 

[braha_kahn]

"source: gnosticmedia forum"

It would be better if you offered verifyable facts and not idiotic crap and lies like that from esoteric fundamentalists .

And carnival tricks like writing things in red or underlining them doesnt make them facts . It makes you look stupid .

I only said that some sources state that it is possible... I did not say I believed it nor that I disbelieved it...

If you would've read the quote you would've seen that there's also an non esoteric fundamentalist writer who claims that it is possible... If I may believe the source I quoted of course. So you can verify all you want in that book... Tell me the results will ya...

And I don't care if you think I'm stupid by the way... The lay out isn't my work... I just quoted it on the gnosticmedia forum and pasted the quote over here... Just spreading information... If it is true or not I do not have the answer

How are you today btw dear god? You seem agitated (AGAIN )

 

[GOD]

Please stop mobbing me with your false acusations . If you want to know what i think about something or how i mean things please ask and stop projecting things on me .

 

[braha_kahn]

Please stop mobbing me with your false acusations . If you want to know what i think about something or how i mean things please ask and stop projecting things on me .

where did I accuse you? I just asked how you were today...

It's called "being friendly" perhaps you should try that once! It's fun you know

Makes the world a better place to live in

 

[GOD]

Trolling is against the rules . Please stop now .