IJesusChrist
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What you got for me?
This story just don't make any sense at the moment.
This story just don't make any sense at the moment.
Osama.
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it makes so little impact on me that i havnt gathered many facts on it as of yet
from what i hear they threw his body in the sea and took a dna test?
my question is if they even had his dna to cross reference it with in the first place
to me, from what very little i know atm, it all sounds really suspect...
from what i hear they threw his body in the sea and took a dna test?
my question is if they even had his dna to cross reference it with in the first place
to me, from what very little i know atm, it all sounds really suspect...
Illegalsmile
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i heard they confirmed it was him, and obama went on tv and told the us about it. i guess he was in a mansion in pakistan and special forces were sent there, there was a firefight and a woman also died. they said she was being used as a human shield. pretty crazy, i guess they had been planning this beforehand for about a month or two. i heard the operation was executed durung the royal wedding. im not that happy about how proud we are to have killed him. we could've captured him but oh well. 9 years later
Reasonablelogic
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I wont believe he's dead until they provide us with concrete evidence, as in photos or at least a video. Until then doubting is evident.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/desire-osama-bin-laden-death-photo-grows/story?id=13516795
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/desire-osama-bin-laden-death-photo-grows/story?id=13516795
Reasonablelogic
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My guess is that something drastic is about to take place in the coming future. Sort of like a cause and effect situation, exp- Osama dead = "retaliation" of some sort.
If this happens, more civil liberties will be taken away.
If this happens, more civil liberties will be taken away.
Scapegoat......
Personally, I think he was probably dead pre 9/11 or very shortly after.
As already stated this will be nothing more then an excuse to execute an exercise of fear to infringe on our human rights and then use it as an excuse to invade and steal natural resources from another country.
Personally, I think he was probably dead pre 9/11 or very shortly after.
As already stated this will be nothing more then an excuse to execute an exercise of fear to infringe on our human rights and then use it as an excuse to invade and steal natural resources from another country.
Reasonablelogic
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The way that the towers fell looked very similar to a control demolition.. Yeah so they say planes hi-jacked by Muslim extremist who just finished flight school took out 2 skyscrapers and a building huh?Allusion a dit:
This topic has been coverd, Years ago.
The Bush family and Bin Laden family are fellow oil barons and arms dealers and the only way to obtain cheap oil and sell loads of guns is to take by force and make war.
The 9/11 plan:
Take 1 known "Dead" terrorist, Blame him for 1 day of military precision destruction coupled with the loss of NUMEROUS lives to create backing from a nation, Let the person who owns the target buildings setup large insurance policys and have them rigged with thermite, Put the western world in a state of fear stripping them of thier human rights and finally promote Islam all in one foul swoop. Sounds pretty much like the last 10 years of the story to me....
A ploy, Setup for financial and political reasons that only appeal to a minority of like minded rich pricks that think thier financial status is nothing with out power and authority to flex over the slaves. :roll:
The Bush family and Bin Laden family are fellow oil barons and arms dealers and the only way to obtain cheap oil and sell loads of guns is to take by force and make war.
The 9/11 plan:
Take 1 known "Dead" terrorist, Blame him for 1 day of military precision destruction coupled with the loss of NUMEROUS lives to create backing from a nation, Let the person who owns the target buildings setup large insurance policys and have them rigged with thermite, Put the western world in a state of fear stripping them of thier human rights and finally promote Islam all in one foul swoop. Sounds pretty much like the last 10 years of the story to me....
A ploy, Setup for financial and political reasons that only appeal to a minority of like minded rich pricks that think thier financial status is nothing with out power and authority to flex over the slaves. :roll:
Reasonablelogic
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Exactly. Wonder when the majority of us "slaves" would wake up. It really sad how dumbed down the country is.Sticki a dit:
(found on the web)
seven questions Mr Bush. I ask them on behalf of the 3,000 who died that September day, and I ask them on behalf of the American people. We seek no revenge against you. We want only to know what happened, and what can be done to bring the murderers to justice, so we can prevent any future attacks on our citizens.
