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[Guest]

This thread itself doesn't even belong in this forum, from what I can see. =|

 

[spice]

I agree, should I move it?

 

[Guest]

I agree, should I move it?

Well, that's your decision, really.

But, I personally don't think it should remain here. :wink:

 

[SEDIT]

I agree also but where should it go? I would have gladly expressed my opinions in the threed in question but that option wasnt a factor so in order to get my point of view to where it needed to be this threed had to be made.

Synthetics would seem the best place for this discussion one would think. Are you willing to pick it up there spice and all who have involved them selfs?


I would really like to respond to your post because it seems to have some insites that are a little bit off key.
Such as constant use factor you seem to associate with meth and not other substances such as MDMA. There was a point in time when MDMA was perfectly legal and because of every ones response to it they had no chioce but to ban it over night because the abuse it was seeing was over whelming.
If MDMA was as simple to synthesis as MA then I feel you would think differntly about it because the psychotic junkies would be ten fold worse then MA addicts because MDMA ruins your brain that much faster then MA and one would see the true nature of what excessive use of any substance does to ones mind.

 

[Guest]

I agree also but where should it go?

Lounge, perhaps? It's not really about Extraction or Research, to be honest.

 

[SEDIT]

I dunno I dont frequent many other areas of this site but it seems that there is a section for the discussion of synthetics that at first glanc would seem like the place to be.

 

[Guest]

section for the discussion of synthetics

This is a discussion on the Psychonaut.com moderator policy.

 

[viljo]

Guys I got to excited at posting, I agree my question were to generalized,
and I tend not to take things to serious but I'm new to this forum.

If you want a place that just discuss phychonaut drugs, I'm cool with that.

Even though I have received emails saying this and that I'm happy for everyone to have there own opion and I'm not going to fight against you's

It's so much simpler for me to post very specific questions that fit your guidelines.
Keep my attatuide professional,
I apolagize to sticky or anyone else on this forum that I have offended, I hope in time we can get along.

If you have anything to add to me personally, don't forget private messages.

 

[SEDIT]

"This is a discussion on the Psychonaut.com moderator policy."
Yes and if it must be moved then so be it no harm no foul it has served its reasons.

Synthetics - User related
All your questions and experiences with chemicals such as XTC, MDMA, DXM, LSD, GHB, Cocaine, Amphetamine, ketamine and others...

^ This seems more reasonable of a place for the discussion of the dangers of MDMA vs MA or what ever anyone wants to turn this into.

@Viljo

Understandable you got excited and not many other places care WTF you post, hell some places you can discuss how to get the red phosphous out of your TV(Yes I have seen it.)

But try to keep a scientific tone and shit should be all good bro... Like I said before Im really not steping up to bat for your threed because if there was a question in there you hide it well but Iv already stated my reasons elseware why it shouldnt have vanished the way that it did

Nice to have you around bro good seeing you here.
peace
~Sedit

 

[Sticki]

Guys I got to excited at posting, I agree my question were to generalized,
and I tend not to take things to serious but I'm new to this forum.

If you want a place that just discuss phychonaut drugs, I'm cool with that.

Even though I have received emails saying this and that I'm happy for everyone to have there own opion and I'm not going to fight against you's

It's so much simpler for me to post very specific questions that fit your guidelines.
Keep my attatuide professional,
I apolagize to sticky or anyone else on this forum that I have offended, I hope in time we can get along.

If you have anything to add to me personally, don't forget private messages.

Thank you for your apology Viljo

In reality this forum is a really interesting place and I and a few others just dont wanna see it being taken to a point we get a bad name, People start talking bad about us saying we are helping people make drugs, the site becomes super unsafe and finally shut down

When really most of us have extreme amounts of knowledge from first hand experiences with a group of situations and substances. Also I feel as tho I am a "Protector of People" I feel it my duty to help others find an understanding of real dangers in certain substances and situations, For instance - Dependency drugs. I know you probably know alot already about them but as a true psychonaut I see these drugs as a threat to peace and happiness, trust, life goals, friendships, familys, users and thier lives in general. Granted people are different and not every one has the addictive property of most but at the same time, If you have it, your mate finds out about it, He may want some... His properties as a person may be different, He may become addicted, Push onto others, Steal from his mother, brother, sister, friends, Become violent for no reason and once the psychosis has set in you probably wouldnt even know this person any more...

Im glad you can see where we are comming from mate and I hope you spend alot of time here at psychonaut, learning and developing

 

[steelynutz]

"Dependency drugs. I know you probably know alot already about them but as a true psychonaut I see these drugs as a threat to peace and happiness, trust, life goals, friendships, familys, users and thier lives in general. Granted people are different and not every one has the addictive property of most but at the same time, If you have it, your mate finds out about it, He may want some... His properties as a person may be different, He may become addicted, Push onto others, Steal from his mother, brother, sister, friends, Become violent for no reason and once the psychosis has set in you probably wouldnt even know this person any more... "

For god sake!!!

