Mimosa Hostilis

[alphasnail]

How would one go about preparing tea with mimosa hostilis? Could some one be kind enough to supply a good method of preparation?

thanks!

 

[Ultima]

its very simple. get a non aluminum pot, add MHRB, add water, and a bit of vinegar to raise Ph. simmer for 3 hours, strain out MHRB, and use same plant material for another 2 washes. add all the end products together (no plant material), and drink it down with taking an maoi 20 min before hand.

 

[Forkbender]

^yes, but vinegar lowers ph.

 

[skoeip]

^yes, but vinegar lowers ph.

I guess thats what he meant

 

[krnjason]

multiple washes are not ALWAYS necessary, AFOAF boils m. Hostilis with a mixture of 70/30 water/lemon juice ratio for about an hour (+ he ingests p.harmala before) and sends him flying.

I guess multiple washes are good to get EVERYTHING out but one wash will still send you flying.

 

[IJesusChrist]

2 is enough, 3 is 95%+.
4 is waste.
5 is diminishing returns

 

[aryaman]

Instead of vinegar I'd use muriatic acid, and the PH should be around 4 =)

 

[Meduzz]

Instead of vinegar I'd use muriatic acid, and the PH should be around 4 =)

For extraction maybe, not for tea.

I think a low pH isn't really necessary as most alkaloids have pKa's way over 7 and are already water soluble at that pH. Right?

 

[Ultima]

the shamens dont use anything for ph, they just boil there brew. but after SWIM made pure dmt after using vinegar, he noticed HUGE results, much better then lemon juice(which didnt really work anyway).

i dont mind drinking a couple shots with evaporated vinegar. you can still taste it, but its potent.

 

[Ultima]

the shamens dont use anything for ph, they just boil there brew. but after SWIM made pure dmt after using vinegar, he noticed HUGE results, much better then lemon juice(which didnt really work anyway).

i dont mind drinking a couple shots with evaporated vinegar. you can still taste it, but its potent.

 

[alphasnail]

if SWIM were to do a naptha and lye, w/ warm water bath and sep. funnel extraction method. With the intent for oral use w/ syrian rue, what extra steps could SWIM take to assure purest resiults to avoid ingesting and lye/naptha?

Maybe SWIM coud do freeze percipiate. and leave to dry off any remaining naptha. would that help?

what would the dosages be when ingesting extracted DMT with syrian rue?

 

[cockknocker]

I think 3g rue, but am not sure with extracted dmt. When I did ayahuasca, i just eyeballed a dose of rue, which a mate said would be ok. Ate that and drank mimosa tea over the course of the night. I redosed mimosa but not rue.

 

[Guest]

How this kind of preparation compares to Ayahuasca ?

I understood it's the same principle, MAOI makes the DMT orally active, but I suppose there's something else ?

 

[cockknocker]

You mean for aya? Its just the dmt and MAO-I. You only need the MAO-I if youre taking DMT orally, but other routes I don't think you need it.

 

[aryaman]

Instead of vinegar I'd use muriatic acid, and the PH should be around 4 =)

For extraction maybe, not for tea.

I think a low pH isn't really necessary as most alkaloids have pKa's way over 7 and are already water soluble at that pH. Right?

for tea too, since you add little as you need to reach ph 4. Is an acid also present in the stomach, doesn't give any problems if well diluited.
Isn't necessary, but is enpowering way much

 

[Jahvisions]

The shamans don't use anything yes, but boil for 12 hours.

I think that lemon juice would be a lot more tasty then HCl or vinegar.

 

[afer]

Hmm. A simple question-how added acids are supposed to improve the extraction? From chemical point of view, that is.
Is it that DMT in plants exists in the freebase form, which is poorly soluble in water, and acids present in the solution are needed to convert the freebase into more soluble DMT salt?...at least that's how I see it :roll:

 

[IJesusChrist]

it seems as though you are probably correct - however more and more "TEK's" are skipping the acid part of extraction.

You don't need lemon juice for ayahuasca, and you don't need HCl for DMT

 

[afer]

Quite so. However, it's often omitted that Amazonian water differs drastically from out tap or drinking water. It's soft, acidic, and has some natural acids in it [if taken from the river].
And as far as my experience goes, all the brews made without acid (lemon juice) proved ineffective. I understand that the citric acid is a shit of an acid, but I don't feel like playing with vinegar without pH papers. Futhermore, all distilled water I could obtain read NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION OR MEDICAL USE, which kinda prevented my experiments in the field of strong acids.

I still look forward to trying the Coca-Cola tec though (which employs coke as an acidifier and taste enhancer).

 

[Meduzz]

In the plant DMT is in an equilibrium between freebase and protonated form. Most is protonated under the physiological pH of the cell so a great portion is water soluble. Adding an acid would drive the equilibrium to the water soluble form. The yield would be higher when using an acid.