1. Is it true that the Bin Ladens have had business relations with you and your family off and on for the past 25 years?
Most Americans might be surprised to learn that you and your father have known the Bin Ladens for a long time. What, exactly, is the extent of this relationship, Mr Bush? Are you close personal friends, or simply on-again, off-again business associates? Salem bin Laden - Osama's brother - first started coming to Texas in 1973 and later bought some land, built himself a house, and created Bin Laden Aviation at the San Antonio airfield.
The Bin Ladens are one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia. Their huge construction firm virtually built the country, from the roads and power plants to the skyscrapers and government buildings. They built some of the airstrips America used in your dad's Gulf war. Billionaires many times over, they soon began investing in other ventures around the world, including the US. They have extensive business dealings with Citigroup, General Electric, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and the Fremont Group.
According to the New Yorker, the bin Laden family also owns a part of Microsoft and the airline and defense giant Boeing. They have donated $2m to your alma mater, Harvard University, and tens of thousands to the Middle East Policy Council, a think-tank headed by a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Charles Freeman. In addition to the property they own in Texas, they also have real estate in Florida and Massachusetts. In short, they have their hands deep in our pants.
Unfortunately, as you know, Mr Bush, Salem bin Laden died in a plane crash in Texas in 1988. Salem's brothers - there are around 50 of them, including Osama - continued to run the family companies and investments.
After leaving office, your father became a highly paid consultant for a company known as the Carlyle Group - one of the nation's largest defense contractors. One of the investors in the Carlyle Group - to the tune of at least $2m - was none other than the Bin Laden family. Until 1994, you headed a company called CaterAir, which was owned by the Carlyle Group.
After September 11, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal both ran stories pointing out this connection. Your first response, Mr Bush, was to ignore it. Then your army of pundits went into spin control. They said, we can't paint these Bin Ladens with the same brush we use for Osama. They have disowned Osama! They have nothing to do with him! These are the good Bin Ladens.
And then the video footage came out. It showed a number of these "good" Bin Ladens - including Osama's mother, a sister and two brothers - with Osama at his son's wedding just six and a half months before September 11. It was no secret to the CIA that Osama bin Laden had access to his family fortune (his share is estimated to be at least $30m), and the Bin Ladens, as well as other Saudis, kept Osama and his group, al-Qaida, well funded.
You've gotten a free ride from the media, though they know everything I have just written to be the truth. They seem unwilling or afraid to ask you a simple question, Mr Bush: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
In case you don't understand just how bizarre the media's silence is regarding the Bush-Bin Laden connections, let me draw an analogy to how the press or Congress might have handled something like this if the same shoe had been on the Clinton foot. If, after the terrorist attack on the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, it had been revealed that President Bill Clinton and his family had financial dealings with Timothy McVeigh's family, what do you think your Republican party and the media would have done with that one?
Do you think at least a couple of questions might have been asked, such as, "What is that all about?" Be honest, you know the answer. They would have asked more than a couple of questions. They would have skinned Clinton alive and thrown what was left of his carcass in Guantanamo Bay.
2. What is the 'special relationship' between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family?
Mr Bush, the Bin Ladens are not the only Saudis with whom you and your family have a close personal relationship. The entire royal family seems to be indebted to you - or is it the other way round?
The number one supplier of oil to the US is the nation of Saudi Arabia, possessor of the largest known reserves of oil in the world. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, it was really the Saudis next door who felt threatened, and it was your father, George Bush I, who came to their rescue. The Saudis have never forgotten this. Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US, says that your mother and father "are like my mother and father. I know if ever I needed anything I could go to them".
A major chunk of the American economy is built on Saudi money. They have a trillion dollars invested in our stock market and another trillion dollars in our banks. If they chose suddenly to remove that money, our corporations and financial institutions would be sent into a tailspin, causing an economic crisis the likes of which has never been seen. Couple that with the fact that the 1.5m barrels of oil we need daily from the Saudis could also vanish on a mere royal whim, and we begin to see how not only you, but all of us, are dependent on the House of Saud. George, is this good for our national security, our homeland security? Who is it good for? You? Pops?