Dont you all understand that by this boundry defining and ultra simplistic view,that you are subscribing to the exact same ethos that has been the foundation upon which those elected have decided that your drug is more harmful to society then say a taxable camodity????

Seeeing as we are all sighting personel experience,Ive Cooked,Sold for profit and consumed copius amounts of mdma,ma,majijuana,heroin,Meth,And amphetamine and a few side comppounds.
I hate both of these amphetaminens,they cause misery to my already dark sided brain,yet I love and am addicted to alcohol opiates,and benzo`s,and am more than likely to die from tobbacco!?
Ive had 2 family members die from one of the above but do you see me condemning either?No.Why?
The same fucking reason that you narowsighted individuals want to oppose when an attack on your lame as fuck drug comes under scrutiny from the powers that be.

Show me one study that has sighted mdox as being harmless.
Then show me one scientific study that defines or deems any amphetamine to be addictive in nature in the tru scence.


More mofos died in my country over the last 3 years from your drug than mine(not even mine realy but I defend it in the name of chemistry).

And what the hell desccribes a Psychonaut anyway????
More mushiees please?Some more datura or phalaris please?
Yeah real,mind expanding gear that is as a 15 year old these substances bored me....Go on I dare you to accuse me of being incapable of appreciation.
Come sit in a room with me pre` or post consumation of any of these so called mind expanding compounds whilst Im charging of any stimulant and lets debate the meaning of life.
I know who will be leaving in Awe!!!
Coin the term psychadelic and then think about its definition.Ive likely consumed more pure mda/mdama than 95% of you all here and compare to some of your oh so acceptable to talk about deleriants I would never concider e a psychadelic.

Sit comfortable in your little bubble of ignorance, arrogance or niavety for one day you ivory tower will for sure come tumblen` down.
Think about that you pompus wanker!

And if you respond with your usual lame ass rhetoric, then we shall have to openly discuss the whole definition of hippocrite.What it means to be you.What you actual represent.How power corrupts in an instant.
Psychology of drug use(which none of you seem to grasp,instead preferring to blame a substance sighting inferred pharmacological data{which dont exist or is flawed at best}))

Either that or ban me.Nothing here besides the thiorea demethylation is unique.Most of what is preached is slightly erroneous at best.And seeing as most if seems to come from your little demigod anyway who the fuck needs it?

Yeah Im stooping because that is the standard set.
Refer to the first mention of locked threads in the "LITHIUM" thread.
Funny how it comes as soon as someone post counter opinion.
You make Osmium look like a Nun.

 

[GOD]

I missed the whole thing so i cant realy say anything exept that i`m against locking threads . We are a comunity and if some one has something to say we can reply to it and let our opinions be known , we can also ignore people or threads .

There is a limit for me whan things just get abusive and go round and round in circles , but then the moderator and / or other people can say "Stop argueing" and try to lead the discussion in another direction .

 

[steelynutz]

That has to be the most sensible thing said so far.
Nice one.;0

And yeah I am drunk.Ill use punctuation/spellcheck in the morning.So if this is your best comeback dont bother

 

[Sticki]

"Dependency drugs. I know you probably know alot already about them but as a true psychonaut I see these drugs as a threat to peace and happiness, trust, life goals, friendships, familys, users and thier lives in general. Granted people are different and not every one has the addictive property of most but at the same time, If you have it, your mate finds out about it, He may want some... His properties as a person may be different, He may become addicted, Push onto others, Steal from his mother, brother, sister, friends, Become violent for no reason and once the psychosis has set in you probably wouldnt even know this person any more... "

For god sake!!!

Dont you all understand that by this boundry defining and ultra simplistic view,that you are subscribing to the exact same ethos that has been the foundation upon which those elected have decided that your drug is more harmful to society then say a taxable camodity????

Seeeing as we are all sighting personel experience,Ive Cooked,Sold for profit and consumed copius amounts of mdma,ma,majijuana,heroin,Meth,And amphetamine and a few side comppounds.
I hate both of these amphetaminens,they cause misery to my already dark sided brain,yet I love and am addicted to alcohol opiates,and benzo`s,and am more than likely to die from tobbacco!?
Ive had 2 family members die from one of the above but do you see me condemning either?No.Why?
The same fucking reason that you narowsighted individuals want to oppose when an attack on your lame as fuck drug comes under scrutiny from the powers that be.

Show me one study that has sighted mdox as being harmless.
Then show me one scientific study that defines or deems any amphetamine to be addictive in nature in the tru scence.


More mofos died in my country over the last 3 years from your drug than mine(not even mine realy but I defend it in the name of chemistry).

