more DMT stuff

[forest]

well, it's quite popular at the forum at the moment isn't it? ^_^
just wanted to post some nice justfound info for people new to dmt and ask weather anyone knows about acasia and weather you can just use the bark of acasia plants growing here in the netherlands?
the info about percentages is from a site where they explain how to extract; http://www.erowid.nl/chemicals/dmt/extr ... ide1.shtml

Alkaloids reported as (mg) per (100g) raw dried plant, and as percent of total plant source weight:
Acacia bark
0.71% NN-DMT
Acacia maidenii bark
0.36% NN-DMT
Acacia simplicifolia bark
0.86% NN-DMT
Mimosa hostilis root (bark)
0.57% NN-DMT
Virola shoots & flowers
0.44% NN-DMT
Desmanthus illinoensis root (bark)
0.34% NN-DMT
Pilocarpus organensis
1.06% 5-MeO-DMT
Phalaris tuberosa
0.10% NN-DMT
0.022% 5-MeO-DMT
0.005% 5-OH-DMT
Phalaris arundinacea ('net gossip)
0.060% NN-DMT
?? 5-MeO-DMT
Psychotria species (averaged, from Jonathan Ott)
0.200% NN-DMT


N,N-DMT DMT (N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is one of the most hallucinogenic compounds known. DMT is not active orally (unless in the form of an ayahuasca brew), but must be smoked in it's freebase form to experience its effects. (DMT can be taken orally when mixed with a MAOIs, but this is not recommended for the first time user.) The body quickly builds a tolerance for the drug. Your DMT dose must be taken within 60 seconds. Any more of the drug after this first minute will not enhance the experience. It is recommended to give at least one hour before attempting another DMT trip.
5-MeO-DMT Effects of 5-MeO-DMT are psychedelic without the visual distortions found in NN-DMT. 5-MeO-DMT is taken at 1/4 the dose of NN-DMT and will overpower the NN-DMT.
5-OH-DMT (Bufotenine) can cause severe physical discomfort including circulatory distress, nausea, psychological distress (panic and fear), severe skin flushing, and has the possibility of being fatal.
MAOI (Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors) will intensify and prolong the effects of NN-DMT, however this is never recommended. Foolish combinations of MAOIs and other drugs can lead to serious health problems and even death. The tryptamines are normally metabolized by an MAO in the body. MAO metabolizes serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine. By inhibiting this, MAOIs increase levels of those neurotransmitters. Tyramine will not be metabolized and will cause an increase in tyramine levels in the blood.

 

[forest]

and does anyone know where to buy Pilocarpus organensis for a good price?

 

[HeartCore]

Forest,

Nice information!

Some of it is outdated however.

For example: Mimosa hostilis root (bark) 0.57% NN-DMT

I extracted 750 grams if mimosa and had a return of about 0.90%. In two weeks, I expect to receive a kilo of a Mexican mimosa variety which I'm told has up to 1.8% of DMT.

Edit: Outdated is the wrong word. It seems that most people who extract, get a return of about 0.57%. Just commenting that Mmosa can be much more potent .

 

[forest]

but would i be able to extract the dmt from the mimosa the way maoak did with Desmanthus illinoensis?
(water, vinegar, boiling, eveporate water and scrape darkish stuff of the bottom of the pan/whatever)

do you think i will have an allright result? because i'm still learning chemistry and not yet good at it.

 

[HeartCore]

but would i be able to extract the dmt from the mimosa the way maoak did with Desmanthus illinoensis?
(water, vinegar, boiling, eveporate water and scrape darkish stuff of the bottom of the pan/whatever)

do you think i will have an allright result? because i'm still learning chemistry and not yet good at it.

I dont see why it shouldnt work. Its just a much dirtier endresult if you skip the basidification and naptha wash.

But really, if you are going to do his tek, why not add a few simple extra steps to it that will guarantee you a clean endproduct? Like this:

- After boiling, slowly boil your water/vinegar down to about 400ml (this implies you dont expect more than 4 grams dmt)
- Add lye (gootsteenontstopper) to 100ml of hot water, slowly, untill its saturated (no more lye is dissolving in the water).
- Slowly add this to your water/vinegar mix which should turn black now
- Depending on how much DMT you expect, add naptha to your soltion (100ml water holds roughly 1 gram DMT).
-Shake this solution (I just pour from one container in another and back for about 30 times.
- let sit for an hour or so, then using a syringe, turkeybaster, suck up the top naptha layer.
- repeat this naptha wash two times, the third one, should be clear and not cloudy. If it isnt, repeat this step untill it is.
- Pour the naptha in a pyrex dish
- put in freezer for a day or two (intensly satisfying to notice DMT building up in your dish )
- pour of naptha
- let rest of naptha evap
- scrape off goodies

Hmm looking back it LOOKS more than simple steps but really, its not hard to do.

 

[forest]

thanks a lot, i will definately try this within short time!

only a two things, what are; pyrex dish and turkeybaster? (misschien in t nederlands dat k t wel begrijp)

en de naptha gaat dus bovendrijven en met een spuit eraf halen een paar x, tot er alleen een ''schone'' laag naptha over blijft?

very very very excited for the experiment, and it's sooooo interesting ^_^

 

[forest]

and 'the top naptha layers wich i take away, isn't there allso dmt in that will be lost?

in the process, where do i filter the grounded mimosa out of the liquid, after the boiling and before the boiling down to 400 ml? and with what do i filter it, so that not a lot of dmt will be stuck in the filtered mimosa and the filter?