After meeting with the Saudi crown prince in April 2002, you happily told us that the two of you had "established a strong personal bond" and that you "spent a lot of time alone". Were you trying to reassure us? Or just flaunt your friendship with a group of rulers who rival the Taliban in their suppression of human rights? Why the double standard?
3. Who attacked the US on September 11 - a guy on dialysis from a cave in Afghanistan, or your friend, Saudi Arabia?
I'm sorry, Mr Bush, but something doesn't make sense.
You got us all repeating by rote that it was Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the attack on the United States on September 11. Even I was doing it. But then I started hearing strange stories about Osama's kidneys. Suddenly, I don't know who or what to trust. How could a guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, hooked up to dialysis, have directed and overseen the actions of 19 terrorists for two years in the US then plotted so perfectly the hijacking of four planes and then guaranteed that three of them would end up precisely on their targets? How did he organize, communicate, control and supervise this kind of massive attack? With two cans and a string?
The headlines blared it the first day and they blare it the same way now two years later: "Terrorists Attack United States." Terrorists. I have wondered about this word for some time, so, George, let me ask you a question: if 15 of the 19 hijackers had been North Korean, rather than Saudi, and they had killed 3,000 people, do you think the headline the next day might have read, "NORTH KOREA ATTACKS UNITED STATES"? Of course it would. Or if it had been 15 Iranians or 15 Libyans or 15 Cubans, I think the conventional wisdom would have been, "IRAN ATTACKS AMERICA!" Yet, when it comes to September 11, have you ever seen the headline, have you ever heard a newscaster, has one of your appointees ever uttered these words: "Saudi Arabia attacked the United States"?
Of course you haven't. And so the question must - must - be asked: why not? Why, when Congress released its own investigation into September 11, did you, Mr Bush, censor out 28 pages that deal with the Saudis' role in the attack?
I would like to throw out a possibility here: what if September 11 was not a "terrorist" attack but, rather, a military attack against the United States? George, apparently you were a pilot once - how hard is it to hit a five-story building at more than 500 miles an hour? The Pentagon is only five stories high. At 500 miles an hour, had the pilots been off by just a hair, they'd have been in the river. You do not get this skilled at learning how to fly jumbo jets by being taught on a video game machine at some dipshit flight training school in Arizona. You learn to do this in the air force. Someone's air force.
The Saudi air force?
What if these weren't wacko terrorists, but military pilots who signed on to a suicide mission? What if they were doing this at the behest of either the Saudi government or certain disgruntled members of the Saudi royal family? The House of Saud, according to Robert Baer's book Sleeping With the Devil, is full of them. So, did certain factions within the Saudi royal family execute the attack on September 11? Were these pilots trained by the Saudis? Why are you so busy protecting the Saudis when you should be protecting us?
4. Why did you allow a private Saudi jet to fly around the US in the days after September 11 and pick up members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the country without a proper investigation by the FBI?
Private jets, under the supervision of the Saudi government - and with your approval - were allowed to fly around the skies of America, when traveling by air was forbidden, and pick up 24 members of the Bin Laden family and take them first to a "secret assembly point in Texas". They then flew to Washington DC, and then on to Boston. Finally, on September 18, they were all flown to Paris, out of the reach of any US officials. They never went through any serious interrogation. This is mind-boggling. Might it have been possible that at least one of the 24 Bin Ladens would have possibly known something?
While thousands were stranded and could not fly, if you could prove you were a close relative of the biggest mass murderer in US history, you got a free trip to gay Paree!
_____________________________
It is of incalculable value for you to ponder the full impact of this, and that means all of it
I'm right about what scares the living hell outta you IJC
I really am
seven questions Mr Bush. I ask them on behalf of the 3,000 who died that September day, and I ask them on behalf of the American people. We seek no revenge against you. We want only to know what happened, and what can be done to bring the murderers to justice, so we can prevent any future attacks on our citizens.
1. Is it true that the Bin Ladens have had business relations with you and your family off and on for the past 25 years?
Most Americans might be surprised to learn that you and your father have known the Bin Ladens for a long time. What, exactly, is the extent of this relationship, Mr Bush? Are you close personal friends, or simply on-again, off-again business associates? Salem bin Laden - Osama's brother - first started coming to Texas in 1973 and later bought some land, built himself a house, and created Bin Laden Aviation at the San Antonio airfield.
