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The words dissociation and dissociative are defined as follows on Wikipedia:
There has been some discussion about the uses and dangers of Datura, Amanita muscaria and Ketamine in particular. Brugmansia and Ahuaeynjxs have touched upon the matter in other threads. It was suggested yesterday that a new thread be opened to discuss the issue again.
I'm curious about your experiences and insights. I haven't done ketamine myself, only Datura and NO a few times. I've read many reports of people hurting themselves physically on Datura, and I could have easily hurt myself as well if it hadn't been for my (equally intoxicated) friend helping me. As far as ketamine is concerned, at least two people have died in an isolation tank or bath tub while under the influence. But just because there are risks involved, doesn't mean there aren't also ways to responsibly employ certain states of mind. Also: there maybe something to say for sticking to organic dissociatives/entheogens and avoiding certain (or all?) synthetics.
What are your thoughts on the 'lucid dreams' that are generated by these compounds?
What are some of the possible short-term and long-term side-effects to be expected from prolonged usage?
Feel free to take the discussion in any direction you want, as long as it's related to the effects of Solanaceas or Amanita muscaria.
Dissociation is an unexpected partial or complete disruption of the normal integration of a person’s conscious or psychological functioning that cannot be easily explained by the person. Dissociation is a mental process that severs a connection to a person's thoughts, memories, feelings, actions, or sense of identity.
A dissociative is a drug which reduces (or blocks) signals to the conscious mind from other parts of the brain, typically, but not necessarily, limited to the senses. Such a state of sensory deprivation and dissociation can facilitate self-exploration, hallucinations, and dreamlike states of mind which may resemble some psychedelic mindstates. Essentially, similar states of mind can be reached via contrasting paths—psychedelic or dissociative. That said, the entire experience's risks and benefits are markedly different.
The primary dissociatives are similar in action to phencyclidine (PCP), and include ketamine and dextromethorphan (DXM). Also included are nitrous oxide (laughing gas), salvia divinorum, and muscimol from the amanita muscaria (fly agaric) mushroom.
Many dissociatives also have central nervous system depressant effects, thereby carrying similar risks with opioids that slow breathing and lower the heart rate to levels which can result in death, when used in very high doses.
Their effects are characterized by intense feelings of depersonalization, derealization, and analgesia.
There has been some discussion about the uses and dangers of Datura, Amanita muscaria and Ketamine in particular. Brugmansia and Ahuaeynjxs have touched upon the matter in other threads. It was suggested yesterday that a new thread be opened to discuss the issue again.
I'm curious about your experiences and insights. I haven't done ketamine myself, only Datura and NO a few times. I've read many reports of people hurting themselves physically on Datura, and I could have easily hurt myself as well if it hadn't been for my (equally intoxicated) friend helping me. As far as ketamine is concerned, at least two people have died in an isolation tank or bath tub while under the influence. But just because there are risks involved, doesn't mean there aren't also ways to responsibly employ certain states of mind. Also: there maybe something to say for sticking to organic dissociatives/entheogens and avoiding certain (or all?) synthetics.
What are your thoughts on the 'lucid dreams' that are generated by these compounds?
What are some of the possible short-term and long-term side-effects to be expected from prolonged usage?
Feel free to take the discussion in any direction you want, as long as it's related to the effects of Solanaceas or Amanita muscaria.