(en puur om te weten dat k t goed begrijp als k de overgebleven schonere naptha in de dish in de vriezer zet, gaat de dmt aan de wand van de dish kleven en dan giet k de naptha na 2 dagen weg, blijft dmt aan de wand en laat k de rest van de naptha verdampen. en dan ooogsten!

 

[Guest]

Hmm looking back it LOOKS more than simple steps but really, its not hard to do.

Yeah to me it looks easier and easier everytime I read it
Ofcourse this log is also really handy :thumbsup:

I will deffinately try it, but I still have to get a crockpot and some other handy stuff...

You used to have this soft rubber thing with a tube atached to it, they use it in foto shops (or so I thought) that way you could also suck up the naptha

It also would be nice to have my own kitchen...

 

[HeartCore]

Aaah my log..

I'll add a few pictures of the naptha wash tonight

 

[forest]

yeah i read your log a few times, but didn't understand how first you had this dark liquid and after the shot of the naptha adding you only have nive clean liquid wich you put in the freezer.

and although my english knowledge isn't that bad with teks and logs of how to do stuff i allways have more questions when written in english than if they're written in dutch

 

[HeartCore]

yeah i read your log a few times, but didn't understand how first you had this dark liquid and after the shot of the naptha adding you only have nive clean liquid wich you put in the freezer.

and although my english knowledge isn't that bad with teks and logs of how to do stuff i allways have more questions when written in english than if they're written in dutch

My fault, I failed to include pictures of the naptha wash steps in my log. I will add them tonight. THat should make the entire thing more clear I think.

 

[HeartCore]

Here it is:

http://heartcore.phpnet.us/index.php?op ... 4&Itemid=2

edit: if anything is not clear, just ask.

Should I make a dutch version?

 

[forest]

thnx!^_^

yeah, it's way more understandable this way.

still when reading it i have loads of tiny questions, wich maybe will resolf when i will come to the action part.

1 question;
you typed; Normal pan should work, just make sure it never starts to really boil

why shouldn't you let it boil?
when making aya you should let it boil, right?

 

[HeartCore]

thnx!^_^

yeah, it's way more understandable this way.

still when reading it i have loads of tiny questions, wich maybe will resolf when i will come to the action part.

1 question;
you typed; Normal pan should work, just make sure it never starts to really boil

why shouldn't you let it boil?
when making aya you should let it boil, right?

I never made aya the traditional way, only with mimosa. With mimosa, you can use hot water to make a tea and you dont need to boil it. To be honest, I dont know if excessive boiling will hurt the yield but I read a number of times that it does so thats why I'm careful.

 

[DevXavier]

HeartCore, great tek on your website.

What would be the cheapest source for the mimosa? How do you powder it that finely?

 

[HeartCore]

HeartCore, great tek on your website.

What would be the cheapest source for the mimosa? How do you powder it that finely?

Thanks

My prefered source is maya-ethnobotanicals.com , I really look forward to try their mexican rootbark which supposedly contains up to 1.8%.

Azarius is also good as a source although a little more expensive. I've always had good bark from them anyway.

 

[DevXavier]

70 euro for 100 grams is quite expensive huh.

 

[Brewmaster]

I've got a question. Where do you buy natrium hydroxide and naptha? Also at the end, I get a little confused. After it comes out of the freezer, the naptha will still be a liquid and this is poured out into another container, then the crystals will be left behind in the dish that was in the freezer? Do I have this right? And you said that you could get 2 grams of crystal from 250g root bark. Is that about the average? That's incredible.

Nice job on the tek btw. You could have been a hand model.

 

[izmar]

I don't think it's a good idea to discuss DMT extraction in such detail on this forum, since extracting DMT is a serious offense in a lot of countries.

 

[HeartCore]

I don't think it's a good idea to discuss DMT extraction in such detail on this forum, since extracting DMT is a serious offense in a lot of countries.

Yes and thats wrong. I have no problem publishing (not my but) the tek. I know the risk I take but I know its for a good cause. In other words, I am right, they are wrong.

Everyone here, has also a choice.

Dont tell me what I can and cant do. Its essential for the sake of the planet, that this information gets as widely available as possible, is my personal opinion.

Lucky for me, this site exists and give me permission to do so.

I've got a question. Where do you buy natrium hydroxide and naptha? Also at the end, I get a little confused. After it comes out of the freezer, the naptha will still be a liquid and this is poured out into another container, then the crystals will be left behind in the dish that was in the freezer? Do I have this right? And you said that you could get 2 grams of crystal from 250g root bark. Is that about the average? That's incredible.

Nice job on the tek btw. You could have been a hand model

Thanks for the compliment, I really appreciate that

Natrium Hydroxide - those bottles of powder that cleans your sink, its says 99% natrium hydroxide.

Naptha - Zippo lighter fluid is perfect for this and readily available in most tobacco shops.

Edit: Yes the naptha stays liquid. I will clarify this in the tek later. The dmt sticks to the dish. About 2.2 grams yield from 250 grams bark is correct also but depending on your source.

Little explanation:

Warm natpha can hold DMT
Cold naptha cannot holdf DMT

You heat the naptha and mix with extract, the naptha will take the DMT with it. Then in the freezer, the DMT will get out of the naptha in your dish.