The Bin Ladens are one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia. Their huge construction firm virtually built the country, from the roads and power plants to the skyscrapers and government buildings. They built some of the airstrips America used in your dad's Gulf war. Billionaires many times over, they soon began investing in other ventures around the world, including the US. They have extensive business dealings with Citigroup, General Electric, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, and the Fremont Group.
According to the New Yorker, the bin Laden family also owns a part of Microsoft and the airline and defense giant Boeing. They have donated $2m to your alma mater, Harvard University, and tens of thousands to the Middle East Policy Council, a think-tank headed by a former US ambassador to Saudi Arabia, Charles Freeman. In addition to the property they own in Texas, they also have real estate in Florida and Massachusetts. In short, they have their hands deep in our pants.
Unfortunately, as you know, Mr Bush, Salem bin Laden died in a plane crash in Texas in 1988. Salem's brothers - there are around 50 of them, including Osama - continued to run the family companies and investments.
After leaving office, your father became a highly paid consultant for a company known as the Carlyle Group - one of the nation's largest defense contractors. One of the investors in the Carlyle Group - to the tune of at least $2m - was none other than the Bin Laden family. Until 1994, you headed a company called CaterAir, which was owned by the Carlyle Group.
After September 11, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal both ran stories pointing out this connection. Your first response, Mr Bush, was to ignore it. Then your army of pundits went into spin control. They said, we can't paint these Bin Ladens with the same brush we use for Osama. They have disowned Osama! They have nothing to do with him! These are the good Bin Ladens.
And then the video footage came out. It showed a number of these "good" Bin Ladens - including Osama's mother, a sister and two brothers - with Osama at his son's wedding just six and a half months before September 11. It was no secret to the CIA that Osama bin Laden had access to his family fortune (his share is estimated to be at least $30m), and the Bin Ladens, as well as other Saudis, kept Osama and his group, al-Qaida, well funded.
You've gotten a free ride from the media, though they know everything I have just written to be the truth. They seem unwilling or afraid to ask you a simple question, Mr Bush: WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?
In case you don't understand just how bizarre the media's silence is regarding the Bush-Bin Laden connections, let me draw an analogy to how the press or Congress might have handled something like this if the same shoe had been on the Clinton foot. If, after the terrorist attack on the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, it had been revealed that President Bill Clinton and his family had financial dealings with Timothy McVeigh's family, what do you think your Republican party and the media would have done with that one?
Do you think at least a couple of questions might have been asked, such as, "What is that all about?" Be honest, you know the answer. They would have asked more than a couple of questions. They would have skinned Clinton alive and thrown what was left of his carcass in Guantanamo Bay.
2. What is the 'special relationship' between the Bushes and the Saudi royal family?
Mr Bush, the Bin Ladens are not the only Saudis with whom you and your family have a close personal relationship. The entire royal family seems to be indebted to you - or is it the other way round?
The number one supplier of oil to the US is the nation of Saudi Arabia, possessor of the largest known reserves of oil in the world. When Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990, it was really the Saudis next door who felt threatened, and it was your father, George Bush I, who came to their rescue. The Saudis have never forgotten this. Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US, says that your mother and father "are like my mother and father. I know if ever I needed anything I could go to them".
A major chunk of the American economy is built on Saudi money. They have a trillion dollars invested in our stock market and another trillion dollars in our banks. If they chose suddenly to remove that money, our corporations and financial institutions would be sent into a tailspin, causing an economic crisis the likes of which has never been seen. Couple that with the fact that the 1.5m barrels of oil we need daily from the Saudis could also vanish on a mere royal whim, and we begin to see how not only you, but all of us, are dependent on the House of Saud. George, is this good for our national security, our homeland security? Who is it good for? You? Pops?
After meeting with the Saudi crown prince in April 2002, you happily told us that the two of you had "established a strong personal bond" and that you "spent a lot of time alone". Were you trying to reassure us? Or just flaunt your friendship with a group of rulers who rival the Taliban in their suppression of human rights? Why the double standard?