And what the hell desccribes a Psychonaut anyway????
More mushiees please?Some more datura or phalaris please?
Yeah real,mind expanding gear that is as a 15 year old these substances bored me....Go on I dare you to accuse me of being incapable of appreciation.
Come sit in a room with me pre` or post consumation of any of these so called mind expanding compounds whilst Im charging of any stimulant and lets debate the meaning of life.
I know who will be leaving in Awe!!!
Coin the term psychadelic and then think about its definition.Ive likely consumed more pure mda/mdama than 95% of you all here and compare to some of your oh so acceptable to talk about deleriants I would never concider e a psychadelic.

Sit comfortable in your little bubble of ignorance, arrogance or niavety for one day you ivory tower will for sure come tumblen` down.
Think about that you pompus wanker!

And if you respond with your usual lame ass rhetoric, then we shall have to openly discuss the whole definition of hippocrite.What it means to be you.What you actual represent.How power corrupts in an instant.
Psychology of drug use(which none of you seem to grasp,instead preferring to blame a substance sighting inferred pharmacological data{which dont exist or is flawed at best}))

Either that or ban me.Nothing here besides the thiorea demethylation is unique.Most of what is preached is slightly erroneous at best.And seeing as most if seems to come from your little demigod anyway who the fuck needs it?

Yeah Im stooping because that is the standard set.
Refer to the first mention of locked threads in the "LITHIUM" thread.
Funny how it comes as soon as someone post counter opinion.
You make Osmium look like a Nun.

I would like to remind you that you are an individual with free will, You are free to do as you please.

However I am talking about the best interests and safety for our community, Becuase the web isnt free and people do govern it.

Also I do not wish to argue and what I said is true, I know from personal experiences. I also pointed out, People act differently to addiction and its effects. I have no more input really on the subject, Im just looking out for the majority of our community. I personally do not wish to see this forum shut down, Especially becuase of stuff irrelevant to Psychonauts.

People have thier own views, Im tolarant of peoples views as long as they dont interfere with my life.

 

[steelynutz]

How very diplomatic of you.

Ive not noticed you dont seem to post much in this forum.Admittantly I havent read much ,but by simply saying that what you say is true am I meant to stick my tail between?

Is it the actual word "METHAMPHETAMINE" or what that scares you.
I mean,mdma synthesis is of course quite legal,moral and acceptable to discuss in most modern societies right?

"I would like to remind you that you are an individual with free will, You are free to do as you please"

AS I would love to remind you that you have your ultra mind expanding drugs to fall back when the real world gets o` 2 much for you and as such , why not pop a couple,sit back,hug your sister and then decide on what the hell you are trying to tell me.

 

[steelynutz]

Sorry once again.I just re-read your replyl,and realise now you didnt deserve such scathing response.

This is not a meth induced lack of reaction capacity.Im sure though lack of recreational drug use is taking its toll on my psyche./

Think about it though,your whole impulse reaction to take the best intentions of the whole community into account and thus deem what is acceptable...Now realy think about it\... who do you remind yourself of????/

Im sure those law makers in your white house alsio have such purity of thought.

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Sticki]

Ha Ha :?

Steelynutz you too are a new member here and look at the up roar you cause, I only wish for this forum to remain active so we can discuss psychedelics.

You have already pointed out that at 15 things like Datura bored you....

NOW... I have to say you are either talking absolute bullshit or you are so fucked up you dont know which way is up???

Now please do yourself a favour, Stop making yourself look like a dick head.

 

[steelynutz]

To this forum I my well be new(not raly I registered here years ago under a diff`name but found it lacking).
To the scene I`ve been around as long as Your guru at least.

Now is that the only sentence you can describe me making a dickhead out of myself or do you have no plausible response?

 

[im1badpup]

"Nothing here besides the thiorea demethylation is unique"
not true, the people here and their collective way of thinking is unique.
im not against MA or amphetamine, but the reality of its prolonged use and effects on people and their families is saddening. too many people asking MA want a easy recipe n make a fast buck, and have no real psychonaut spiritualness, or love of chemistry.
i personally like the way this forum is leaned towards psychedelics for one, i would much rather explore my mind and emotions on lsd, mdma etc than lose it on MA.
thats just my opinion.

 

[steelynutz]

Not true, the people here and their collective way of thinking is unique.

Not True my friend, the formula is tried,true and tested.Began not long after the inception of this global ethernet.Nonetheless I do appreciate your respect of which "WE" hold sacred.My argument is against those who choose to deam and segregate themselves, being more worthy and/or superior because of the drug they choose to ingest or synth.


Besides that dont believe the hype!



"You have already pointed out that at 15 things like Datura bored you....

NOW... I have to say you are either talking absolute bullshit or you are so fucked up you dont know which way is up??? "


NOW... how old are you and you you still ingest this shit or what?
Dont make me pull my psych degree out of my ass.
Answer with truth.