3. Who attacked the US on September 11 - a guy on dialysis from a cave in Afghanistan, or your friend, Saudi Arabia?
I'm sorry, Mr Bush, but something doesn't make sense.
You got us all repeating by rote that it was Osama bin Laden who was responsible for the attack on the United States on September 11. Even I was doing it. But then I started hearing strange stories about Osama's kidneys. Suddenly, I don't know who or what to trust. How could a guy sitting in a cave in Afghanistan, hooked up to dialysis, have directed and overseen the actions of 19 terrorists for two years in the US then plotted so perfectly the hijacking of four planes and then guaranteed that three of them would end up precisely on their targets? How did he organize, communicate, control and supervise this kind of massive attack? With two cans and a string?
The headlines blared it the first day and they blare it the same way now two years later: "Terrorists Attack United States." Terrorists. I have wondered about this word for some time, so, George, let me ask you a question: if 15 of the 19 hijackers had been North Korean, rather than Saudi, and they had killed 3,000 people, do you think the headline the next day might have read, "NORTH KOREA ATTACKS UNITED STATES"? Of course it would. Or if it had been 15 Iranians or 15 Libyans or 15 Cubans, I think the conventional wisdom would have been, "IRAN ATTACKS AMERICA!" Yet, when it comes to September 11, have you ever seen the headline, have you ever heard a newscaster, has one of your appointees ever uttered these words: "Saudi Arabia attacked the United States"?
Of course you haven't. And so the question must - must - be asked: why not? Why, when Congress released its own investigation into September 11, did you, Mr Bush, censor out 28 pages that deal with the Saudis' role in the attack?
I would like to throw out a possibility here: what if September 11 was not a "terrorist" attack but, rather, a military attack against the United States? George, apparently you were a pilot once - how hard is it to hit a five-story building at more than 500 miles an hour? The Pentagon is only five stories high. At 500 miles an hour, had the pilots been off by just a hair, they'd have been in the river. You do not get this skilled at learning how to fly jumbo jets by being taught on a video game machine at some dipshit flight training school in Arizona. You learn to do this in the air force. Someone's air force.
The Saudi air force?
What if these weren't wacko terrorists, but military pilots who signed on to a suicide mission? What if they were doing this at the behest of either the Saudi government or certain disgruntled members of the Saudi royal family? The House of Saud, according to Robert Baer's book Sleeping With the Devil, is full of them. So, did certain factions within the Saudi royal family execute the attack on September 11? Were these pilots trained by the Saudis? Why are you so busy protecting the Saudis when you should be protecting us?
4. Why did you allow a private Saudi jet to fly around the US in the days after September 11 and pick up members of the Bin Laden family and fly them out of the country without a proper investigation by the FBI?
Private jets, under the supervision of the Saudi government - and with your approval - were allowed to fly around the skies of America, when traveling by air was forbidden, and pick up 24 members of the Bin Laden family and take them first to a "secret assembly point in Texas". They then flew to Washington DC, and then on to Boston. Finally, on September 18, they were all flown to Paris, out of the reach of any US officials. They never went through any serious interrogation. This is mind-boggling. Might it have been possible that at least one of the 24 Bin Ladens would have possibly known something?
While thousands were stranded and could not fly, if you could prove you were a close relative of the biggest mass murderer in US history, you got a free trip to gay Paree!
_____________________________
It is of incalculable value for you to ponder the full impact of this, and that means all of it
I'm right about what scares the living hell outta you IJC
I really am
Hiperballls
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Well Osama/Usama got contacts, with CIA from the 80s fighting soviets, thats for sure. Also His rich daddy and friends in Saudi Arabia(which are very interested in fucking up all other countries around them, to keep oil price and therefore their economy up) without a doubt gave him money, gave money to chechens, iraqi insurgents,to some extent taliban...Then there is pakistan who flirts, with both sides, on one hand they are fighting taliban who are taking refuge there,on other hand FUCKIN Osama Bin Laden lives for years few blocks down one of their military academies. Then again can't be for sure if Osama wasn't already killed in Tora-Bora campaign or right after 9/11 by Talibs and mullah Omar,who had enough of his shit and just wanted to whip ladies in piece...or something else happened,maybe this,why not right,what difference does it makes now?! would war in afghanistan would be stopped and iraq not started if we would officaly kill osama in 2002? no. Butt well Osama is dead now,Russia is getting back on it's feet and terrorists and fundamental-wahabi-islamists isn't just a word anymore(islamic state most notably) so US have lot of work on it's hands!(atleast profitable for military industry)
And about 9/11, Again shady pakistani inteligence involvment, terorrist pilots, who can't fly cesnas properly, locate their targets and doing difficult maneuvers(pentagon case), with boeings hit them perfect..well maybe just luck. But it is hard to call it just luck or coincidence, that Larry Silverstein(at the time new owner of WTC buildings) few weeks before 9/11, insured WTCs against terrorist attacks and had appointment at doctor at that morning, that guy is pure scum. Also what's interesting about him ,he didn't get all money,because( i might be wrong) he gave order to blow up/stop trying to save wtc 7. Most other things are already said in this thread.
some short videos i advice to watch on topic,no long documentaries or shit.
interview with Richard A.Clarke about 9/11; first counter-terorism director under Clintons adminstration,when Bush came to power his warnings about al-quaeda,was completely ignored.
[YOUTUBE]bl6w1YaZdf8[/YOUTUBE]
Secretary Mineta and Cheney on 9/11
[YOUTUBE]mGI5BmNd7AE[/YOUTUBE]
Larry Silverstein
[YOUTUBE]p34XrI2Fm6I[/YOUTUBE]
On soviet/russian foreign inteligence long-term policy and strategy,doesn't sound familiar and well timed, with Russias rising again? Maybe not as connected to 9/11, but it definetly helped Russia too, also have to note, that before 9/11, Russian FSB(most likely) blowed up two appartement buildings to kick off 2nd war in chehcnya, by direct orders of Putin, who had imense ties in inteligence community.Anyway this guy is worth listening to.(dont take to heart title of the video,if there are some feminists here,that is not at all main thing he talks about)
[YOUTUBE]vLqHv0xgOlc[/YOUTUBE]
also this
[YOUTUBE]pyEJ6Aja-UQ[/YOUTUBE]
And about 9/11, Again shady pakistani inteligence involvment, terorrist pilots, who can't fly cesnas properly, locate their targets and doing difficult maneuvers(pentagon case), with boeings hit them perfect..well maybe just luck. But it is hard to call it just luck or coincidence, that Larry Silverstein(at the time new owner of WTC buildings) few weeks before 9/11, insured WTCs against terrorist attacks and had appointment at doctor at that morning, that guy is pure scum. Also what's interesting about him ,he didn't get all money,because( i might be wrong) he gave order to blow up/stop trying to save wtc 7. Most other things are already said in this thread.
some short videos i advice to watch on topic,no long documentaries or shit.
interview with Richard A.Clarke about 9/11; first counter-terorism director under Clintons adminstration,when Bush came to power his warnings about al-quaeda,was completely ignored.
[YOUTUBE]bl6w1YaZdf8[/YOUTUBE]
Secretary Mineta and Cheney on 9/11
[YOUTUBE]mGI5BmNd7AE[/YOUTUBE]
Larry Silverstein
[YOUTUBE]p34XrI2Fm6I[/YOUTUBE]
On soviet/russian foreign inteligence long-term policy and strategy,doesn't sound familiar and well timed, with Russias rising again? Maybe not as connected to 9/11, but it definetly helped Russia too, also have to note, that before 9/11, Russian FSB(most likely) blowed up two appartement buildings to kick off 2nd war in chehcnya, by direct orders of Putin, who had imense ties in inteligence community.Anyway this guy is worth listening to.(dont take to heart title of the video,if there are some feminists here,that is not at all main thing he talks about)
[YOUTUBE]vLqHv0xgOlc[/YOUTUBE]
also this
[YOUTUBE]pyEJ6Aja-UQ[/YOUTUBE]
